Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

Yer Da sells Avon

turbbo wrote: »

Betcha miss the aul lie-ins! Will you be getting a xmas bonus in that job of yours?

Having something to get up for beats any lie-in. No Christmas bonus, as far as I'm aware. Apparently, I should have plenty of overtime opportunities over the Christmas period though.

weldoninhio

suicide_circus wrote: »

In so far as a house that you pay rent on with free money is free, yes you will.

Pay rent on it, are you mad??

ELM327

weldoninhio wrote: »

Pay rent on it, are you mad??

Deh gubbernment is robin evry1 righ
Winter is comin

Hitman3000

weldoninhio wrote:

Pay rent on it, are you mad??

Cool article from 2016, anything recent?

the_syco

turbbo wrote: »

It's an outrageous concept that this xmas bonus thing even exists - it really rubs working people up the wrong way. It is another reason to look for somebody else in gov. instead of the populists we have at the moment.

If they like giving the non-working people bonuses, would they lower the amount of tax the working people have to pay? Of course they won't; said tax is needed to pay said bonus :pac:

fxotoole

atticu wrote: »

So, the money is first taken out of the economy.

Only to be put back in again. It’s all circular

Kivaro

Lollipops23 wrote: »

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I don't understand folks who can choose to live years on end on handouts. It's not astronomical amounts, don't they want nice things in life? To be able to treat themselves to a holiday or even a nice dinner out? How do they live their lives?

But that's the thing Lollipops; it can be astronomical ..... for welfare recipients.
Look at the Nigerian couple who were caught earlier in the year who collected welfare payments that amounted to over €400,000. How many Irish children could have had scoliosis operations with this money? That is the way society should look at these fraudsters.

A good number of the local dole recipients in my community work off the books and also collect the dole. One of the biggest con jobs that I witness in my area are the "single" mothers. There is almost always a cohabitating partner whose van/car is parked outside the free house. Many times he is also collecting the dole too and doing nixers.

This is replicated all around Ireland and yet we are being told that only a minority is doing it. That is not the case.
These crimes are seen by the many on the left as victimless crimes, but the money that is being diverted to bogus welfare recipients could go to members of our society that genuinely need assistance. There are many old people who live in decrepit homes. And then you have able-bodied men and women demanding new free forever homes, which will always be maintained to the highest standard for them, and they have them for life.

As I said before, it ain't right. And one of these days, society will make it right.

weldoninhio

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I read so many posts here whinging about the bonus but yet noone has admitted that they will be quitting their job because dole life is so attractive. Wonder why? ;-)

Having self esteem.

weldoninhio

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Cool article from 2016, anything recent?

Yeah I’m sure it’s fully squared up now. It is only 2018.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yeah I’m sure it’s fully squared up now. It is only 2018.

Actually did a quick search

fxotoole

turbbo wrote: »

It's an outrageous concept that this xmas bonus thing even exists - it really rubs working people up the wrong way. It is another reason to look for somebody else in gov. instead of the populists we have at the moment.

Conversely, voting for someone else on the basis that they’re going to remove the Xmas bonus is the very definition of populism.

Hitman3000

weldoninhio wrote:

Actually did a quick search

Only a year out of date, well done.;-)

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

screamer wrote: »

From 85 to 100 percent. Ah fair play regina, sure why give Job Dodgers any incentive to get out of bed in the morning and do an honest days work for an honest days pay..... Talk about an own goal

I take it you were never on the dole. There are genuine people out there who worked and paid their taxes but for unseen circumstances have lost their jobs and are now struggling to keep there head above water regarding paying bills, putting clothes on their children's backs and yes not having the money to buy their child a Christmas present . I have seen many struggle and continue to struggle not only at Christmas time but all year round so I think it is great to see that if the increase in the Christmas bonus brings a bit of financial relief to these familes i can only see this as a good thing. And before you say it i do know there are people out there who never worked a day in their lives and have no intention of ever working and these are the ones that should have their Christmas bonuses taken off them and put in to services that are needed for the vulnerable in our society such as the elderly, carers and people with disabilities. Don't paint everyone with the same brush not everyone on the dole is what you call a job dodger. Rant over.

ELM327

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Only a year out of date, well done.;-)

Because the CSO generally gives stats for less than 1 year in arrears? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

El_Duderino 09

ELM327 wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Try looking it up. What would it show?

You introduced the statistic, I was tempering your statistic with the (accurate) notice that the deviation to lower SW bills was due to the benefit cap which we do not have here.

Humm. I posted a link to irish stats. Instead of tempering the stats, how about you take a look at them?

Hitman3000

ELM327 wrote:

Because the CSO generally gives stats for less than 1 year in arrears? Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

Or could it be prehaps the CSO does not provide these figures at all?

Fatswaldo

I'm working, always have done. I have a half decent job but with mortgage, school and college fees, rent and bills for same, oil for heating, car insurance etc, etc Im skint. Dreading Christmas - again.

Idbatterim

I think it’s fair to say that the money could be far better spent elsewhere. Road safety. Infrastructure, paying down the insane national debt. Reducing the marginal rate of tax etc. If you want a proper system, then do what they do on the continent and base what you get out, on what you paid in. It’s a f*cking farce here !

SoyBoy69

Happy about this. I've no issue giving tax money towards xmas bonuses for unemployed people.

Atoms for Peace

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I read so many posts here whinging about the bonus but yet noone has admitted that they will be quitting their job because dole life is so attractive. Wonder why? ;-)

Because they're sick of seeing the taxman taking increasingly bigger cuts while public services are slipping.

Hitman3000

Atoms for Peace wrote:

Because they're sick of seeing the taxman taking increasingly bigger cuts while public services are slipping.

Nope , all I see is whinging about the bonus.

Edgware

turbbo wrote: »

Just sticking this here again - proud of what i did here - and it got snipped onto the previous page



I read so many posts here whinging about not having a job but yet noone has admitted quitting the dole because the work life is so attractive. Wonder why? ;-)

Most people arent scroungers

turbbo

Edgware wrote: »

Most people arent scroungers

We’ll be another Venezuela if this $hite continues with Xmas bonuses for people on welfare. Populist nonsense.

Wanderer78

turbbo wrote: »

We’ll be another Venezuela if this $hite continues with Xmas bonuses for people on welfare. Populist nonsense.

have they found a ****e load of oil off the coast?

h7nlrp2v0g5u48

Edgware wrote: »

Most people arent scroungers

I totally agree. Of course there are people out there screwing the welfare system for years but what I can't get my head around is that the same people have been getting away with this without any action been taken by the powers that be.Surely the Department Of f Social Welfare have a database with a list of people claiming benefits who haven't worked for years or not at all. More efford should be made to weed out this people and either cut their benefits or make them go out and do some community work which would benefit every town and village and hopefully encourage them to either take up an apprenticeship or maybe get back in to education which would eventually lead them in to full employment. These people have had it far to easy for far to long while the hard working people get screwed by tax increases and mortgage hikes.

Ashleigh1986

This is all about votes .
The government look good to the people on benefits .
The bonus is spent on Christmas meaning the government get the vat .
The hardworking people in Ireland have always been screwed .
High vat on drink / cigs / fuel .... Not to mention tax on wages .
Ain't nothing going to ever change in Ireland.

Galwayguy35

Welfare is meant to be a helping hand for people until they get employment.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with people on disability, pensioners and carers getting a bit extra but giving scroungers who are too lazy to get out of bed a bonus is ridiculous.

FG would want to remember who votes for them come the next election, it won't be the likes of Margaret Cash.

Ashleigh1986

Galwayguy35.. FG are well aware who votes for them.
This is all about popularity .
Every decision the government makes is thought out .
They are well aware of some backlash they will receive over this decision, but it's about the bigger picture with them.
It will be same with next weeks budget .
Give with one hand... Take with another , but they are well aware a general election is on the horizon , so expect a feel good budget .
It's all about getting reelected.

Galwayguy35

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Galwayguy35.. FG are well aware who votes for them.
This is all about popularity .
Every decision the government makes is thought out .
They are well aware of some backlash they will receive over this decision, but it's about the bigger picture with them.
It will be same with next weeks budget .
Give with one hand... Take with another , but they are well aware a general election is on the horizon , so expect a feel good budget .
It's all about getting reelected.

From what I've been reading the Budget will be far from feel good for working people.

Ashleigh1986

That's just the regular kites that are flown by a government to get a feel from the public by using the media to get some proposals out there .
Then when the actual budget comes out the public think ... That wasn't as bad as we thought .
It's all a game lads .