I've SWITCHed! - General discussion - WARNING IN POST 1

CiDeRmAn · 01-10-2018 06:33AM

Phil.x wrote: »

My fear is that as its a hand held unit playing ps4, xbox level games it will struggle, im asking as my kid is looking for one off santa. I dont want a ps4 as theres rumours of a replacement late 2019.

As a long time PS owner the PS4 remains a great buy and will do for a number of years yet.
Even if a new console is released it will be an expensive and poorly supported beast for the first two years, based on my experience of the PS2,3 and 4.

chrislad · 01-10-2018 09:12AM

/\/ollog wrote: »

While I do like most of those bolded games, even have some pre-ordered, I wouldn't all them brand new to anyone who had a Wii, Wii u, 3ds etc.

Also, I didn't mean every single switch game, there's plenty of new games I've never even played yet, you sometimes have to look for your entertainment, it doesn't just fall into your lap.

They are all brand new though. They're all sequels to existing properties, never released elsewhere. Some of the ones not highlighted, like NSMB, aren't new, but considering the limited reach of the Wii U, this will be a new game to at least 7 million Switch owners

I think we're disagreeing to agree though

sweetie · 02-10-2018 09:03PM

Devilfish698 wrote:

Thats great. Thank you I will get into them

Any luck with this? I'm trying to do return but needs a uk postcode to progress online. Is a call to them needed?

Devilfish698 · 02-10-2018 10:59PM

I sent them an email and they said I can reply to the email with the details needed or to ring them

Lord Spence · 04-10-2018 06:38PM

Is anyone actually happy with the games being released? Seems like mainly indy titles with the odd rehashed Nintendo franchise and a drop of 3rd party support. I mean the room is an android game??

TitianGerm · 04-10-2018 06:43PM

Lord Spence wrote: »

Is anyone actually happy with the games being released? Seems like mainly indy titles with the odd rehashed Nintendo franchise and a drop of 3rd party support. I mean the room is an android game??

I got the Switch for Christmas last year. Since then all of my favourite games have been on Switch. It's an excellent console with excellent games.

Highlights for me are Odyssey, BOTW, Golf Story, Hollow Knight and Octopath Traveller. All super games, loads of fun and plenty of playtime.

Lord Spence · 04-10-2018 07:23PM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I got the Switch for Christmas last year. Since then all of my favourite games have been on Switch. It's an excellent console with excellent games.

Highlights for me are Odyssey, BOTW, Golf Story, Hollow Knight and Octopath Traveller. All super games, loads of fun and plenty of playtime.

I get people are enjoying it and that indy games are for some.folks but I just feel the balance is off I think that is due to the real lack of top quality 3rd party support, something we were promised with the Wii u which failed to materialise and something we were promised on switch and for me is failing to materialise again, why do Nintendo constantly underpower there systems. Sorry for the rant probably wrong forum for it. For what's it's worth I love the switch hardware just a little underwhelmed by the games catalogue.

Banjo · 04-10-2018 07:52PM

OSI wrote: »

Doom
Doom Eternal
Wolfenstein 2
Skyrim
FIFA
Fortnite
Diablo 3
Civ VI
Rocket League
Dark Souls
Ark: Survival Evolved
Firewatch
Bayonetta 3
South Park
Multiple Lego games

They're just one's I can remember off the top off my head that I know are high profile 3rd party games.

Of your list, how many games were
A) released

released roughly at the same time as other consoles
C) functionally on par with their other console counterparts?

Personally I'm happy with what we have mostly but I see his point.
(And we should probably take this to the Switched thread)

Banjo · 05-10-2018 10:19AM

OSI wrote: »

How is that different to any other console in it's first year though?

PS4 first year most of it's top titles were ports, including GTA 5, Last of Us, Rayman Legends, Diablo 3, Assassin's Creed, Fifa, Call of Duty. Similar again for the Xbox One.

The OP was concerned that the existing software base and the known pipeline games suggest a lack of the AAA big name titles coming to Switch.
The second guy posted a list of games that they consider AAA titles.
I am positing that that list actually reinforces the first guys argument because they're mostly old games, late games and cut down games, and that is then further bolstered by the lack of announcements of Switch releases of the big upcoming otherwise-cross-platform titles.

So to answer your question, in its first E3 after release PS4 had announcements or previews for titles from the Far Cry, Batman Arkham (), Metal Gear Solid, Dead Island, Dragon Age, Battlefield, Assassin's Creed and Mass Effect franchises to go along with the 1st Party / Exclusives like Bloodborne, Destiny and Uncharted and the indy stuff. Some of it may have been way off release but that kind of plays into my point rather than yours.

There aren't many big 3rd party franchises that are boldly announcing their Switch presence regardless of how far off a release is, and a lot of the time when a release comes it comes VERY quickly after the announcement, almost as if they've been working on it for a year or two but were not 100% it was going to work out until the last minute. It smacks of a lack of confidence in the big publishers that they can make their titles work on the switch without too many compromises that would come in for heavy criticism, or that the market would be there to justify the effort if they did.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really looking forward to Bayonetta 3 and I'm having a blast with Hollow Knight at the moment, but in most things I do not represent the man-in-the-street and am not the one that the existing and pipeline software library needs to convince.

CiDeRmAn · 05-10-2018 10:53AM

The era of major, persistently successful 3rd party releases seems to be passed.
While Destiny 2 and Assassin's Creed continue to bring in the cash, Mass Effect lost EA a fortune, and Dead Island is, by all accounts, pants.
I agree though, the lack of AAA releases, outside of a few publishers/developers is unfortunate and only throws into sharp relief a similar slowdown in AAA Nintendo releases through 2018.
Hopefully 2019 will reflect an upswing, I mean the userbase is there ready and willing to spend money on great games, it's up to the developers to make them and the publishers to get them into our hands.

Full disclosure though, I am still in two minds about Wolfenstein II, do I get it in Argos for my PS4 for €24.99 or buy the more expensive but technically impressive Switch version... decisions. decisions...

chrislad · 05-10-2018 11:18AM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Full disclosure though, I am still in two minds about Wolfenstein II, do I get it in Argos for my PS4 for €24.99 or buy the more expensive but technically impressive Switch version... decisions. decisions...

That's the crux. It depends on the game really - personally, having played Doom on both, I'm more inclined to get the PS4 version. Doom was fine on portable, but suits the big screen better, so PS4 all the way. Skyrim on the other hand, suits portable better for me, as there's little sacrificed to make it work.

Maxpfizer · 05-10-2018 12:07PM

Lord Spence wrote: »

Is anyone actually happy with the games being released? Seems like mainly indy titles with the odd rehashed Nintendo franchise and a drop of 3rd party support. I mean the room is an android game??

Yes but the question feels like it's going to be followed up with an attempt to convince that I'm not really happy or I'm happy but for the wrong reasons.

I don't spend massive amounts of time gaming so a game like, for example, BotW that I might spend 150 hours with could take me a solid 3 months to complete if it's the only game I play.

Once I add a few more purchases to my library I already have more games than I have actual time for gaming.

Basically, if I bought everything I wanted to buy from the currently available games then I would never be able to fully play them all by the time the next Nintendo console comes along.

One of my thoughts, always, when people are arguing over third party support is how the hell anyone has that much time to play all these games.

Once Smash comes along that's me probably sorted for the next 6 months or so and maybe I would jump in and out of games like Dead Cells or Banner Saga or that Xenoblade 2 expansion but that's going to take up months of my time.

I'm just not sure who is it there that manages to somehow play every single big or good or just interesting release to the extent where you'd be wishing there were even more games that you don't have time to play.

Which leads into this... "why do Nintendo constantly underpower there systems?"

In the context of the Switch this is just a dumb question. If the intent was to release a console in 2017 that was both a portable and a home console then why would anyone expect that console to rival the PS4 Pro or upcoming XBOX whatever for power?

So one of the appealing things about the Switch is it allows more time for gaming. Even if that's just playing the console while the TV is being watched by my OH or if it's just saying "OK, I'm going to continue this in bed or at work tomorrow".

Expecting that to have the same library or the same power as the PS4 is just... unreasonable?

The objection to that point always seems to be "Well >> I << don't care about portability". Fine. I do though.

There just seem to be so many arguments that boil down to "why isn't the Nintendo Switch a PS4, it should be a PS4".

The Switch has it's own selling points and they are blatantly out there in the marketing of the console. You can play it anywhere you like. It has Nintendo exclusive games.

So if I want those big name 3rd party multi-platform releases like CoD or FarCry or Assassins Creed or Red Dead Redemption then I have to trade in ALL of the Switchs unique selling points just to have a PS4 with a Nintendo sticker on it and obviously the Nintendo exclusive releases.

I'm not willing to make that trade off.

Hopefully in a few years people will stop looking at indie games as somehow inferior to "Triple A" because that does seem to be a major factor in all of this.

I mean, what is the absolute best 3rd Party release of 2018 so far? Far Cry 5? Assassin's Creed Odyssey? Is that better than indies like Dead Cells or Celeste?

Mr E · 05-10-2018 12:09PM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

Hopefully in a few years people will stop looking at indie games as somehow inferior to "Triple A" because that does seem to be a major factor in all of this.

I mean, what is the absolute best 3rd Party release of 2018 so far? Far Cry 5? Assassin's Creed Odyssey? Is that better than indies like Dead Cells or Celeste?

This. 100% this.

CiDeRmAn · 05-10-2018 12:18PM

It's about choice.

To you and I Dead Cells and Hollow Knight might have been the games of the year, but to others they want their devices to support Rainbow Six match ups with their mates, or a deep delve beneath the surface of Io in Destiny 2.
If I own a PS4 or XB1 I have this choice, but on the Switch I do not.

On the other hand, the Switch offers me the choice of playing Skyrim, LoZ and Mario Odyssey out and about as well as on the big screen.

Would a version of Destiny 2 on the Switch be, ultimately, a disappointing compromise?
Would a device capable of doing Destiny 2 justice then, in turn, be a battery hog, generate too much heat and render itself pointless as a portable device?
In such a case we would end up a Nintendo branded modern console that sits under the telly, alongside the PS4 and XB1, doing 90% the same things and the same games.

It's all so confusing!

Maxpfizer · 05-10-2018 12:31PM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

It's about choice.

To you and I Dead Cells and Hollow Knight might have been the games of the year, but to others they want their devices to support Rainbow Six match ups with their mates, or a deep delve beneath the surface of Io in Destiny 2.
If I own a PS4 or XB1 I have this choice, but on the Switch I do not.

On the other hand, the Switch offers me the choice of playing Skyrim, LoZ and Mario Odyssey out and about as well as on the big screen.

Would a version of Destiny 2 on the Switch be, ultimately, a disappointing compromise?
Would a device capable of doing Destiny 2 justice then, in turn, be a battery hog, generate too much heat and render itself pointless as a portable device?
In such a case we would end up a Nintendo branded modern console that sits under the telly, alongside the PS4 and XB1, doing 90% the same things and the same games.

It's all so confusing!

I think on Switch Destiny 2 absolutely would be a disappointing compromise and potentially wouldn't even sell very well.

Basically, yes, the ONLY solution to Nintendo's 3rd party woes is to create a console that is the same as a PS4 or XBOX1 but with a different controller design, operating system and online service.

No more off screen play, no option of portability. Probably then Nintendo would develop a handheld too, with no AAA 3rd party support and mostly Nintendo exclusives and that would outsell all of the home consoles anyway.

Is that really what people want though? A third home console with a different library of exclusive content. Really meaning that the only factor when choosing a console becomes "which one has the best exclusives".

Lord Spence · 05-10-2018 01:05PM

I think people are missing the point, its the promise of the 3rd party support from the get go, everyone was expecting more support from 3rd parties but it really hasn't materialised apart from Bethesda (who charge a premium for the privilege compared to other systems).

As for the system being under powered, it 100% is simple as that, nobody expects a one x or a pro but this should at least match a nearly 5 year old console in the ps4 and xbox one, with rumours of a switch pro next year Nintendo seems to agree with this sentiment also.

As for Indy games as I said before each to there own nothing wrong with having indy titles and I wont make judgement on games I haven't played like Celeste and Deadcells ( which I am aware are supposed to be very good) but it was the balance I have the issue with tons and tons of indy games and handful of everything else. Not what was advertised when switch was announced.

I do like my switch and I loved oddessy and loved playing skyrim for the first time on it, its just I want more, more, more

earthwormjack · 05-10-2018 01:18PM

While I'd agree with the last few posts, I don't know how anyone can expect a console the size of a dvd case to be as powerful as a ps4/xbox one. In this form factor and at the time of release, it wasn't possible to be anymore powerful.

At max the switch operates at a little over 15 watts.

Maxpfizer · 05-10-2018 01:23PM

Lord Spence wrote: »

As for the system being under powered, it 100% is simple as that, nobody expects a one x or a pro but this should at least match a nearly 5 year old console in the ps4 and xbox one, with rumours of a switch pro next year Nintendo seems to agree with this sentiment also.

I still think you are removing "under-powered" from the context of the console being portable.

Was anyone seriously expecting a portable console that was as powerful as a PS4 and XBOX One?

How much would that even cost?

I mean I have a PS4 slim that cost me 350 euro and that thing runs HOT.

Can't imagine what a handheld would cost if it were to have the exact same power as the PS4 slim but run cooler so you can carry it while playing and also what would you then do about the file sizes for the games etc?

OK, obviously there was a lot of speculation about the "NX" when we only knew there was a Nintendo console in development but as soon as it was settled that the console would be portable was anyone anticipating that it would have the same power as PS4?

You say "it's under powered" but that's compared to completely different products.

Thing is I don't feel like people would do this in the other direction. Like when the inevitable PS5 announcement happens people aren't going to compare that to the Switch and say "but it isn't portable, what the hell Sony".

Corholio · 05-10-2018 01:36PM

Lord Spence wrote: »

As for the system being under powered, it 100% is simple as that, nobody expects a one x or a pro but this should at least match a nearly 5 year old console in the ps4 and xbox one, with rumours of a switch pro next year Nintendo seems to agree with this sentiment also.

Any Switch revision won't be the power of a PS4, anyone setting that up is making their own disappointment and I still don't understand even though it's been out all this time that some don't get the form factor and what is realistically possible with it. The 'machine' that some want won't come in Switch branding lifetime and may never come at all. Some would be disappointed with that but plenty would be perfectly nonplussed about it.

I personally don't think the revision will be a bombastic leap in power and will more likely be changes to it's form with perhaps the X2 chip etc. The only way I see massive increase in power is if the mysterious external processing unit is real and comes to fruition.

Banjo · 05-10-2018 01:38PM

earthwormjack wrote: »

While I'd agree with the last few posts, I don't know how anyone can expect a console the size of a dvd case top be as powerful as a ps4/xbox one. In this form factor and at the time of release, it wasn't possible to be anymore powerful.

Weeeeell that's not strictly true - It was possible for it to have been more powerful. Prior to release there was speculation that it was getting the (then-in-development?) Tegra X2, not the Tegra X1 which was already on the market in consumer products released 2 years before.

Edit : I really need to stop playing Devil's Advocate... but I want the option to buy cheap 3rd party games for peanuts 6 months after release without having to buy a PS4!

Maxpfizer · 05-10-2018 01:44PM

Corholio wrote: »

Any Switch revision won't be the power of a PS4, anyone setting that up is making their own disappointment and I still don't understand even though it's been out all this time that some don't get the form factor and what is realistically possible with it. The 'machine' that some want won't come in Switch branding lifetime and may never come at all. Some would be disappointed with that but plenty would be perfectly nonplussed about it.

I personally don't think the revision will be a bombastic leap in power and will more likely be changes to it's form with perhaps the X2 chip etc. The only way I see massive increase in power is if the mysterious external processing unit is real and comes to fruition.

I would say even if they did manage a "Switch Pro" that was working at the level of PS4 they won't have that until the next PS and XBOX iterations are due. So they'll be back in the same spot with the newest games being too demanding for the system to handle.

"Elder Scrolls 6 and Death Stranding won't be coming to Switch Pro"

With some kind of external processing unit you will just see games with a "not playable in handheld mode" sticker or they will revert back to the Wii U style where you can play handheld but only within range of your main unit console.

earthwormjack · 05-10-2018 01:50PM

Banjo wrote: »

Weeeeell that's not strictly true - It was possible for it to have been more powerful. Prior to release there was speculation that it was getting the (then-in-development?) Tegra X2, not the Tegra X1 which was already on the market in consumer products released 2 years before.

Tegra x2 didn't exist at the time, it was a Xavier chip. It also isn't a consumer chip, as far as I'm aware it's specifically built as an AI SoC.

So the X1 was the best of the best at the time.

fixXxer · 05-10-2018 02:14PM

I think we can all agree that being portable is not excuse for being underpowered.

Lord Spence · 05-10-2018 02:35PM

Why did the Wii U fail? In my opinion it was a mix of bad messaging at launch and ultimately an under powered machine that couldn't complete outside of 1st party titles. For me the switch isn't much different and once PS5 and Scarlett launches the the switch as we know it now will be dead (in my opinion only lads settle

), with cloud streaming being heavily mooted for the next gen (Google now included in this) we will all be playing on our phones and tablets and any other device that might launch to acompany the new systems. I think this is why Nintendo are testing the waters with AC Odesssey and RE7.

Whichever way it goes it a win win for gamers

earthwormjack · 05-10-2018 02:48PM

You're right with the bad messaging of the Wii U. Switch is much different that the Wii U though. It's marketing has been pretty much nailed so far in regards to getting the point of the system across.

Cloud streaming isn't a win/win at all for gamers though imo. Dogsh!t latency and bandwidth/data caps are nowhere near good enough yet for the majority of people. As well as the issue of 'renting' all your games and never owning them and what I'd imagine would be a pricey monthly subscription fee. I don't see much of that changing in the next few years.

CiDeRmAn · 05-10-2018 04:11PM

The ramp up time from introduction to widespread adoption means that the PS5 XBwhateva won't be an essential console for a couple of years, same as all in their line before them.
What this means is that even if Sony and MS release new hardware in 2019, it'll be 2021 before they are going to be bought in large numbers by non-early adopters.
I know, I have been an early adopter over the decades and it's only my die hard desire to have the latest and greatest that keeps me at it, when it came to the PS4 it only had Bloodborne for the longest times as a reason to own, similar story with the XB1 which is still waiting for that killer exclusive.
It means that the Switch has plenty of time.
And, by some contradiction, the lack of focus on those big 3rd party titles means that the Switch will be largely insulated from comparison.
Who cares that Destiny 3 runs at 4k with all sorts of spangly graphics, when we have the next Legend of Zelda game as well as Mario Odyssey II to play at home and on the bus?

iamtony · 06-10-2018 09:19PM

Has anyone else not played the switch for days on end just because you left it in the car under the seat and are way to lazy to go get it?

Fuzzy Logic · 06-10-2018 09:58PM

iamtony wrote: »

Has anyone else not played the switch for days on end just because you left it in the car under the seat and are way to lazy to go get it?

Yep. I have it sitting on a desk and keep saying I must play it. Recently I’ve been contemplating on selling it but I know if I do I’ll end up regretting the decision. I’ll stick it out because the kids love watching me play Mario and Mario Kart

seraphimvc · 06-10-2018 10:41PM

just saw this and i thought i should share it

and yup Nintendo games dont get discounted (rarely)

megaten · 08-10-2018 11:08AM

Lord Spence wrote: »

I think people are missing the point, its the promise of the 3rd party support from the get go, everyone was expecting more support from 3rd parties but it really hasn't materialised apart from Bethesda (who charge a premium for the privilege compared to other systems).

Most of those companies have made games for the switch. Only one that I can't think of a game for is maybe Activision?

Logo reels like that are a part of every console announcement though. They don't mean anything other than a vague promise to put something on the system.

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