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So who's going to see the Pope?

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    #2882
    Dannyriver
    Registered Users Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Dannyriver


    billyhead wrote: »
    So much bitterness on this thread against the church
    It was a very small minority of priests whom abused their position. You would swear they were all at it the way some clowns here go on.

    You just don't/refuse to get it do you. The issue is now less with the small minority of priests its with the hierarchy moving them on to different dioceses to do the same to other children rather than turning them in. The issue is the cover up not necessarily the deed. I hope that makes it clearer for you.


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    #2883
    Graces7
    Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    "Where two or three are gathered in My Name I am with them." Jesus Christ . I was there in spirit on RTE and it was a magnificent, joyful and uplifting occasion. I wish I could have been there in person. There were crowds there, wonderful crowds. Great numbers.

    At Knock, earlier, there were 45,000, a capacity attendance... strong sincere folk with joy in their hearts; lots of families.

    The atmosphere was sheer joy and sincere.

    Please excuse me now? Very, very unwell but happy at the day. So over and out from here.


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    #2884
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,750 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    billyhead wrote: »
    So much bitterness on this thread against the church
    It was a very small minority of priests whom abused their position. You would swear they were all at it the way some clowns here go on.

    Small number ?

    How will we know we never properly investigated and the church is actively destroying documents even up to today.


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    #2885
    harr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭harr


    Allinall wrote: »
    Who’s going to fire him?
    No body will fire him ...he will slip away into the night with the excuse of ill health or the likes..


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    #2886
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Allinall wrote: »
    Who’s going to fire him?

    God?sure hes real isnt he?


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    #2887
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,396 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Dannyriver wrote: »
    Dont forget also that 400000 turned up in Limerick

    350000 in Drogeda

    300000 in Galway

    450 000 at Knock

    Plus 750 000 lined the streets of Dublin on his way back from Drogeda

    These are recorded facts.

    https://youtu.be/3f6YPyc_OuI


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    #2888
    Irish Kings
    Registered Users Posts: 494 ✭✭Irish Kings


    Allinall wrote: »
    No it wasn’t.

    Residents were able to come and go as they pleased.

    no they were not, they were made prisoners in their own homes


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    #2889
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    Tzardine wrote: »
    road_high wrote: »
    That’s brutal if true

    In 79, over 1 million people turned up. About 35%  of the whole country.

    If it is 130,000 today then thats 2.7%, and that includes everybody involved in the event.

    That says it all really. What would it be in another 40 years when the current group of older people die off. The Pope could probably not fill a Starbucks then.
    Haha. Shocking from the Catholic Church.


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    #2890
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Graces7 wrote: »
    "Where two or three are gathered in My Name I am with them." Jesus Christ . I was there in spirit on RTE and it was a magnificent, joyful and uplifting occasion. I wish I could have been there in person. There were crowds there, wonderful crowds. Great numbers.

    At Knock, earlier, there were 45,000, a capacity attendance... strong sincere folk with joy in their hearts; lots of families.

    The atmosphere was sheer joy and sincere.

    Please excuse me now? Very, very unwell but happy at the day. So over and out from here.

    I hope you said a few prayers that the church will stop covering up the sexual abuse of children while you watched the "joy" of the occasion.


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    #2891
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Graces7 wrote: »
    .

    Please excuse me now? Very, very unwell but happy at the day.

    Think you might need to get that fever checked, you seem delerious.


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    #2892
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    RTE not mentioning the numbers, just thousands. And suggesting a bit hit rather than relative tumble weed.


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    #2893
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,568 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Irish Kings wrote: »
    no they were not, they were made prisoners in their own homes

    My experience, and that of my neighbours would make your claim rubbish.

    What are you basing your spurious claim on?


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    #2894
    harr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭harr


    billyhead wrote: »
    So much bitterness on this thread against the church
    It was a very small minority of priests whom abused their position. You would swear they were all at it the way some clowns here go on.
    Small numbers, current scandals in the US has numbers at over 300 priests in a small enough area. Go look at the list of convicted brothers and priests in Ireland currently available on line. That list is only a drop in the ocean of what was actually going on.


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    #2895
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    harr wrote: »
    Small numbers, current scandals in the US has numbers at over 300 priests in a small enough area. Go look at the list of convicted brothers and priests in Ireland currently available on line. That list is only a drop in the ocean of what was actually going on.

    And god help all those poorer catholic countries globally where the church still has all the power. Rampant abuse still going on.


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    #2896
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    billyhead wrote:
    So much bitterness on this thread against the church It was a very small minority of priests whom abused their position. You would swear they were all at it the way some clowns here go on.


    Small amount of priests but the whole of the Catholic Church covered it up. Moving the small amount of priests allowing the number they abuse to double & triple.

    It's a cop out saying only a few priests when they all covered it up & still trying to cover it up even today despite the popes words


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    #2897
    Sleeper12
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    Harry Palmr wrote:
    RTE not mentioning the numbers, just thousands. And suggesting a bit hit rather than relative tumble weed.

    They are saving it for later. When the pope goes home rte will have debate programs on where did it all go wrong. RTE will milk this story all week.


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    #2898
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    I'm all for a Papal visit, and living near the PP, but one thing I didn't take into account is that I can't get a Chinese tonight, none of them are delivering.


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    #2899
    Sarn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Sarn


    Sour Lemonz wrote: »
    500,000 places, only 130,000 turn up, guess those of us protesting this event have struck a major success.

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pope-visit-ireland-dublin-15074489

    In fairness, I would primarily attribute the reduced numbers to apathy, disillusionment with the church and poor weather. No doubt protesting also played a part, although it’s not something that I was aware of.


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    #2900
    Discodog
    Registered Users Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Small amount of priests but the whole of the Catholic Church covered it up. Moving the small amount of priests allowing the number they abuse to double & triple.

    It's a cop out saying only a few priests when they all covered it up & still trying to cover it up even today despite the popes words

    A good priest covering for a bad priest is worse than the bad one because he allows the abuse to continue. Pedophiles may have some excuse, the rest that allowed it don't.


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    #2901
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Sky News: Francis faces call to resign over abuse cover-up claim

    https://news.sky.com/story/amp/pope-in-ireland-francis-faces-call-to-resign-over-abuse-cover-up-claim-11483048?__twitter_impression=true

    This isn't going to go away.


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    #2902
    razorblunt
    Registered Users Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Who's this woman doing the news? It's like someone's Mam is doing it.


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    #2903
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users Posts: 16,929 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Discodog wrote:
    A good priest covering for a bad priest is worse than the bad one because he allows the abuse to continue. Pedophiles may have some excuse, the rest that allowed it don't.


    They are all bad to the extent that they had a legal & moral responsibility to report, report, report. The ones covering it up should be in jail


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    #2904
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users Posts: 6,082 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    I have just read on Independent.ie that Pope Francis was not aware of the mother and baby homes and the savagery therein until he met the survivors yesterday evening.


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    #2905
    amdublin
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Slattsy wrote: »
    I'm all for a Papal visit, and living near the PP, but one thing I didn't take into account is that I can't get a Chinese tonight, none of them are delivering.

    The Halfway House is open. Walk up for a carvery!


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    #2906
    Discodog
    Registered Users Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    The catholic ethos that you can do what you like as long as you repent & seek forgiveness is carte blanche to abusers.


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    #2907
    amdublin
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    Allinall wrote: »
    My experience, and that of my neighbours would make your claim rubbish.

    What are you basing your spurious claim on?

    I went to school right beside the PP. Many of my school friends live there with their kids now. They are all over Facebook giving out about the situation


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    #2908
    EdgeCase
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭EdgeCase


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    Wrong, every nun and priest in the country knew there were bad things going on the the laundries and industrial schools. They're all guilty of doing nothing

    How the hell anyone in their right mind could have thought what was going on in industrial schools and the laundries was right is beyond comprehension. They’re were gulags, plain and simple

    Then you’d the mother and baby homes - where do you even start with that? Abuses, forced adoptions, child trafficking, huge mortality rates...

    Then the clerical child abuse itself and it was compounded by coverups.

    How anyone who knew what these things were and what was going on could stand idly by and let people suffer like that is just beyond me.

    Of course people are bitter towards the church. You’d have to do an incredible amount of mental and moral gymnastics not to be!


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    #2909
    Discodog
    Registered Users Posts: 15,849 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    I have just read on Independent.ie that Pope Francis was not aware of the mother and baby homes and the savagery therein until he met the survivors yesterday evening.

    He's either a liar or has deliberately avoided the news


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    #2910
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,295 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Sour Lemonz wrote: »
    Me deluded ? :rolleyes:

    There were 500,000 spaces and only 130,000 showed up, we definitely contributed to that. the only deluded folks are the ones who support this corrupt organisation.

    Sorry I read your post as being some apologist for the church desperately spinning that the missing 370k was entirely down to a few objectors taking a few tickets


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    #2911
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXI3po8hK0


    G'luck Popey. I don't think you're a bad bastard really, you just don't seem to be doing much to fix what's broken.


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