Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

anthonyjmaher · 07-09-2018 07:41AM

Surprised nobody else posted about that row between Kelly and Horan. No there are two women that do not like each other. Horan called Ciara Kelly on being afraid to say something that was not PC, when speaking about the overweight woman on the front of Cosmo. Ciara Kelly said that anybody speaking out against showing an obese woman on the cover of Cosmo was "fat shaming". I thought Niamh Horan would have won the argument hands down if she had asked the always self righteous Ciara Kelly "Doctor Kelly, if this woman arrived in to your GP's office, what would you advise her to do?".

meeeeh · 07-09-2018 09:41AM

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Surprised nobody else posted about that row between Kelly and Horan. No there are two women that do not like each other. Horan called Ciara Kelly on being afraid to say something that was not PC, when speaking about the overweight woman on the front of Cosmo. Ciara Kelly said that anybody speaking out against showing an obese woman on the cover of Cosmo was "fat shaming". I thought Niamh Horan would have won the argument hands down if she had asked the always self righteous Ciara Kelly "Doctor Kelly, if this woman arrived in to your GP's office, what would you advise her to do?".

And I thought Horan came across as complete moron with another version of 'what about the children' argument. I happen to agree with what Ciara Kelly was saying, not because she is Ciara Kelly but because I believe shunning overweight people out of public life won't make them any slimmer. I don't want to go into argument about it because I'm already arguing on the same subject in another thread. I also thought the arguments of the third panellist (I can't remember her name) were a bit weak. In this case I think own opinions on the subject influence who we think preformed better.

It wasnt me123 · 07-09-2018 01:48PM

I like talk back radio and I generally like most of what's on Newstalk but Ciara Kelly gets on my tits. Its like she's trying to turn into the female equivalent of Joe Duffy - all doom and gloom - and wanting listeners to ring in - its your job, entertain, don't wait on your listeners to do your job for you.

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2018 02:22PM

I'm gobsmacked with her little or no knowledge on headlice. For a GP I thought she'd known more about it and then for a doctor to treat lice even when they are not there is minder blowing to me. It's like taking antibiotics when you don't need them. Bacteria becomes immune to them. The more I think about it the more I'm thinking she must have been winding up the caller.

bloodless_coup · 07-09-2018 02:35PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm gobsmacked with her little or no knowledge on headlice. For a GP I thought she'd known more about it and then for a doctor to treat lice even when they are not there is minder blowing to me. It's like taking antibiotics when you don't need them. Bacteria becomes immune to them. The more I think about it the more I'm thinking she must have been winding up the caller.

With regards to all topics, she comes across more like a thick gossiping housewife than an educated qualified doctor.

It must be an act?

Tell me how · 07-09-2018 02:38PM

doylefe wrote: »

With regards to all topics, she comes across more like a thick gossiping housewife than an educated qualified doctor.

It must be an act?

Some things I like, some things I don't. Some topics I enjoy, some I don't.

But I think viewing her in this way says more about your perception than what she actually appears like on the radio.

jace_da_face · 07-09-2018 03:01PM

She does not strike me as being particularly bright. Surprising for one who is educated.

Example: Last week on the issue of gender quotas in politics, she went on to read out listener's texts and tweets that took the (sensible) view that enforcing such quotas for positions in cabinet etc. is not democratic. Her counter argument was that the evidence shows that when women run for office, they are equally as likely to get elected as men, on average. So therefore it is democratic. WTF?? So even though women are less likely to go into politics, we should enforce gender quotas because if more did run there would be a more even split. And that is democratic. ??

07-09-2018 03:14PM

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

I like talk back radio and I generally like most of what's on Newstalk but Ciara Kelly gets on my tits. Its like she's trying to turn into the female equivalent of Joe Duffy - all doom and gloom - and wanting listeners to ring in - its your job, entertain, don't wait on your listeners to do your job for you.

Really? I kinda have the opposite problem with the show! Maybe i have the wrong impression because I haven't had much of a chance to listen-in over the past few months, but my impression is that the content has been really watered-down recently.

I think CK deals very well with serious topics, especially healthcare, given her previous career. But lately I've been listening to her cover topics like a boob tax for brides, and the lack of baby changing-room facilities.

I think she can do a lot better than that, and it's not clear whether some producers have decided to turn the show into a tabloid version of Women's Hour, or what. CK seems like a really bright individual, is well able to handle serious content, and can cover her own arse in a debate. Why not let moncrieff do the wacky stuff, and let Lunchtime Live try and compete with the News At One?

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm gobsmacked with her little or no knowledge on headlice. For a GP I thought she'd known more about it and then for a doctor to treat lice even when they are not there is minder blowing to me. It's like taking antibiotics when you don't need them. Bacteria becomes immune to them. The more I think about it the more I'm thinking she must have been winding up the caller.

I actually had a disagreement with a pharmacy assistant about this recently! One of the kids in my daughter's childcare had headlice, so I wanted all of us in the house to be treated for headlice, as a precaution.

The pharmacy assistant said exactly what you said, but my point was that headlice aren't bacteria, you can't compare the treatment to antibiotics . You either have headlice or you don't. If you don't have them, resistance doesn't even arise.

Sorry for the minor derailment, not least because my head is getting itchy now:P

(Side note: i went instead to boots and exclaimed, "we all have headlice!" They weren't slow in handing over the goodies)

i71jskz5xu42pb · 07-09-2018 03:23PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The pharmacy assistant said exactly what you said, but my point was that headlice aren't bacteria, you can't compare the treatment to antibiotics . You either have headlice or you don't. If you don't have them, resistance doesn't even arise

HSE guidelines are to only treat when an infection is present. Not sure what the rationale for this recommendation is but that's the guideline.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/child/head-lice/guidelines-for-control-of-the-infection.pdf

7.3 Treatment of head lice infection: Principles
(i) Treatment should not be used as a preventive measure and should
only be used when an infection is present i.e. a living, moving louse is
seen
(ii) The correct use of the recommended treatments is the scientifically
confirmed way to treat head louse infection
(iii) Parents should be advised to promptly treat (at the same time) any
members of the family (including adults) who are infected (living,
moving louse present)
(iv) Parents should be advised to identify any other close contacts of the
child (where there would have been head-to-head contact) and inform
them to inspect hair, and treat immediately if a living, moving louse is
discovered

meeeeh · 07-09-2018 03:24PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I think CK deals very well with serious topics, especially healthcare, given her previous career. But lately I've been listening to her cover topics like a boob tax for brides, and the lack of baby changing-room facilities.

Yesterday's show was awful. The boob tax was none issue and the changing room thing was researched and prepared badly. I think Newstalk are suffering because of summer holidays a bit more than most. Yates has also some fairly nonsense stuff on to fill the programme too.

Sleeper12 · 07-09-2018 03:33PM

Tell me how wrote:

Some things I like, some things I don't. Some topics I enjoy, some I don't.

Me too.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

The pharmacy assistant said exactly what you said, but my point was that headlice aren't bacteria, you can't compare the treatment to antibiotics . You either have headlice or you don't. If you don't have them, resistance doesn't even arise.

They do become resistant to the treatment though in the exact same way professionals have to use stronger & stronger poison on rats in major cities. Ciara more or less admitted this on the radio today when it washed pointed out out to her.

Does anyone believe that a modern doctor thinks that lice can jump? Barry I think it's a windup

07-09-2018 04:13PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

They do become resistant to the treatment though in the exact same way professionals have to use stronger & stronger poison on rats in major cities.

Yeah, I can see how headlice could begin to resist insecticides if they're gradually being exposed to small amounts. But with the headlice treatment you buy over the counter, you only leave it in for ten minutes, then you wash it all out. If there are no lice anyway, the point seems moot.

The only way I can imagine a problem with resistance, is if you don't properly wash your hair out afterwards, and new lice then encounter trace amounts.

I'm clearly missing something here, because your point is backed up by the HSE for example, and the HSE aren't saying otherwise for the fun of it.

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 11:57AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Ah now. No point in calling in because something-something censorship!:mad::(:pac:

(despite the fact that talk-show radio thrives on controversial debate).

All callers were screened yesterday - I listened to the whole show driving to Galway. Not a chance you'd get through by saying "hi, yes I'd like to go on air with Ciara and debate her regarding her inability to chair a debate or properly interview a guest with impartiality. Additionally I'd like to discuss her misandristic leanings and feminist bias". Hence we got what we got yesterday - a film festival for 60 people in a Dublin suburb, Trump-baby hot air balloon, etc. etc. Light and fluffy nonsensical filler. Nothing too taxing for the audience, or the host.

The workplace bullying conversation had potential, but she's not the right person to handle it because she's not qualified to do so. The only advice she should be giving is to see a specialist in that area, her only input should be to refer the person who is being bullied to see a specialist.

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm gobsmacked with her little or no knowledge on headlice. For a GP I thought she'd known more about it and then for a doctor to treat lice even when they are not there is minder blowing to me. It's like taking antibiotics when you don't need them. Bacteria becomes immune to them. The more I think about it the more I'm thinking she must have been winding up the caller.

As I've said before, GPs are jack of all trades types. They know a little about a lot. Some on here would have you believe they are the most intelligent people on the planet though. They are not.

No doubt one of the usual suspects will now deliberately misquote me again on a previous comment I made about GPs but one thing I haven't ever declared on here previously is that I speak from a lot experience on this as there's more than 1 GP in my immediate family.

doylefe wrote: »

With regards to all topics, she comes across more like a thick gossiping housewife than an educated qualified doctor.

It must be an act?

It's not. She's likely book-smart or studied very hard - and was in the privileged position of being from a background that was able to support her during her studies (she spoke previously of living rent free in college living in a house her father or perhaps uncle owned near UCD - from memory). But I don't think there's all that much behind it. Don't confuse educated and qualified with true intelligence.

jace_da_face wrote: »

She does not strike me as being particularly bright. Surprising for one who is educated.

Example: Last week on the issue of gender quotas in politics, she went on to read out listener's texts and tweets that took the (sensible) view that enforcing such quotas for positions in cabinet etc. is not democratic. Her counter argument was that the evidence shows that when women run for office, they are equally as likely to get elected as men, on average. So therefore it is democratic. WTF?? So even though women are less likely to go into politics, we should enforce gender quotas because if more did run there would be a more even split. And that is democratic. ??

As per previous comment. I'm not having a go before her army of defenders come to attack me (again), but Ciara Kelly is not the smartest woman in the world. She's not stupid either before you go out of your way to misinterpret. She's, like most people, somewhere in the middle.

Just because you pass a set of exams doesn't necessarily make you intelligent.

meeeeh wrote: »

Yesterday's show was awful. The boob tax was none issue and the changing room thing was researched and prepared badly. I think Newstalk are suffering because of summer holidays a bit more than most. Yates has also some fairly nonsense stuff on to fill the programme too.

:eek: Wow. And admission that she isn't always totes amazeballs. Interesting.

Re. changing rooms, she has previous on this. She lost the rag one time on Breakfast when she was filling in on there when the DAA opened up a Feeding Room for parents in Dublin Airport. Firstly she went off on a rant about how dare they and mums should be able to breastfeed wherever they want etc. - Shame on them! etc. etc. They sent in a reply within minutes saying mothers were free to feed wherever they wanted in Dublin Airport but if any mother or indeed parent wanted to feed in privacy and in a quiet area, this new facility was available. Do you think she backtracked after taking it up the wrong way? Not a chance. She stuck to her guns and lambasted them.

Shane Coleman (I suspect acting the maggot) then asked her could men use the Feeding Room to feed their children and SHE SAID NO!!!!! Not just bonkers, but sexist too.

08-09-2018 12:21PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

All callers were screened yesterday - I listened to the whole show driving to Galway. Not a chance you'd get through by saying "hi, yes I'd like to go on air with Ciara and debate her regarding her inability to chair a debate or properly interview a guest with impartiality.

In fairness, if someone is coming on a show to attack the host's competence,it's obvious that they're not going to get airtime. Newstalk don't do much screening before they put anyone on the air; nor, probably, does any station, unless a caller is likely to raise issues of legal significance.

They operate on the basis that most people are fundamentally decent and callers are generally unlikely to attempt to launch some personal attack on the air.

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 01:10PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In fairness, if someone is coming on a show to attack the host's competence,it's obvious that they're not going to get airtime. Newstalk don't do much screening before they put anyone on the air; nor, probably, does any station, unless a caller is likely to raise issues of legal significance.

They operate on the basis that most people are fundamentally decent and callers are generally unlikely to attempt to launch some personal attack on the air.

So debate is a personal attack now?

08-09-2018 01:20PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

So debate is a personal attack now?

No, I referred to attacking her professional competence, not her personality.

The Live and Unscripted show is exactly that, live and unscripted; but nobody claims it is an unfiltered free-for-all for anyone who wants to join in. If someone wants to go on air and talk about their navel fluff, they probably won't get on air, and the same goes for someone whose intention is to undermine the competence of the host.

Newstalk is obviously a business, its aim is to increase listenership, not to provide a platform to undermine itself or its workers. Surely that's reasonable enough?

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 01:27PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No, I referred to attacking her professional competence, not her personality.

The Live and Unscripted show is exactly that, live and unscripted; but nobody claims it is an unfiltered free-for-all for anyone who wants to join in. If someone wants to go on air and talk about their navel fluff, they probably won't get on air, and the same goes for someone whose intention is to undermine the competence of the host.

Newstalk is obviously a business, its aim is to increase listenership, not to provide a platform to undermine itself or its workers. Surely that's reasonable enough?

Just to be clear, I never said "attack", nor any other such word with violent meaning or inference. Surely questioning however is not going beyond the pale in a "Live and Unscripted" show?

The reality in this case is "Live & Unscripted" is really "Live, heavily-screened and you'll only be allowed on air if you tick all of the following boxes and are on the same page as us etc. etc....".

As for no-one is claiming it's an unfiltered free-for-all for anyone who wants to join in......she said as much all week in the run up to the show. But we all know that isn't true.

08-09-2018 01:35PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The reality in this case is "Live & Unscripted" is really "Live, heavily-screened and you'll only be allowed on air if you tick all of the following boxes and are on the same page as us etc. etc....".

Only a handful of people work on the show, they don't have that kind of time on their hands. There is practically no screening of callers. Plenty of people who ring and text the show disagree with the host.

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 01:42PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Only a handful of people work on the show, they don't have that kind of time on their hands. There is practically no screening of callers. Plenty of people who ring and text the show disagree with the host.

I am aware of all of that. Yet we both know had I rang in yesterday and asked to discuss (let alone debate) her bias with her live on air I wouldn't have been allowed on.

BTW, I have text the show on multiple occasions offering viewpoints that disagree with the host's opinion or handling of a subject and not once have they been read out - and I was being as polite as I possibly could have been in my comments. I have sent far more scathing and dismissive comments to other shows on the same station with I would estimate a 90%+ airing rate.

#JustSaying

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 01:44PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Only a handful of people work on the show, they don't have that kind of time on their hands. There is practically no screening of callers. Plenty of people who ring and text the show disagree with the host.

You don't seem to be disagreeing with my thesis however that I wouldn't have been allowed on to discuss what I suggested? Not trying to put words into your mouth here but you haven't clarified so I'm unsure.

Sleeper12 · 08-09-2018 02:04PM

They wern't just screened though. Just about everyone that rang in had an agenda of some kind. Something they wanted to promote. What are the odds of that happening? I would expect at least one random call "hey I've got a fungal toe nail infection". Even the Trump Blimp was already covered on Pat Kenny or RTE the same day. That can't be random. All the callers had a time limit.

meeeeh · 08-09-2018 02:37PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

:eek: Wow. And admission that she isn't always totes amazeballs. Interesting.

Re. changing rooms, she has previous on this. She lost the rag one time on Breakfast when she was filling in on there when the DAA opened up a Feeding Room for parents in Dublin Airport. Firstly she went off on a rant about how dare they and mums should be able to breastfeed wherever they want etc. - Shame on them! etc. etc. They sent in a reply within minutes saying mothers were free to feed wherever they wanted in Dublin Airport but if any mother or indeed parent wanted to feed in privacy and in a quiet area, this new facility was available. Do you think she backtracked after taking it up the wrong way? Not a chance. She stuck to her guns and lambasted them.

Shane Coleman (I suspect acting the maggot) then asked her could men use the Feeding Room to feed their children and SHE SAID NO!!!!! Not just bonkers, but sexist too.

As someone who actually breastfed and changed nappies in the airports plenty of time I completely agree with Ciara that breastfeeding rooms are unnecessary nonsense and send the wrong message. However often more baby changing facilities are needed. Dublin is not the worst but I've been to airports where changing table is only in female toilets. I presume there are similar issues with other forms of travel. I thought the segment she had was poorly prepared not that it wasn't relevant. Bf rooms though don't even deserve discussion.

As for callers and texts someone going on about feminazis and amazeballs (what does that even mean) or whatever is not something I and I suspect most people would want to listen to.

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 04:17PM

meeeeh wrote: »

As someone who actually breastfed and changed nappies in the airports plenty of time I completely agree with Ciara that breastfeeding rooms are unnecessary nonsense and send the wrong message. However often more baby changing facilities are needed. Dublin is not the worst but I've been to airports where changing table is only in female toilets. I presume there are similar issues with other forms of travel. I thought the segment she had was poorly prepared not that it wasn't relevant. Bf rooms though don't even deserve discussion.

As for callers and texts someone going on about feminazis and amazeballs (what does that even mean) or whatever is not something I and I suspect most people would want to listen to.

Well the female texters and tweeters who tweeted the show that morning would disagree with you (and Ciara). They welcomed the rooms - note: they were feeding rooms and not breastfeeding (solely) rooms - as much for the quiet area and space away from the general busier areas of the airport. Some stated they didn’t have the confidence to breastfeed in public. While it’s great that you clearly have same, I don’t think it’s your place to say all women should feel this way. If they are uncomfortable doing do and a facility is provided to breastfeed in private, why is that a problem? Are they not allowed to have that? Or do you and Ciara speak for all women with your assertion that “breastfeeding rooms don’t deserve discussion”?

You know exactly what “amazeballs” means as a regular Ciara listener. She uses it often enough herself!

Tell me how · 08-09-2018 04:30PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

You know exactly what “amazeballs” means as a regular Ciara listener. She uses it often enough herself!

You seem to know everything she says for someone who never listens to the show.

It's very tedious. Just admit you listen to it and enjoy it or listen to it just to complain.

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 05:15PM

Tell me how wrote: »

You seem to know everything she says for someone who never listens to the show.

It's very tedious. Just admit you listen to it and enjoy it or listen to it just to complain.

Focus on that why don’t you and ignore the more substantive parts of my comments. Predictable behaviour from the fan club members.

I don’t listen to the show regularly; but I have listened to it on occasion (yesterday for example), or have listened back to it depending on what I’ve read on the thread. I didn’t realise I had to listen everyday to comment on the show......:rolleyes:

I certainly wouldn’t say I enjoy it, nor do I listen to it to complain about it or the host. That said, were I to listen to it solely for things to complain about I’d have plenty of ammunition.

Why do you listen and defend her so much?

ButtersSuki · 08-09-2018 05:18PM

meeeeh wrote: »

As someone who actually breastfed and changed nappies in the airports plenty of time I completely agree with Ciara that breastfeeding rooms are unnecessary nonsense and send the wrong message. However often more baby changing facilities are needed. Dublin is not the worst but I've been to airports where changing table is only in female toilets. I presume there are similar issues with other forms of travel. I thought the segment she had was poorly prepared not that it wasn't relevant. Bf rooms though don't even deserve discussion.

As for callers and texts someone going on about feminazis and amazeballs (what does that even mean) or whatever is not something I and I suspect most people would want to listen to.

And again, for someone who stated just a few days ago that you didn’t care what I thought about her you’re back out flying the flag in her defence again. At this stage I’d say she could literally say anything and you’d find a way to justify it.

08-09-2018 06:21PM

Guys cut out the carping please.

Also, a reminder not to resort to "if you don't like it why do you listen?"-type comments. Radio forum threads are for all listeners, not just fans. Feel welcome to express positive or negative reviews, but stay civil.

Tell me how · 10-09-2018 11:02AM

I'm going out on a limb here but I suspect that there's a small chance that Sandi and Serena might be covered on the show today.

Just a chance mind. Don't go betting on it.

;);)

meeeeh · 10-09-2018 11:36AM

Pat has something about Serena I think. (I'm a bit behind on Tune in so it could be already on). But yeah I think it could feature.

ButtersSuki · 10-09-2018 03:17PM

Wasn't able to listen to radio at all today yet. Has anyone covered the Serena Williams ouburst? Most (not all) mainstream US Sports Media are handling it with a very large pair of padded gloves given the race and sex of the protagonist. It's cowardly tbh.

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