Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

meeeeh

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Don't forget Pat Kenny moved from RTE so you have to assume that he is on more money with Newstalk than RTE

Pat is different. The whole 'move the dial' promotion was designed to coincide with his move. He was supposed to be the big audience mover. I think his listenership numbers are a lot higher than Tom Dunne' s were for the same slot but not as high as it was hoped.

Tom Dunne never actually had huge audience share. So I very much doubt he is in strong negotiating position. I think Moncrieff is very good but probably wrong age and gender to be interesting to RTE.

Pat is in completely different position to other presenters, I think Newstalk are struggling a bit so I don't believe their presenters earn anything near RTE wages.

Tell me how

meeeeh wrote: »

Tom Dunne never actually had huge audience share. So I very much doubt he is in strong negotiating position. I think Moncrieff is very good but probably wrong age and gender to be interesting to RTE.

I'm not suggesting that Tom Dunne would demand a high day time radio listnership comparable to the big hitters but I suspect that he would attract at least as much as Dave Fanning would have some years ago and therefore could have expected a similar salary. Dave apparently earned €171K in 2001!

It's a moot point. Both seem very comfortable with Newstalk.

ButtersSuki

maxwell smart wrote: »

I'd say she is on around 70k. She probably has a locum into her practice so is still earning there. I would also imagine she's not a Newstalk employee but a contractor. So she is still self-employed. So probably claiming lots of expenses to do with the job (all perfectly legal). She also does a column in the paper, maybe getting €500 a pop. Is she still on operation transformation?
So I'm sure she's not short of a few quid and the work / life balance is better I'd say.
But commercial radio is nowhere as near well paid as RTE

You are seriously underestimating what she’s taking from the Indo and Newstalk if you think that’s what they pay (and I’m using this term loosely) “celebrities”.

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

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I think Newstalk are struggling a bit so I don't believe their presenters earn anything near RTE wages.

They are a little but it’s all relative.

Whilst “the talent” in Newstalk aren’t on the ridiculous RTÉ levels of compensation they’re not on peanuts either.

ButtersSuki

ButtersSuki wrote: »

You are seriously underestimating what she’s taking from the Indo and Newstalk if you think that’s what they pay (and I’m using this term loosely) “celebrities”.

i'm not so sure Butters, remember once when Vincent Browne said (after some politician challenged him on air) that he was paid 60k per year for doing The Tonight Show? And although his ratings were wildly erratic, his show was often one of the most-watched political shows on TV at that time.

This is such a small island that I can't imagine people get paid big bucks for writing articles or even hosting their own radio show, unless they work for RTÉ!

Loves_lorries

maxwell smart wrote: »

I'd say she is on around 70k. She probably has a locum into her practice so is still earning there. I would also imagine she's not a Newstalk employee but a contractor. So she is still self-employed. So probably claiming lots of expenses to do with the job (all perfectly legal). She also does a column in the paper, maybe getting €500 a pop. Is she still on operation transformation?
So I'm sure she's not short of a few quid and the work / life balance is better I'd say.
But commercial radio is nowhere as near well paid as RTE

She must be an attention Junkie as a Gp would be on far more than 70k.

Loves_lorries

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm not suggesting that Tom Dunne would demand a high day time radio listnership comparable to the big hitters but I suspect that he would attract at least as much as Dave Fanning would have some years ago and therefore could have expected a similar salary. Dave apparently earned €171K in 2001!

It's a moot point. Both seem very comfortable with Newstalk.

Fanning is pretty good when he stands in for tubridy, can challenge guests, Tom dunne is too nice and inoffensive to challenge a budgee.

Drifter50

Can`t imagine any commercial news / media organisation looking at the kind of listenership figures and revenue potential from advertising in the real world would be looking at paying the like of Moncrieff or Yates or Matt Cooper more than 70/80 tops. Pat Kenny is a different animal and the RTE salaries are just not relevant

I remember Tom Dunne had the 9am to midday slot on Today FM in 2009 at the time of Obama`s inauguration when he wore me out with his continual gushing praise " What a man, what a man" He did`nt cut it then and would`nt cut it now.

Is Anton Savage persona non grata everywhere now ?

ButtersSuki

Drifter50 wrote: »

Can`t imagine any commercial news / media organisation looking at the kind of listenership figures and revenue potential from advertising in the real world would be looking at paying the like of Moncrieff or Yates or Matt Cooper more than 70/80 tops. Pat Kenny is a different animal and the RTE salaries are just not relevant

You're not in the real world yourself if that's what you think they're on.



Both would be on a multiple of your estimated figures....and I'm not talking x2.


For context, Ray D'Arcy was on more in Today FM than he is on in RTÉ - and he's on €500,000 a year in RTÉ.


Yates is on drivetime on Newstalk. It's essentially the flagship show (though Kenny is without doubt more of a "name").



Cooper is on drivetime on Roday FM, again essentially the flagship show. He's not on €70-80K after 15 years of hosting it, he's on a multiple of that.

Drifter50 wrote: »

Is Anton Savage persona non grata everywhere now ?

Thankfully. He certainly within Communicorp Towers, but given his familial links to RTÉ and his lovely mother I'm sure he'll pop up again soon. Too soon.

sligojoek

ButtersSuki wrote: »

You're not in the real world yourself if that's what you think they're on.



Both would be on a multiple of your estimated figures....and I'm not talking x2.


For context, Ray D'Arcy was on more in Today FM than he is on in RTÉ - and he's on €500,000 a year in RTÉ.


Yates is on drivetime on Newstalk. It's essentially the flagship show (though Kenny is without doubt more of a "name").



Cooper is on drivetime on Roday FM, again essentially the flagship show. He's not on €70-80K after 15 years of hosting it, he's on a multiple of that.






Thankfully. He certainly within Communicorp Towers, but given his familial links to RTÉ and his lovely mother I'm sure he'll pop up again soon. Too soon.

He pops up with Sean O Rourke now and again to talk about cars.

meeeeh

I see quite a few here have inside knowledge of earnings in Newstalk.

While I am sure presenters are well paid, especially Kenny and Yates the amounts are pure speculation. Hundreds of thousands are mentioned like it is monopoly money. In sector which is loosing advertising revenue, on radio station nobody wants to buy and in a group that recorded loses in 2016 and before.

I have no idea how high or low wages are but this is not public sector free for all, money has to be earned first.

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

I see quite a few here have inside knowledge of earnings in Newstalk.

While I am sure presenters are well paid, especially Kenny and Yates the amounts are pure speculation. Hundreds of thousands are mentioned like it is monopoly money. In sector which is loosing advertising revenue, on radio station nobody wants to buy and in a group that recorded loses in 2016 and before.

I have no idea how high or low wages are but this is not public sector free for all, money has to be earned first.

Cooper works for Today FM. D’Arcy worked for Today FM and was on more than the €500,000 he “earns” from RTÉ. I’m not saying Cooper is on €500,000 or more, but he’s most certainly not on €80K and he’s very much closer to the former than the latter. Even to use your crude analysis advertising revenue-based model ads on The Last Word would be more expensive than the slot D’Arcy held and would I assume take in more revenue (they don’t release as. revenue figures by show so who knows what each show generates). I’ve bought radio advertising for years as part of my job so I do have some experience in this area and am not wildly speculating like others on here.

As for your assertion that all money has to be earned before being paid out.....you are aware of who the owner of both Today FM and Newstalk is, right? And you are aware he previously paid €1m a year for several years (10 from memory) to top up the Irish Football Team’s Manager’s salary? He can and does run the radio branch(es) of his business as he pleases. They actually don’t need to be profitable as there are other ways of mitigating such losses across the wider group. And of course there is a price that some consider worth paying to control the media.

meeeeh

ButtersSuki wrote: »

As for your assertion that all money has to be earned before being paid out.....you are aware of who the owner of both Today FM and Newstalk is, right? And you are aware he previously paid €1m a year for several years (10 from memory) to top up the Irish Football Team’s Manager’s salary? He can and does run the radio branch(es) of his business as he pleases. They actually don’t need to be profitable as there are other ways of mitigating such losses across the wider group. And of course there is a price that some consider worth paying to control the media.

Yes I'm aware Dennis O'Brien paid for Trapattoni's contract, as I am aware that the poured in about 7m into Cummunicorp in 2016. But I'm also aware he is trying to sell Newstalk for a while now, the whole mess around Irish Independent partly resulted from that. I'm also aware two presenters for drivetime programme were replaced by one which would suggest Yates is well paid but there are budget constraints.

Like you I'm speculating unlike you I don't have enough belief into my opinions to present them like fact. Btw d'Arcy is on 400k.

Loves_lorries

meeeeh wrote: »

I see quite a few here have inside knowledge of earnings in Newstalk.

While I am sure presenters are well paid, especially Kenny and Yates the amounts are pure speculation. Hundreds of thousands are mentioned like it is monopoly money. In sector which is loosing advertising revenue, on radio station nobody wants to buy and in a group that recorded loses in 2016 and before.

I have no idea how high or low wages are but this is not public sector free for all, money has to be earned first.

Matt Cooper is the second biggest name at newstalk - today fm after pat Kenny, Cooper is on circa 300 k, Yates is on about 200k, Moncrief the same. Suspect ciara Kelly on around 150 but not sure about her.

It's amazing how listeners are such creatures of habit, pat Kenny is an infinitely better broadcaster than Sean o rourke yet because he's at rte, has twice as many listeners.

Tell me how

Loves_lorries wrote: »

Matt Cooper is the second biggest name at newstalk - today fm after pat Kenny, Cooper is on circa 300 k, Yates is on about 200k, Moncrief the same. Suspect ciara Kelly on around 150 but not sure about her.

Can I ask, where did you get these figures from?

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes I'm aware Dennis O'Brien paid for Trapattoni's contract, as I am aware that the poured in about 7m into Cummunicorp in 2016. But I'm also aware he is trying to sell Newstalk for a while now, the whole mess around Irish Independent partly resulted from that. I'm also aware two presenters for drivetime programme were replaced by one which would suggest Yates is well paid but there are budget constraints.

Like you I'm speculating unlike you I don't have enough belief into my opinions to present them like fact. Btw d'Arcy is on 400k.

Back to attempting to put words into my mouth again and deliberately misquoting me I see? I didn’t present anything as fact. It’s an opinion, and given my line of work and the people I engage with professionally I’d imagine a more informed one than yours tbh - no offence intended, just stating a fact, sorry opinion.

The €500,000 figure was a typo - apologies, I’m on the phone. The €400,000 figure is I’m sure you’re aware 3 years out of date now and has (given RTɒs previous on these matters) more than likely increased.

meeeeh

ButtersSuki wrote: »

The €500,000 figure was a typo - apologies, I’m on the phone.

You might want to look into a new phone, you made same typo at least twice.

Loves_lorries

Loves_lorries wrote: »

She must be an attention Junkie as a Gp would be on far more than 70k.

or, y'know, maybe she's doing a job she loves?!

One of the greatest cods of economic science is the notion that human beings are economically motivated or, to be more specific, mainly so.

But if that were the case, most leaving cert students would be going for jobs in IT. Whereas they're mainly pursuing courses in the humanities, so much so that it's almost cause for concern!

You can tell when someone loves their job, and whether you like her broadcasting style or not (personally, I do) Ciara Kelly sounds to me like she enjoys every moment of her show. Fair play to her. She doesn't exactly strike me as an ego maniac.

meeeeh

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

or, y'know, maybe she's doing a job she loves?!

One of the greatest cods of economic science is the notion that human beings are economically motivated or, to be more specific, mainly so.

But if that were the case, most leaving cert students would be going for jobs in IT. Whereas they're mainly pursuing courses in the humanities, so much so that it's almost cause for concern!

You can tell when someone loves their job, and whether you like her broadcasting style or not (personally, I do) Ciara Kelly sounds to me like she enjoys every moment of her show. Fair play to her. She doesn't exactly strike me as an ego maniac.

I think she mentioned once she likes career change. I don't think t was done for money, if anything she would have earnings security as GP while radio presenters are in more precarious position and depending on listenership numbers.

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

You might want to look into a new phone, you made same typo at least twice.

As gracious as ever I see? Of course you ignore (as per usual) almost all of the other points made in the post......:rolleyes:

I’m also sure you’re aware that D’Arcy’s salary in RTÉ was widely reported as being €500,000. So perhaps it was part actual typo, part a subconscious typo re. same. Either way I’ve conceded I was factually incorrect.

ButtersSuki

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

or, y'know, maybe she's doing a job she loves?!

One of the greatest cods of economic science is the notion that human beings are economically motivated or, to be more specific, mainly so.

But if that were the case, most leaving cert students would be going for jobs in IT. Whereas they're mainly pursuing courses in the humanities, so much so that it's almost cause for concern!

You can tell when someone loves their job, and whether you like her broadcasting style or not (personally, I do) Ciara Kelly sounds to me like she enjoys every moment of her show. Fair play to her. She doesn't exactly strike me as an ego maniac.

She certainly loves the sound of her own voice, no argument from me on that.

As for egomaniac, let’s agree to disagree on that.

ButtersSuki

meeeeh wrote: »

I think she mentioned once she likes career change. I don't think t was done for money, if anything she would have earnings security as GP while radio presenters are in more precarious position and depending on listenership numbers.

She still owns her GP practice. She will have a recurring income stream from that.

meeeeh

ButtersSuki wrote: »

As gracious as ever I see? Of course you ignore (as per usual) almost all of the other points made in the post......:rolleyes:

I’m also sure you’re aware that D’Arcy’s salary in RTÉ was widely reported as being €500,000. So perhaps it was part actual typo, part a subconscious typo re. same. Either way I’ve conceded I was factually incorrect.

I didn't think there was anything else to reply to. You are right I have no relevant experience. In my previous life I knew a lot of radio presenters, worked with radio stations on advertising but all except one not in this country.

I'm not aware what numbers were reported in your knowledgeable circles, I just know that the one reported by RTE was 400.

Tell me how

ButtersSuki wrote: »

As for egomaniac, let’s agree to disagree on that.

See this all the time.

When a presenter is impartial, they're accused of trying to keep everyone happy or of being bland.
They have an opinion, they're an egomaniac.

ButtersSuki

Tell me how wrote: »

See this all the time.

When a presenter is impartial, they're accused of trying to keep everyone happy or of being bland.
They have an opinion, they're an egomaniac.

Wow, that’s some leap you’ve made there....

Repeat after me:
Ciara Kelly will not be criticised! She is perfect!

Tell me how

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Wow, that’s some leap you’ve made there....

Repeat after me:
Ciara Kelly will not be criticised! She is perfect!

It's hardly a leap. It's the drum you've been banging since her show started.

And just to be on the record for stating the obvious. She's far from perfect, but her show can be entertaining, she invites input from public (sometimes she gives over the whole show to what the public wants to discuss) and she actually states things like "I'm probably in the minority" or " many might disagree with me".

Lads this is veering into the personal now.

Let's get back to talking about Ciara Kelly. It's all about hur!

Tell me how

Ok then.


She's far from perfect, but her show can be entertaining, she invites input from public (sometimes she gives over the whole show to what the public wants to discuss) and she actually states things like "I'm probably in the minority" or " many might disagree with me".

anthonyjmaher

More man bashing today. For a change.

meeeeh

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

More man bashing today. For a change.

I'm only half listening but are you talking about harassment of joggers by scum?