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Fr McVerry supporting lessons in how to occupy properties

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    No.

    Because that's the going rate.
    If it's the rate you have an issue with then that's something to fix, by allowing more people to build, by allowing taller buildings, by relaxing the building codes that assume that every minimum wager should be going into a super-deluxe A1 rated home, etc etc.
    Just whinging about the price of it isn't going to do anything. Have a point to your whinge at least.

    You think it's 'whingeing' if professional young people in Dublin find it extremely difficult to buy family homes and are spending all their money on rent. Those students on the protest are attempting to bring real discussion to the issue. I think they have a point, you think they are 'whingeing'. Says a lot about you and your hopeless misunderstanding of this issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,748 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Protest is valid in a democracy. Worked well during the water charge protests.

    It did and I took part. However after the Joan Burton thing and the thug element got involved many protesters left.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    This is exactly the point. No one is being hurt really if vacant properties are being occupied, except it creates an issue for the landlords, security and gardai, and the government as part of the media backlash. When the government refuse to make a decent effort, at some stage people need to make enough stress for them that the easier solution is to solve the problem at hand rather than crushing protests

    The Rightist' on here and elsewhere would prefer to crack the heads of the protestors than actually God forbid tackle the issues being raised.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You clearly don't understand the concept of protest so.

    What are you actually on about?

    I know what a protest is, you don’t have to break the law to protest.

    You always throw in these ridiculous riddles like the one above that mean nothing just to confuse things.

    Waffle.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    spare us the outraged handwringing over any slight on the precious fr mcverry, who loves his platform and should be subject to the criticism that comes with it like anyone else we have to hear pontificating over the airwaves about how bad his flock have it and how good the rest of us have it.

    spare us the outraged handwringing over those who want houses but cant afford houses. we're all in that boat to some extent or another.

    spare us the outraged handwringing that we're not free after a days working to provide for ourselves and our contribution to the shared pot through taxation that we cant then hop up on a pedestal and go full mick collins on behalf of those that dont. if we all jacked it in to do that, as the criticisms seem to wish for us, would the 'unfortunates' be worse or better off?

    without taxation, tithe and charity flowing happily into the coffers of his cushy agency fr mcverry wouldnt be as much use as a single paye-subject working stiff. let his handwringers in this thread and let himself remember it.
    Spare us your Rightist snowflaking whingefest


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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Your own hand ringing done from the annoymintiy of a keyboard. Whereas McV is out there for your criticism.

    yes, i noted that he had his platform and must take the opprobrium as befits.

    whats your own name?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Spare us your Rightist snowflaking whingefest

    pity about ya that nobody can criticize yr hero or yr point without this level of response toots


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    It did and I took part. However after the Joan Burton thing and the thug element got involved many protesters left.


    They just done the sensible thing and refused to engage. The writing was on the wall when over 100k took to the streets .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    I know what a protest is, you don’t have to break the law to protest.


    More often than not you do. Non payment of water charges was breaking the law until the regime was scrapped and refunds were issued .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    whats your own name?


    You first hero.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    pity about ya that nobody can criticize yr hero or yr point without this level of response toots

    At least they're trying to do something about it by highlighting the issue. Your position appears to be to criticise people who are seeking to challenge the crazy situation that has developed re the cost of accommodation in this country. It appears to upset you that your Rightist'/conservative sensibilities are challenged. Pity about you snowflake.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    spare us the outraged handwringing over any slight on the precious fr mcverry, who loves his platform and should be subject to the criticism that comes with it like anyone else we have to hear pontificating over the airwaves about how bad his flock have it and how good the rest of us have it.

    spare us the outraged handwringing over those who want houses but cant afford houses. we're all in that boat to some extent or another.

    spare us the outraged handwringing that we're not free after a days working to provide for ourselves and our contribution to the shared pot through taxation that we cant then hop up on a pedestal and go full mick collins on behalf of those that dont. if we all jacked it in to do that, as the criticisms seem to wish for us, would the 'unfortunates' be worse or better off?

    without taxation, tithe and charity flowing happily into the coffers of his cushy agency fr mcverry wouldnt be as much use as a single paye-subject working stiff. let his handwringers in this thread and let himself remember it.
    The work he has done cannot be denied, to be fair.

    I am critical of him following today's stunt and other revelations but what he has done (unlike most people) to help people in extreme need (not freeloaders) should not be downplayed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭Church on Tuesday


    A lot of demonizing of this great man on this thread, it's quite something.

    Here is a man who has probably done more for homeless people in this country, specifically in the Capital, than any politician or indeed any government has or ever will likely do.

    You'd swear that the man is advocating a violent forceful takeover of properties that are long, long since vacant like he's some kind of guerrilla warfare general or something.

    This man has witnessed more messed up homeless situations and horror stories in a week than most folk on here would witness in a lifetime.

    Now, I'm no friend of the Catholic Church but in my opinion Fr. McVerry is a colossal human being and one of the few from that organisation that has actually got off his arse and done something for those in dire straits( and when I say dire straits I don't include wasters like that Cash woman), which is probably a good thing because, let's face it, most people don't give a toss about homeless people in this country anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,082 ✭✭✭duffman13


    That's one person (who incidentally, didn't even want to live in the city centre).

    Working people just want to be able to afford to live within reasonable distance of where they work.

    Cause and effect here. If you have as much social housing in Dublin at vastly subsidised rates from local authorities you are by extension making it more expensive for working class (I mean people who work low to medium paying jobs) people to afford to rent or buy within the 40km of the city.

    The days of housing social welfare dependant people close to family must now be over in my opinion. Why is it fair one person pays a mortgage and taxes but has to live an hour from there job while another person lives next door to your job and you subsidise their house and their social welfare payments. A national housing list and refusal of a property or two drops you to the back of the list.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Turnipman


    regardless of whether you are religious or not, maybe you believe in the historical Jesus and maybe you even admire him.

    If Jesus were alive today, would he be on the side of Peter McVerry, or would he be on the side of the property speculators, or even the Catholic Church?

    In my view, Peter McVerry is a man of unparallelled integrity in Irish public life. He deserves to be commended for his stance on the Frederick Street occupation. I suspect that (not unlike Jesus!), when this crisis has blown over and property-owners find that the communists haven't taken over after all, history will be on McVerry's side.

    Clearly your extensive study of the New Testament overlooked the bit where Jesus told Peter McVerry to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. (Matthew 22.15-22 or Mark 12.13-17 as you prefer).

    Methinks that McVerry will be going to Purgatory for a long time to purge his heresy. Maybe you'll meet him there!


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A lot of demonizing of this great man on this thread, it's quite something.

    Here is a man who has probably done more for homeless people in this country, specifically in the Capital, than any politician or indeed any government has or ever will likely do.

    You'd swear that the man is advocating a violent forceful takeover of properties that are long, long since vacant like he's some kind of guerrilla warfare general or something.

    This man has witnessed more messed up homeless situations and horror stories in a week than most folk on here would witness in a lifetime.

    Now, I'm no friend of the Catholic Church but in my opinion Fr. McVerry is a colossal human being and one of the few from that organisation that has actually got off his arse and done something for those in dire straits( and when I say dire straits I don't include wasters like that Cash woman), which is probably a good thing because, let's face it, most people don't give a toss about homeless people in this country anyways.

    Which makes his support of these “workshops” all the more bewildering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,453 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    This man has lost all credibility in my eye. Whatever your views on the housing situation, it’s never right to enter someone else’s property illegally. But teaching people how to do so is beyond belief.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/in-an-emergency-you-take-emergency-action-fr-mcverry-supports-take-back-the-city-workshops-on-occupying-vacant-buildings-37327369.html

    He never had any - he's an economic moron peddling dangerous sh;te and has been that way for many, many years.

    Why he's given any platforms mystifies me - he's better off ignored like a senile old fella.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,186 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    begbysback wrote: »
    "He said that the occupation of vacant buildings is fine, once there is no violence or damage to the property"

    Hes probably the only charity out there where you know your donation will go where intended.

    It makes news for homelessness which is his business - why wouldn't he support it?

    You do know in 2016 they employed 221 full time staff and carried out 861 training days in 2016.
    Each staff member receiving on average 3 days training.

    I actually would have thought that quite high for that number of staff.

    They have paid for 53 members of staff to attend a Certifcate in Homeless Prevention and Intervention programme from DCU over the last few years.

    They have reintroduced increments for longer serving staff and later in 2016 for newer members of staff.

    McVerry does not receive a salary or expenses according to annual report, but the CEO has a salary inline with HSE payscale and is aligned to point
    3 for a Director Regional Health Ofice post.
    They don't offer him car, fuel card or pay health insurance, but they do make a 16% employer contribution to the CEO’s defined contribution pension scheme.

    All salaries paid to staff of Peter McVerry Trust are in line with HSE pay scales.

    That is worrying enough.

    Now in 2016 they had funding of 17,728,773.
    State Funding accounted for 10,720,906
    and private/corporate donations and fundraising accounted for 7,007,867

    Expenditure came in at 17,711,609

    Total reserves came in at 11,033,131

    In 2015 they had fixed assets of 19,692,887, current assets of 3,634,325, current liabilities of 961,434 and long term liabilities of 1,181,044.

    They own over 200 properties.

    BTW their fundraising costs have been hovering at over 550,000 annually over the last couple of years.
    What exactly are the fundraising costs ?
    Are they paying people out on the street chugging ?
    Are they paying for media campaigns ?


    Most people's ideas of charity is misplaced.
    This is more like a business.

    And it is yet another example of the state paying someone else to deal with problems.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    DChancer wrote: »
    Total agree.
    I have long believed he is a part of the problem rather than the solution, loves to peddle the idea of the "entitlement" culture.

    The government set rules and they are followed.
    You can feel entitled all you like but unless FG/FF organise it, a feeling is all you'll have.
    Funny how people and parties who've never been in government get the blame for FF/FG policies.
    I'd say Noonan's Cerberus feel pretty entitled.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    The Constitution of this state includes a right to private property.
    The government should be enforcing this right.

    /occupy

    That clause is definitely an issue. Given the current situation, with the right re-wording on the table, I'm fairly sure an amendment would pass to dilute it in certain circumstances. But it'd take exceptionally brave politicians to go down road, sadly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    NIMAN wrote: »
    ... who are doing nothing illegal.

    If I buy a property in central Dublin, I can leave it lying empty for 100 years if I want.

    Unless the Gov changes laws of course. They are the ones to aim your vitriol at, not the owners of properties.

    That's the point of the protest, to try to help persuade the government to change that very law and to get more of the public on board with lobbying for it.

    Furthermore, just because you're legally allowed to do something, doesn't automatically mean that doing it doesn't make you an absolute scumbag who people have a legitimate case to protest against.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    He never had any - he's an economic moron peddling dangerous sh;te and has been that way for many, many years.

    Why he's given any platforms mystifies me
    Because he is one of the few people who has actually helped the very badly off - and for decades. I know he's not beyond criticism but people seem to be losing sight of his many positive achievements, which weren't easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    regardless of whether you are religious or not, maybe you believe in the historical Jesus and maybe you even admire him.

    If Jesus were alive today, would he be on the side of Peter McVerry, or would he be on the side of the property speculators, or even the Catholic Church?

    In my view, Peter McVerry is a man of unparallelled integrity in Irish public life. He deserves to be commended for his stance on the Frederick Street occupation. I suspect that (not unlike Jesus!), when this crisis has blown over and property-owners find that the communists haven't taken over after all, history will be on McVerry's side.

    Commandment says you’re wrong:

    “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor ANYTHING that is your neighbor’s.” (Exodus 20:17)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Because he is one of the few people who has actually helped the very badly off - and for decades. I know he's not beyond criticism but people seem to be losing sight of his many positive achievements, which weren't easy.

    He helped robber thieves junkies etc with money donated to his charity.

    **** him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,422 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Every vacant useable property left idle that is peacefully occupied highlights the issue further and pushes the government towards the inevitable action: a vacancy tax. That and severe short term letting restrictions will alleviate the current crisis in urban areas significantly.

    Then we need more building, more building upwards, metrolink to make living in North and South County Dublin more practical etc, etc. There are many aspects to this problem, but these direct actions are strongly highlighting issues that can be alleviated with straightforward legislation. It's a good and practical place to start.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Every vacant useable property left idle that is peacefully occupied highlights the issue further and pushes the government towards the inevitable action: a vacancy tax. That and severe short term letting restrictions will alleviate the current crisis in urban areas significantly.

    Then we need more building, more building upwards, metrolink to make living in North and South County Dublin more practical etc, etc. There are many aspects to this problem, but these direct actions are strongly highlighting issues that can be alleviated with straightforward legislation. It's a good and practical place to start.

    Have you a costing for this building from the government and where the money will come from?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    He never had any - he's an economic moron peddling dangerous sh;te and has been that way for many, many years.

    Why he's given any platforms mystifies me - he's better off ignored like a senile old fella.

    I never bought into the Peter McVerry "thing",but his gift was being in the right place at the right time,for the right media people.

    Thus he became the voice of "Homelessness",with little attention ever paid to those who lived near his facilities,and had to deal with the collateral that came along with them.

    If it's true dedication to a cause,and painstaking hard slogging you want,then look no further then Brother Kevin Crowley....

    http://www.capuchindaycentre.ie/Capuchin_Day_Centre_2013/Capuchin_Day_Centre_for_Homeless_People.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HGqiFKNick


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭n!ghtmancometh


    So, it’s ok to break into uninhabitable properties and refuse to leave? Would these properties be acceptable to homeless people if they were offered by Fr McVerry or any homeless organisation?

    It’s ok to teach people how to break into these dwellings and teach them how to avoid eviction?

    WOW.

    Considering the absolute crisis that is occurring, and the FG landlord led governments reluctance to tax vacant properties/sites that could be used for housing (like most sensible countries do) then yes. What is the alternative to focus people's attention? news reports and countless studies don't seem to be doing the trick to capture peoples attention.

    If we fail to remedy the problem now, we are setting future generations up for failure, and all the (costly) social and societal problems this entails. I don't think most people grasp how serious this issue is. Certainly those in power do not.


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    you're assuming everyone believes there is an "absolute crisis"

    perhaps you need to consider that lots of people at all levels simply disagree with the extent of this "absolute crisis" as well as disagreeing that the way to solve it, if it exists, is the way demonstrated this week by these eejits.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    jmayo wrote: »
    You do know in 2016 they employed 221 full time staff and carried out 861 training days in 2016.
    Each staff member receiving on average 3 days training.

    I actually would have thought that quite high for that number of staff.

    They have paid for 53 members of staff to attend a Certifcate in
    Homeless Prevention and Intervention programme from DCU over the last few years.

    They have reintroduced increments for longer serving staff and later in 2016 for newer members of staff.


    You seem to have all the figures, can you also add here the percentage of those employees which are maybe former homeless and are now employed by McVerry?
    jmayo wrote: »
    McVerry does not receive a salary or expenses according to annual report but the CEO has a salary inline with HSE payscale and is aligned to point
    3 for a Director Regional Health Ofice post.
    They don't offer him car, fuel card or pay health insurance but they do make a 16% employer contribution to the CEO’s defined contribution pension scheme.
    All salaries paid to staff of Peter McVerry Trust are in line with HSE pay scales.

    That is worrying enough.

    Really? ive yet to meet anyone in the private sector who has moved to public sector for the pay.
    jmayo wrote: »
    Now in 2016 they had funding of 17,728,773.
    State Funding accounted for 10,720,906
    and private/corporate donations and fundraising accounted for 7,007,867

    Expenditure came in at 17,711,609

    Total reserves came in at 11,033,131

    In 2015 they had fixed assets of 19,692,887, current assets of 3,634,325, current liabilities of 961,434 and long term liabilities of 1,181,044.

    They own over 200 properties.

    BTW their fundraising costs have been hovering at over 550,000 annually over the last couple of years.
    What exactly are the fundraising costs ?
    Are they paying people out on the street chugging ?
    Are they paying for media campaigns ?


    Most people's ideas of charity is misplaced.
    This is more like a business.

    And it is yet another example of the state paying someone else to deal with problems.

    All major charities are run like businesses - they are in the business of highlighting the need for something.

    Maybe its the states way of employing McVerry?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Considering the absolute crisis that is occurring, and the FG landlord led governments reluctance to tax vacant properties/sites that could be used for housing (like most sensible countries do) then yes. What is the alternative to focus people's attention? news reports and countless studies don't seem to be doing the trick to capture peoples attention.

    If we fail to remedy the problem now, we are setting future generations up for failure, and all the (costly) social and societal problems this entails. I don't think most people grasp how serious this issue is. Certainly those in power do not.

    FG landlord led government?

    Here we go again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    begbysback wrote: »
    You seem to have all the figures, can you also add here the percentage of those employees which are maybe former homeless and are now employed by McVerry?



    Really? ive yet to meet anyone in the private sector who has moved to public sector for the pay.



    All major charities are run like businesses - they are in the business of highlighting the need for something.

    Maybe its the states way of employing McVerry?

    Have we redifined the word charity aswell as homeless?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    Have we redifined the word charity aswell as homeless?

    Seems your perception needs some assistance so let me help you out there chief

    "Run like a business"

    Employing people, money incoming, money outgoing, assets, promoting/marketing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,562 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    begbysback wrote: »
    Seems your perception needs some assistance so let me help you out there chief

    "Run like a business"

    Employing people, money incoming, money outgoing, assets, promoting/marketing

    With the majority of the money incoming being incoming from the government. The same government the priest spends a lot of time giving out about. If they decided not fund him any more, it would be a good test of his business acumen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Why did he have to spend 1000's to remove them? What was he doing with the property that required it to be empty?

    You've heard of squatting and its effects on ownership, aye?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    You think it's 'whingeing' if professional young people in Dublin find it extremely difficult to buy family homes and are spending all their money on rent. Those students on the protest are attempting to bring real discussion to the issue. I think they have a point, you think they are 'whingeing'. Says a lot about you and your hopeless misunderstanding of this issue.

    Being "professional young" doesn't make them any less sub-prime, just as calling yourself a custodial engineer doesn't change the fact you sweep the halls.

    There is nothing wrong with being either, but they've been priced out in an open market, just as they should have been given our planning rules.
    Right now you cannot buy anything on the average industrial within an hours drive of city centre, any direction.
    Loosen the building regs, allow denser building and the less well off can afford stuff within the M50 with time, but it's patent ****ing nonsense to suggest you can mass-appropriate your way out of the problem.

    And yes, i do believe it to be whinging.

    "ah-bloo-bloo-waah, i can't afford premo **** 2 months outta college."

    Spare me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    jmayo wrote: »

    That is worrying enough.

    What's worrying enough? That they don't send staff on pointless training junkets and reserve the bulk of their training days and budget for new entries to their graduate programme or that their staff get paid in line with a scale developed to reflect the fact that they are educated to degree level in a very challenging field with unsociable hours and ongoing physical risk? If you think staff wages are too high, why do organisations like PMVT, Cope, Focus, Merchant's Quay, etc struggle to retain staff? Have a think about that one.
    jmayo wrote: »
    Now in 2016 they had funding of 17,728,773.
    State Funding accounted for 10,720,906
    and private/corporate donations and fundraising accounted for 7,007,867


    ...

    BTW their fundraising costs have been hovering at over 550,000 annually over the last couple of years.
    What exactly are the fundraising costs ?
    Are they paying people out on the street chugging ?
    Are they paying for media campaigns ?

    So their fund raising costs were 7% of their private/corporate contribution intake? Seems like the fund raising staff aren't doing a bad job there really. The expense going on paying the salaries of professional fundraisers, communications officers, lobbyists, running media campaigns, and running events.
    None of this is free, or even cheap, but they managed to raise 12.7 times their cost in the calendar year you singled out from private and corporate donations alone, topping up the government contributions by another approx 70%, providing 41% of the total running costs of the organisation.


    I'd suggest it's yourself who has no idea how charitable organisations operate, if you live in some lala-land where staff shouldn't be paid appropriately just because they work for a non-profit or charitable institution. I think you'll find it's another case of the government failing to properly fund essential services and relying on the good nature of private individuals and the CSR practices of private corporations to cover the shortfall.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    With the majority of the money incoming being incoming from the government. The same government the priest spends a lot of time giving out about. If they decided not fund him any more, it would be a good test of his business acumen.

    Less than 60% of their money coming from government with 100% of their spending going on providing services that the state has neglected since it's foundation. If successive FF/FG governments over the last 80 years hadn't been so utterly shambolic organisations like PVMT wouldn't need to exist at the level they currently do.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,683 ✭✭✭Subcomandante Marcos


    Turnipman wrote: »
    Clearly your extensive study of the New Testament overlooked the bit where Jesus told Peter McVerry to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. (Matthew 22.15-22 or Mark 12.13-17 as you prefer).

    Clearly you need to stop watching Faux News and American idiots who don't bother reading the bits before or after the quotes they mine for to use out of context.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Clearly you need to stop watching Faux News and American idiots who don't bother reading the bits before or after the quotes they mine for to use out of context.

    Because fox are all about paying taxes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭sheesh


    this thread is a complete mess!

    If occupying unused buildings in dublin gets the government to tax unused properties it will have been a worth while exercise.

    Dublin seems to have some infrastructure problems with regard to transport it is expensive and time consuming to get to the city centre from the commuter belts so transport links need to be improved. water infrastructure needs to be improved . and they need to build more houses apartment or flats along the commuter but not crappy ones like we did in the past or during the end of the boom.

    Everybody agrees that something needs to be done but we cannot agree what to do.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    sheesh wrote: »
    Everybody agrees that something needs to be done but we cannot agree what to do.

    +1

    I think we are agreed that we don't want to pay for it though:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,314 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    He said that the occupation of vacant buildings is fine, once there is no violence or damage to the property.
    ...
    A spokesperson for 'Take Back the City' told the Irish Independent that this will include means of barricading inside buildings, along with a number of other support mechanisms.
    How does one make a barricade without damaging the property?
    "I think one of the emergency actions the Government should take is to make it illegal to evict people into homelessness and to do that for a period of say three years, until we get to grips with this crisis.

    "In the absence of legislation like that, I think people are entitled to take whatever action they wish, again provided it's non-violent, there's no damage to property, to avoid evictions..
    If this came into affect, all illegal evictions would always contain masked men in the middle of the night.
    jmayo wrote: »
    Are they paying people out on the street chugging ?
    Chuggers used to get between a fifth and a third of their take. can be a nice weekend earner if have good people skills, and not annoying.
    jmayo wrote: »
    Most people's ideas of charity is misplaced.
    This is more like a business.
    If not ran like a business, how should it be ran?
    jmayo wrote: »
    And it is yet another example of the state paying someone else to deal with problems.
    It's also another example of duplicated resources. Having all homeless organisations under the one roof will cut down on duplicated resources.
    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Every vacant useable property left idle that is peacefully occupied highlights the issue further and pushes the government towards the inevitable action: a vacancy tax. That and severe short term letting restrictions will alleviate the current crisis in urban areas significantly.
    Is this vacancy tax just for houses, or offices as well? And if the latter, how will that work?
    (like most sensible countries do)
    What's the eviction process when the tenant fails to pay rent in these sensible countries?
    What was he doing with the property that required it to be empty?
    Possibly converting either the (now illegal) bedsits or offices into legal apartments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Saying the word "occupying" is akin to saying "undocumented Irish". The reality is that it's breaking and entering/trespassing, just like the "undocumented" are illegal immigrants.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,812 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Fr. McVerry is a well-meaning but ultimately mis-guided individual.

    I suspect he's being used by Murphy etc to fly their most extreme kites that would totally wipeout the couple of percentage points they're currently clinging to in the polls if they voiced them themselves.

    A useful idiot being used by the useless.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,640 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    CruelCoin wrote: »
    Being "professional young" doesn't make them any less sub-prime, just as calling yourself a custodial engineer doesn't change the fact you sweep the halls.

    There is nothing wrong with being either, but they've been priced out in an open market, just as they should have been given our planning rules.
    Right now you cannot buy anything on the average industrial within an hours drive of city centre, any direction.
    Loosen the building regs, allow denser building and the less well off can afford stuff within the M50 with time, but it's patent ****ing nonsense to suggest you can mass-appropriate your way out of the problem.

    And yes, i do believe it to be whinging.

    "ah-bloo-bloo-waah, i can't afford premo **** 2 months outta college."

    Spare me.
    You say they should do this and they should do that to make it more possible that young people can buy houses and rent while saving for mortgages within the M50. They're not doing that ("Loosen the building regs, allow denser building etc.") is the whole point.

    It doesn't matter if you think it is whingeing. If the protest gains enough traction and support then those in charge may finally get the finger out and do something about affordable accommodation in this country as well as taxing landlords who are sitting on vacant premises.

    Those involved in the protest are engaging with the issue and hoping to engage wider support, you'll just sit there and moan about them. You're the one that's whinging pal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    This neo-liberal Thatcherite free market ideology has utterly failed and the consequences are there for all to see.

    rent control
    local council rules regarding building heights
    ban on bedsits
    dual aspect apartments
    huge levies on landlords


    yet, its the 'free market' that is at fault.

    Right so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    The bang of fear and bitterness in here in unreal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭BBFAN


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    It appears those of a selfish mindset are in the majority on here which is sad

    Of course they are, by their very nature keyboard warriors are selfish, lazy and comfortable on their arses doing nothing and throwing criticism at a man who has worked to help others all his working life.

    I'm willing to bet half the contributors on boards in general do no more than 4 hours work a day because they spend the other 4 hours spouting bile and personal abuse online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    BBFAN wrote: »
    Of course they are, by their very nature keyboard warriors are selfish, lazy and comfortable on their arses doing nothing and throwing criticism at a man who has worked to help others all his working life.

    I'm willing to bet half the contributors on boards in general do no more than 4 hours work a day because they spend the other 4 hours spouting bile and personal abuse online.

    Hopefully you’ll find somewhere more appreciative of your brilliance.

    You have almost 400 posts in a month! :eek:


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