Ryanair Strike, Industrial relations discussion Mod note in post 1

rivegauche · 19-09-2018 3:42pm

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryanair/ryanair-welcomes-french-supreme-court-decision-in-marseille-case-mulls-re-entering-french-market/
A victory in court for Ryanair which gives them the opportunity to extend their presence in France and also allows them to release €13M which was held on escrow.

Also, it doesn't look like Belgian strike action will be too successful with only half of Cabin Crew employed by Ryanair.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ryanair-unions-belgium/belgian-union-rejects-ryanair-offer-ahead-of-planned-strike-idUSKCN1LZ1M7

Comhrá · 19-09-2018 8:35pm

https://www.euronews.com/2018/09/19/spanish-court-rules-former-ryanair-pilot-was-employee-not-contractor

MADRID, Sept 19 (Reuters) - A former Ryanair pilot should have been considered an employee and not an independent contractor, a Spanish judge has said in the latest setback for the airline in its fight to avoid Europe-wide strikes over workers’ conditions.

Europe’s largest low-cost airline faces a 24-hour strike by cabin crews in Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal and Spain on Sept. 28, over labour agreements. Unions aim to repeat the strikes once a month.

The Sept. 7 ruling by the Spanish judge in Tenerife can be appealed.

“We have asked our lawyers to appeal this sentence immediately,” Ryanair said in an email.

The pilot’s lawyer said he is preparing new lawsuits for other Ryanair pilots for allegedly violating Spanish labour and tax laws.

The Spanish pilots’ union Sepla filed a collective lawsuit in the High Court against the company over contracts in early August.

Under Spanish law, a contractor does not enjoy the same workers’ rights as an employee and the airline does not have to contribute to the worker’s social security payments.

(Reporting by Robert Hetz; Writing by Paul Day; Editing by Kirsten Donovan and Louise Heavens)

rivegauche · 20-09-2018 9:53am

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0920/994886-ryanair_agm/
M O'L and Bonderman re-elected.
The Union activists who were pushing for this did a disservice to their collective aims. It can only be interpreted as the Investors being in favour of the Industrial relations stance of Ryanair's management.
https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/ryanair-shareholders-approve-all-resolutions-by-large-majorities-at-its-agm/

Tenger · 20-09-2018 12:11pm

Thats one view, another could be that the drop from 89% to 70% for Bonderman shows a marked drop in confidence in that individual.
(Personally I would be thrilled to get 70% of a vote)
And obviously the 98% for MoL is a another ringing endorsement from shareholders.

At the end of the day I doubt the institutional investors care about the ongoing issues at FR as long as their share price remains relatively stable.

al2009 · 20-09-2018 8:28pm

With the ryanair strike scheduled for next Friday by the Spanish cabin crew, would anyone know will the farranfore to alicante flight be affected that day?

View Profile · 20-09-2018 11:04pm

Regarding the continuance of the status quo within Ryanair's senior management, I unfortunately see continuing unrest amongst the staff.

The company cannot advance commercially until staff have confidence in their management which cannot happen with O'Leary at the helm.

He has proven in the past 12 months to be incapable of dealing with greivances amongst the staff and rather seems intent on antagonising parties further.

A golden opportunity for shareholders to replace O'Leary with someone more qualified was wasted and the potential for the company to rebrand itself for the customers as a reliable and caring company squashed.
Ryanair could be a great airline to work for and fly with but it's reputation is severely tarnished, primarily due to mismanagement by O'Leary.

It's a pity that such a golden opportunity was wasted.

Let's hope that the closed shop mentality doesn't lead to Ryanair ending up like the next Enron!

al2009 wrote:

With the ryanair strike scheduled for next Friday by the Spanish cabin crew, would anyone know will the farranfore to alicante flight be affected that day?

Alicante crew so highly likely.

toshiba1 · 21-09-2018 3:29pm

Hi All,
Need a bit of information
My sister is heading to Portugal (Faro) tomorrow and back on Friday, she heard that cabin crew are planning a strike on the day she is flying back. She has a couple of questions
Does an Irish based crew operate the flights or is it a local crew?
When would she get notice of strike?
Thank You
Regards

billie1b · 21-09-2018 4:00pm

toshiba1 wrote: »

Hi All,
Need a bit of information
My sister is heading to Portugal (Faro) tomorrow and back on Friday, she heard that cabin crew are planning a strike on the day she is flying back. She has a couple of questions
Does an Irish based crew operate the flights or is it a local crew?
When would she get notice of strike?
Thank You
Regards

Post up the flight number and you’ll get a more accurate answer, the Faro flights are a mixture of Dublin and Faro based aircraft

toshiba1 · 21-09-2018 4:09pm

billie1b wrote: »

Post up the flight number and you’ll get a more accurate answer, the Faro flights are a mixture of Dublin and Faro based aircraft

Thank You Billie1b
Flight No 7033 depart 22:00
She has to be back home for Saturday and is looking to make alternative arrangements

al2009 · 21-09-2018 5:00pm

View Profile wrote: »

Regarding the continuance of the status quo within Ryanair's senior management, I unfortunately see continuing unrest amongst the staff.

The company cannot advance commercially until staff have confidence in their management which cannot happen with O'Leary at the helm.

He has proven in the past 12 months to be incapable of dealing with greivances amongst the staff and rather seems intent on antagonising parties further.

A golden opportunity for shareholders to replace O'Leary with someone more qualified was wasted and the potential for the company to rebrand itself for the customers as a reliable and caring company squashed.
Ryanair could be a great airline to work for and fly with but it's reputation is severely tarnished, primarily due to mismanagement by O'Leary.

It's a pity that such a golden opportunity was wasted.

Let's hope that the closed shop mentality doesn't lead to Ryanair ending up like the next Enron!

Alicante crew so highly likely.

Thank you, hopefully it's sorted before friday!

billie1b · 21-09-2018 5:08pm

toshiba1 wrote: »

Thank You Billie1b
Flight No 7033 depart 22:00
She has to be back home for Saturday and is looking to make alternative arrangements

Thats a Dublin based aircraft

toshiba1 · 21-09-2018 5:59pm

billie1b wrote: »

Thats a Dublin based aircraft

Cheers billie1b

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 11:42am

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/dutch-ryanair-pilots-opt-to-join-fridays-strike-major-disruption-expected/

Dutch pilots join Cabin Crew strike on Friday.
Irrespective of the legitimacy or not of their strike action I'd have kept my gunpowder dry for another day if I were them as there will be plenty of pilots from other regions available to cover on this day of cabin crew strike action.

n97 mini · 25-09-2018 12:05pm

Could anyone tell me where the crew on FR3978 Dublin to Madrid at 13.05 this Friday is based?

TIA.

billie1b · 25-09-2018 12:09pm

n97 mini wrote: »

Could anyone tell me where the crew on FR3978 Dublin to Madrid at 13.05 this Friday is based?

TIA.

Dublin based

billie1b · 25-09-2018 12:11pm

rivegauche wrote: »

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2018/09/dutch-ryanair-pilots-opt-to-join-fridays-strike-major-disruption-expected/

Dutch pilots join Cabin Crew strike on Friday.
Irrespective of the legitimacy or not of their strike action I'd have kept my gunpowder dry for another day if I were them as there will be plenty of pilots from other regions available to cover on this day of cabin crew strike action.

Plenty of pilots??? You do know that there is a major shortage of pilots at the minute and they’re positioning pilots on their days to other bases European wide just to cover scheduled flights

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 12:16pm

billie1b wrote: »

Plenty of pilots??? You do know that there is a major shortage of pilots at the minute and they’re positioning pilots on their days to other bases European wide just to cover scheduled flights

Yes, I'm well able to read the reports about deadheading Ryanair pilots commandeering the exit row seats on Ryanair planes while forcing tall paying Customers who have paid a premium for those specific seats in to other seats.

billie1b · 25-09-2018 12:33pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Yes, I'm well able to read the reports about deadheading Ryanair pilots commandeering the exit row seats on Ryanair planes while forcing tall paying Customers who have paid a premium for those specific seats in to other seats.

Never heard of that, I know that they’re given whatever available seats are left on board after boarding and if there is no seats available they sit in jumpseats, keep spouting your s.hite though, it’s entertaining reading from someone who has no clue but thinks he/she is 100% correct in every statement they make.

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 12:37pm

blushing Billie1b
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6199341/Ryanair-call-police-deal-6ft-2in-passenger-denying-extra-legroom-hed-paid-for.html?platform=hootsuite
This passenger took a stand over a premium seat(sic) and cabin crew called Police.

Breaking news:
Italian Cabin Crew agree terms with Ryanair
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/--871335.html

billie1b · 25-09-2018 12:47pm

rivegauche wrote: »

blushing Billie1b
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6199341/Ryanair-call-police-deal-6ft-2in-passenger-denying-extra-legroom-hed-paid-for.html?platform=hootsuite
This passenger took a stand over a premium seat(sic) and cabin crew called Police.

Breaking news:
Italian Cabin Crew agree terms with Ryanair
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/--871335.html

Not blushing, if you actually read the story and not make up stuff, it was an extra cabin crew member on the flight as the over wing exit was tech and a crew member has to sit there incase, happens sometime! I’m blushing for you though at your attempt to say say it was a dead heading pilot but turned out to be cabin crew on duty! Schucks to you, another example of your not having a clue, feel sorry for you.....

L1011 · 25-09-2018 12:52pm

You can point out the inaccuracy / lack of knowledge in a more polite manner.

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 12:52pm

Do you believe that.
The Witness states categorically that he was never offered 16A and that throws the rest of the official response in to question. Also we don't have to look further than this forum for reports of cabin crew acting like dictators on regional routes here with some posters saying that they will not pay for seat selection as the flight attendants just block off the more preferential seats and then sit in them later and that wasn't even a Ryanair flight.
I will not bother go looking for that post as you don't warrant the time or effort as you can't be polite on thread.

billie1b · 25-09-2018 1:01pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Do you believe that.
The Witness states categorically that he was never offered 16A and that throws the rest of the official response in to question. Also we don't have to look further than this forum for reports of cabin crew acting like dictators on regional routes here with some posters saying that they will not pay for seat selection as the flight attendants just block off the more preferential seats and then sit in them later and that wasn't even a Ryanair flight.
I will not bother go looking for that post as you don't warrant the time or effort as you can't be polite on thread.

You don’t have to look for it, I won’t even bother reading it as I know aircraft have to be trimmed in a certian way and certain seats need to be blocked for take-off and landing. Your lack of being humble, respectful, modest, deferential etc says all about you that I need to know, hence I can get snippy but your condescending manner comes across much worse that a bit of snippiness.

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 1:03pm

In your efforts to insult me and undermine my position as a consumer advocate you are dragging this thread off-topic.

Back on topic; Italian cabin crews agree terms so a little bit less jiggery-pokerery to do on Friday.

L1011 · 25-09-2018 1:12pm

rivegauche wrote: »

In your efforts to insult me and undermine my position as a consumer advocate you are dragging this thread off-topic.

You are not and have never posted here as a consumer advocate.

MoeJay · 25-09-2018 1:16pm

rivegauche wrote: »

Yes, I'm well able to read the reports about deadheading Ryanair pilots commandeering the exit row seats on Ryanair planes while forcing tall paying Customers who have paid a premium for those specific seats in to other seats.

Not sure what this has to do with industrial action or championing the consumer (probably off topic too) but hey, what do I know...?

Are we going to see a repeat of the slow learning curve all the way across Europe?

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 1:19pm

L1011 wrote: »

You are not and have never posted here as a consumer advocate.

Well, I'm not pro-union and I'm ambivalent toward the company so I don't know how you come to the conclusion that I have another agenda.

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 1:37pm

It would seem that in the interests of consumer protection that there are some minimum service level standards which must be agreed by the Union and the relevant Ministry in Spain.
Last time the minimum service level was 100%, 35%, 59% respectively for various types of flights/destinations.
This time the Unions are requesting about 25%

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/09/24/inenglish/1537789380_647601.html?id_externo_rsoc=TW_CM_EN

It is Tuesday today and the strike is on Friday. Ryanair's decision to run or cancel flights appears to be beyond their control in Spain for a day or two more.

Tenger · 25-09-2018 1:44pm

A reminder that this is for discussion on FR industrial relations. Posts concerning their operation or service will be moved to the General Ryanair thread.

rivegauche · 25-09-2018 1:57pm

Ryanair aren't just carrying sticks, they are carrying carrots too.

https://corporate.ryanair.com/novita/ryanair-lancia-53-nuove-rotte-in-italia-per-la-programmazione-estiva-2019/

Cabin Crew agree terms on the same day Ryanair increase hugely services in Italy.
That equates to a lot of potential promotions for cabin crew and pilots.

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