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Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    yep ended up on the dole myself for a few months in 08/09 having worked on and off during my schooling since I was 15.

    I volunteered, I offered my services unpaid to get experience and I took the very first job that came along even though I had no interest in it and the hours were atrocious. I refused to allow myself to become a ward of the state.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    engiweirdo wrote:
    I have just completed a Mechanical Engineering degree and am actively seeking work in that field. My education was state funded too so burger flipping poses a few questions tbh:
    Do basically you'd prefer to sit on your backside than work at anything outside your preferred profession?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    engiweirdo wrote: »
    You (most likely) will receive an increment/rise next year though and the year after, opportunity for promotion, professional development etc. Your kids see mammy and daddy going to work, instills work ethic .A far higher chance to significantly improve your situation, when the mortgage is payed down you own the asset.

    On the dole you get the €400 a fortnight and associated freebies, but that's it. That's your life.

    Having been on it for an extended period, mostly BTEA while returning to college it is no picnic and having completed my degree and on the dole proper now while desperately job searching, it is an absolutely head melting and soul destroying existence. Anyone who could see this as a realic lifestyle choice must already have some serious issues far beyond laziness to be honest.

    But the unfortunate reality is that some people are happy enough for this to be their lifestyle choice. And while they continue to get bonuses and social welfare increases this will never change. It's so unfair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Do basically you'd prefer to sit on your backside than work at anything outside your preferred profession?

    Nope, I'm self educating in android development/Java programming while jobseeking. Could potentially be a route to self employment. Min wage employment would do absolutely nothing for my situation to be frank.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,496 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I have a job and I'm fed up with dole bashing threads.
    Then don't post in them, simples


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    And working their arses off, yeah right.

    Oh look, someone else failing to understand self managed time.

    Clue - it's something you learn to do when working.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    engiweirdo wrote: »
    Nope, I'm self educating in android development/Java programming while jobseeking. Could potentially be a route to self employment. Min wage employment would do absolutely nothing for my situation to be frank.

    Ashamed for you there btw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    screamer wrote: »
    From 85 to 100 percent. Ah fair play regina, sure why give Job Dodgers any incentive to get out of bed in the morning and do an honest days work for an honest days pay..... Talk about an own goal

    This Xmas bonus will be spent on Xmas pressies, and will flow back into the economy via VAT and also create temporary jobs for students and the unemployed in pop-up Xmas shops and seasonal work.

    I don’t see the problem to be perfectly honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    sick to death of dole threads on here I’m happy the old people and disabled people & vulnerable will be getting it

    being English.. we get a flat rate £10 bonus at Christmas...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    fxotoole wrote:
    This Xmas bonus will be spent on Xmas pressies, and will flow back into the economy via VAT and also create temporary jobs for students and the unemployed in pop-up Xmas shops and seasonal work.
    Well all the junkies will spend it on drugs. All the alcoholics will spend it on booze and all the gambling addicts will spend it in the bookies.
    I don't know what percentage of people on the dole that accounts for but it'd be higher than you'd expect. Then you have the travellers and the Roma gypsies and God knows what they are spending their hard earned dole money on!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    engiweirdo wrote: »
    Nope, I'm self educating in android development/Java programming while jobseeking. Could potentially be a route to self employment. Min wage employment would do absolutely nothing for my situation to be frank.

    You also probably have zero chance of getting a min wage job. I've seen bar staff and waiting jobs asking for 2 years experience etc. Nobody nowadays wants to take on a mature person and train them up. Other posters have said but it is true employers of low wage jobs will take one look at your cv and decide that you are not for them. I recently found a new job after being on the dole for a few months. I was applying left, right and centre for anything that I thought I could do. I'd say I got an acknowledgement of my application about 1 in 10 times and only got to interview stage twice and those were both for jobs in my field.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    Ashamed for you there btw.

    Good for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Oh look, someone else failing to understand self managed time.

    Clue - it's something you learn to do when working.

    Self managed time, you mean doss time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    Self managed time, you mean doss time.

    Sure. Fine. Whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    Oh look, someone else failing to understand self managed time.

    Clue - it's something you learn to do when working.

    Or days off having worked the previous weekend


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,363 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Dakota Dan wrote: »
    Self managed time, you mean doss time.

    The devil finds work for idle minds ! Or so my wise gran would say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Are you on the dole?

    Nah mate I'm in work on boards. It's great


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭atticu


    fxotoole wrote: »
    This Xmas bonus will be spent on Xmas pressies, and will flow back into the economy via VAT and also create temporary jobs for students and the unemployed in pop-up Xmas shops and seasonal work.

    I don’t see the problem to be perfectly honest.


    Could you just remind me where the money comes from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well all the junkies will spend it on drugs. All the alcoholics will spend it on booze and all the gambling addicts will spend it in the bookies.
    I don't know what percentage of people on the dole that accounts for but it'd be higher than you'd expect. Then you have the travellers and the Roma gypsies and God knows what they are spending their hard earned dole money on!

    Junkies pay dealers. Dealers spend the money in the local economy buying their weekly shop, which gets taxed via VAT and goes back to the local economy.

    Likewise for people spending it on booze down the pub or in the off licence/supermarket

    As for bookies, I’m not sure if they’re VAT exempt, but they must be paying rates at the very least to the local Council, which again goes back into the economy

    Roma gypsies don’t import their weekly shop either. They go down to the local supermarket and buy it there. Also they get taxed to the hilt every time they buy a flight home

    You really haven’t thought this through, have you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    atticu wrote: »
    Could you just remind me where the money comes from.

    Tax


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,985 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    fxotoole wrote:
    You really haven’t thought this through, have you?
    Oh I have, the bookies and the drug dealer is not going to spend all the money they get. A lot of it won't see the light of day in this country again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭atticu


    fxotoole wrote: »
    Tax

    So, the money is first taken out of the economy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭janmaree


    I've just finished reading this entire thread and allowing for it being "After Hours" where seemingly anything goes, I am horrified to realise that I am so deeply hated and despised by so many people who generalise so mercilessly. I am now in my 60s after working full-time for most of my adult life. I paid all my taxes, contributions, levies, insurances etc., I paid my own doctor and dentist charges, perhaps stupidly but that's me. My workload was so extreme that I took few holidays and haven't had one of any kind for nearly two decades. I cared for my father until he needed specialist nursing care, for many years while I worked full-time from his home and later, on carers allowance after the recession did away with my job. Carer's allowance is simply a Godsend but JSA awaits you when the caring ends. JSA at my age is a life-saver when the age discrimination legislation has no dentures and your technology skills become less relevant with each month and in a nutshell, nobody wants you but you keep on looking, knowing no one is looking for you. Years ago, it would have been socially acceptable and expected for someone of my age to be retired, nowadays it's a stretch of years ahead of redundancy in all possible forms. The first day I had to sign on, I felt so G-damned defeated that I wept when I got home. I was the first in my entire family (far and wide) to go on the dole and the only other time I ever felt so broken hearted was the day my Mum died.

    I do work part-time and give it my absolute all because I know in my heart that there won't be any more opportunities for the likes of me. And like many carers, I wrecked my back lifting my Dad but "see the doctor" doesn't work for me because I just don't have it so every job application I make, I say a silent prayer that if I DO get lucky and somebody WILL give me a chance to pitch in, they don't have stairs because they're a pain in the nether region for me! I don't mind if the haters still hate me and call me all those names like lazy and moocher and scrounger and free-loader and on and on and on............. someone may just stop for a moment and think about "there but for the grace of God, go I". Thanks for listening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭Samsgirl


    janmaree wrote: »
    I've just finished reading this entire thread and allowing for it being "After Hours" where seemingly anything goes, I am horrified to realise that I am so deeply hated and despised by so many people who generalise so mercilessly. I am now in my 60s after working full-time for most of my adult life. I paid all my taxes, contributions, levies, insurances etc., I paid my own doctor and dentist charges, perhaps stupidly but that's me. My workload was so extreme that I took few holidays and haven't had one of any kind for nearly two decades. I cared for my father until he needed specialist nursing care, for many years while I worked full-time from his home and later, on carers allowance after the recession did away with my job. Carer's allowance is simply a Godsend but JSA awaits you when the caring ends. JSA at my age is a life-saver when the age discrimination legislation has no dentures and your technology skills become less relevant with each month and in a nutshell, nobody wants you but you keep on looking, knowing no one is looking for you. Years ago, it would have been socially acceptable and expected for someone of my age to be retired, nowadays it's a stretch of years ahead of redundancy in all possible forms. The first day I had to sign on, I felt so G-damned defeated that I wept when I got home. I was the first in my entire family (far and wide) to go on the dole and the only other time I ever felt so broken hearted was the day my Mum died.

    I do work part-time and give it my absolute all because I know in my heart that there won't be any more opportunities for the likes of me. And like many carers, I wrecked my back lifting my Dad but "see the doctor" doesn't work for me because I just don't have it so every job application I make, I say a silent prayer that if I DO get lucky and somebody WILL give me a chance to pitch in, they don't have stairs because they're a pain in the nether region for me! I don't mind if the haters still hate me and call me all those names like lazy and moocher and scrounger and free-loader and on and on and on............. someone may just stop for a moment and think about "there but for the grace of God, go I". Thanks for listening.

    Not aimed at you at all if you read the thread fully


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    janmaree wrote: »
    I've just finished reading this entire thread and allowing for it being "After Hours" where seemingly anything goes, I am horrified to realise that I am so deeply hated and despised by so many people who generalise so mercilessly. I am now in my 60s after working full-time for most of my adult life. I paid all my taxes, contributions, levies, insurances etc., I paid my own doctor and dentist charges, perhaps stupidly but that's me. My workload was so extreme that I took few holidays and haven't had one of any kind for nearly two decades. I cared for my father until he needed specialist nursing care, for many years while I worked full-time from his home and later, on carers allowance after the recession did away with my job. Carer's allowance is simply a Godsend but JSA awaits you when the caring ends. JSA at my age is a life-saver when the age discrimination legislation has no dentures and your technology skills become less relevant with each month and in a nutshell, nobody wants you but you keep on looking, knowing no one is looking for you. Years ago, it would have been socially acceptable and expected for someone of my age to be retired, nowadays it's a stretch of years ahead of redundancy in all possible forms. The first day I had to sign on, I felt so G-damned defeated that I wept when I got home. I was the first in my entire family (far and wide) to go on the dole and the only other time I ever felt so broken hearted was the day my Mum died.

    I do work part-time and give it my absolute all because I know in my heart that there won't be any more opportunities for the likes of me. And like many carers, I wrecked my back lifting my Dad but "see the doctor" doesn't work for me because I just don't have it so every job application I make, I say a silent prayer that if I DO get lucky and somebody WILL give me a chance to pitch in, they don't have stairs because they're a pain in the nether region for me! I don't mind if the haters still hate me and call me all those names like lazy and moocher and scrounger and free-loader and on and on and on............. someone may just stop for a moment and think about "there but for the grace of God, go I". Thanks for listening.

    You need to scan it again - under no circumstances would you be considered a waster of any description.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,496 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    janmaree wrote: »
    I've just finished reading this entire thread and allowing for it being "After Hours" where seemingly anything goes, I am horrified to realise that I am so deeply hated and despised by so many people who generalise so mercilessly. I am now in my 60s after working full-time for most of my adult life. I paid all my taxes, contributions, levies, insurances etc., I paid my own doctor and dentist charges, perhaps stupidly but that's me. My workload was so extreme that I took few holidays and haven't had one of any kind for nearly two decades. I cared for my father until he needed specialist nursing care, for many years while I worked full-time from his home and later, on carers allowance after the recession did away with my job. Carer's allowance is simply a Godsend but JSA awaits you when the caring ends. JSA at my age is a life-saver when the age discrimination legislation has no dentures and your technology skills become less relevant with each month and in a nutshell, nobody wants you but you keep on looking, knowing no one is looking for you. Years ago, it would have been socially acceptable and expected for someone of my age to be retired, nowadays it's a stretch of years ahead of redundancy in all possible forms. The first day I had to sign on, I felt so G-damned defeated that I wept when I got home. I was the first in my entire family (far and wide) to go on the dole and the only other time I ever felt so broken hearted was the day my Mum died.

    I do work part-time and give it my absolute all because I know in my heart that there won't be any more opportunities for the likes of me. And like many carers, I wrecked my back lifting my Dad but "see the doctor" doesn't work for me because I just don't have it so every job application I make, I say a silent prayer that if I DO get lucky and somebody WILL give me a chance to pitch in, they don't have stairs because they're a pain in the nether region for me! I don't mind if the haters still hate me and call me all those names like lazy and moocher and scrounger and free-loader and on and on and on............. someone may just stop for a moment and think about "there but for the grace of God, go I". Thanks for listening.


    I'm not sure if you have entirely misunderstood the thread or what but for clarity you are not the problem at all. Hell, you're entitled to social welfare payments more than anyone having worked to your 60's


    The wasters and leeches like Margaret Cash are the problem. You most certainly are not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭janmaree


    Samsgirl wrote: »
    Not aimed at you at all if you read the thread fully

    I read every single word of this thread and that's what "generalising" does, it aims it at me too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Are you looking for some specific type of work or are you willing to take any job to keep you going while you try to find the job you actually want. Like are you willing to flip burgers, work in a supermarket etc.?

    Like there are loads of jobs out there.

    I was in a similar situation when I finished college in May. I wasn't looking for anything specific, but I desperately needed something, anything. The rent needed to be paid and the small amount of savings I had were dwindling quickly, so I applied for everything from retail/supermarket work to factory/warehouse work to delivery driving to general office/admin stuff. 99% of them didn't even acknowledge my application. My age (mid-thirties) and the fact that I had spent the previous three years in college probably stood against me for a lot of those jobs. I got (very) lucky eventually, and was offered a job that I had actually wanted, rather than one that I was just 'willing to take', but it took more than three (increasingly soul-destroying) months.

    There might be loads of jobs out there - I applied for loads anyway - but that doesn't mean you're going to find one overnight. It's not a helpful thing to tell people either. I know it doesn't come easily to a lot of people on here (more than anywhere else on the internet, tbh), but try having a bit of fucking empathy for people less fortunate than yourselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,496 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    janmaree wrote: »
    I read every single word of this thread and that's what "generalising" does, it aims it at me too.
    No it doesn't
    You don't fit the "generalising" at all - and it's a stretch to me to even consider that that could be your genuine reading of the thread.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,496 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I was in a similar situation when I finished college in May. I wasn't looking for anything specific, but I desperately needed something, anything. The rent needed to be paid and the small amount of savings I had were dwindling quickly, so I applied for everything from retail/supermarket work to factory/warehouse work to delivery driving to general office/admin stuff. 99% of them didn't even acknowledge my application. My age (mid-thirties) and the fact that I had spent the previous three years in college probably stood against me for a lot of those jobs. I got (very) lucky eventually, and was offered a job that I had actually wanted, rather than one that I was just 'willing to take', but it took more than three (increasingly soul-destroying) months.

    There might be loads of jobs out there - I applied for loads anyway - but that doesn't mean you're going to find one overnight. It's not a helpful thing to tell people either. I know it doesn't come easily to a lot of people on here (more than anywhere else on the internet, tbh), but try having a bit of fucking empathy for people less fortunate than yourselves.


    The problem comes when people confuse years of hard graft with "good fortune"


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