So who's going to see the Pope?

Mint Sauce

So free tickets became available this morning for the Popes visit to Knock and The Phoenix Park, with Knock already filling its allocation, he must really say a great Mass.

I'm going, didn't get Knock, but did get Phoenix Park. I'm not an overlly religious person, I pick and choose want I want to believe from the bible, I believe that this life we have is not the end. I dont go to Mass every week, I am the Christmas, Weddings, and Funerals kinda person, might only recieve once a year. I have my morals, and know what is right and wrong.

I have issue with some of the stuff has done in the past, the abuse and treatment of our children, the cover ups, even my home parishs invitation to Youth Defence, which nearly wanted to make me leave the Church mid Mass, but was sitting with my Gran, so would have not looked right, and me making up a lie to her.

But this even interests me, not sure if it is the event junkie, and to say that I was there, or as as the leader of my faith, and to say I was there, more leaning towards that one. I seen Pope John Paul on his English visit back in the early 80s, only remember him waving from his balcony, hopefully as an adult, even with my religious laspes, I hope to appreciate this visit more.

I would like to think those who attend, do repect that its a religious event, and dont protest. If you want to do that, which I do also respect your reasons and want, hopefully thats done during a none religious part of his trip.

arybvtcw0eolkf

LOL

(That' a 'NO' btw)

kuntboy

Florence Harsh Iceberg wrote: »

LOL

(That' a 'NO' btw)

How disrespectful to those of the Catholic faith. Would you be so to those of other certain faiths, I wonder. You wouldn't dare. How cowardly.

Mods please ban this bigot.

whisky_galore

Nope, not even if it was on across the road from me.

Not necessarily for 'atheist' reasons, just seems like a lot of waiting and queuing for my liking.

ohnonotgmail

Mint Sauce wrote: »

So free tickets became available this morning for the Popes visit to Knock and The Phoenix Park, with Knock already filling its allocation, he must really say a great Mass.

"Free" with a suggestion to make a donation to cover "expenses".

Fighting Tao

Oh my he Irish event junkies do love a big event regardless of what it is. FOMO!

5starpool

I just hope there are no traffic restrictions anywhere I need to be that might affect me because of this. That's as close as I'll get to attending or watching any of these things.

ohnonotgmail

whisky_galore wrote: »

Nope, not even if it was on across the road from me.

As Bill Shankly once said about Everton FC "If they were playing in my front garden i would close the curtains"

arybvtcw0eolkf

kuntboy wrote: »

How disrespectful to those of the Catholic faith. Would you be so to those of other certain faiths, I wonder. You wouldn't dare. How cowardly.

Mods please ban this bigot.

LOL

(That means 'I don't give a sh*t for you or anyone's religious faith/s)

The Backwards Man

If he was in my front garden I'd move house.

Cupcake_Crisis

If it was in my back garden I’d close the blinds. Think it’s a disgusting waste of money.

DickSwiveller

I'll be going. Looking forward to it. Also looking forward to the trendy atheists whinging incessantly about how much they don't care

hawkelady

No , I don’t subscribe to some old man wearing a table cloth who’s company hands around a basket for the unwashed to put money in ! Twice.
It’ll be interesting to see how many turn up to this farce

Mikenesson

I already seen him back in 78

verycool

Mikenesson wrote: »

I already seen him back in 78

I wouldn't bother going again, I heard it's all the same material. Only playing the hits from the first two albums.

He might drop "The Tombs in Tuam" and "It's just my finger child". Heard they don't get a great response from the crowd.

I'll be at Knock with most of my family. We're barely Catholics at all now (I'm completely Agnostic), but I don't accept this wave of hatred towards the C.Church. It's not for me. I have nothing but good experiences from my upbringing with them. I'd also have to cut away a rather large percentage of my family who are either priests or nuns.

I can certainly appreciate the people hurt by some priests as being justified, but there seems to be a rather general hatred going on by people who have never really experienced anything negative from the Church themselves. I'm not signing up to that negativity.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ok for some reason Stephen Fry on God via Youtube isn't embedding for me.

But here's my feelings on a God, and covers my belief in all the something like 3,500 Gods out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo&t=8s

Canis Lupus

hawkelady wrote: »

No , I don’t subscribe to some old man wearing a table cloth who’s company hands around a basket for the unwashed to put money in ! Twice.
It’ll be interesting to see how many turn up to this farce

It'll be packed. There's still plenty of old folk about. Another generation or so and the Pope will be needing to pay people to show up however. Shame I won't be around to see it though.

kuntboy

Florence Harsh Iceberg wrote: »

LOL

(That means 'I don't give a sh*t for you or anyone's religious faith/s)

How bigoted.

Beta Ray Bill

kuntboy wrote: »

How disrespectful to those of the Catholic faith. Would you be so to those of other certain faiths, I wonder. You wouldn't dare. How cowardly.

Mods please ban this bigot.

It's not the faith I (Or a great many others) have a problem with.
It's the Catholic church as an organisation.

I won't be going... I plan to not be anywhere near Dublin for it as the crowds will be a killer.

MODS or OP.

Can we get a poll on this? Who's going, who's not

verycool

kuntboy wrote: »

How bigoted.

Then forgive him?

Rhyme

Went into the application process to see what the process was, the queues are like etc and ended up getting a ticket as there was fuck all queue (must not be many people signing up at this time of day). I doubt I'll go but sure anything can change between now and then.

For clarity, I'm an on-the-fence Catholic as I appreciate some of the teachings and a lot of what is at the 'core of the faith' but absolutely despise the church. Priests/nuns individually may be nice but what they represent should be burned to the ground.

wexie

grahambo wrote: »

It's not the faith I (Or a great many others) have a problem with.
It's the Catholic church as an organisation.

Isn't it odd how so many people can't seem to make that distinction?

Shenshen

Will he pull the same size crowd as Garth Brooks, though?

5starpool

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll be at Knock with most of my family. We're barely Catholics at all now (I'm completely Agnostic), but I don't accept this wave of hatred towards the C.Church. It's not for me. I have nothing but good experiences from my upbringing with them. I'd also have to cut away a rather large percentage of my family who are either priests or nuns.

I can certainly appreciate the people hurt by some priests as being justified, but there seems to be a rather general hatred going on by people who have never really experienced anything negative from the Church themselves. I'm not signing up to that negativity.

Sure the Nazis never harmed me personally either. I don't see what the big deal is.

Did I just Godwin the thread already? Godwin is an ironic name actually in this context.

Chaos Tourist

How many will turn up at the Phoenix Park -- possibly tens of thousands? Many know how mental it is to make a scramble for the car a few minutes before the end of mass down the country. It's going to be bedlam trying to get out of there.

verycool

Shenshen wrote: »

Will he pull the same size crowd as Garth Brooks, though?

I mean, they both have friends in low places.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Canis Lupus wrote: »

It'll be packed. There's still plenty of old folk about. Another generation or so and the Pope will be needing to pay people to show up however. Shame I won't be around to see it though.

Dunno.

I was chatting to a young lad in work recently who said he was going to Krakow, Poland.. Now I fvcking LOVE Krakow so got to telling him what a lovely place it is, the people are great, cheap beers, Auschwitz etc

Then he tells me he's been there before, with the Catholic Youth Council ~ I nearly lost my sh*t. I actually thought he was messing.

A few tours of duty to places where Muslims, Jews and Christians are slaughtering each other in equal measure and all in the name of their own particular God and he might learn.. (we're soldiers btw).

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I’d rather go see Larry Murphy

paulbok

kuntboy wrote: »

How disrespectful to those of the Catholic faith. Would you be so to those of other certain faiths, I wonder. You wouldn't dare. How cowardly.

Mods please ban this bigot.

If you are getting upset over that comment, you may need to consider if the internet is for you.
Definitely After Hours should be approached with caution.

5starpool

5starpool wrote: »

Sure the Nazis never harmed me personally either. I don't see what the big deal is.

Did I just Godwin the thread already? Godwin is an ironic name actually in this context.

TBH it just shows your ignorance about both the Nazis and the Catholic Church.

endacl

I’d go for a big bag of cans in the Feener with Frank. I’d say he’d be a bit o’craic

ohnonotgmail

wexie wrote: »

Isn't it odd how so many people can't seem to make that distinction?

It almost has to be deliberate.

Grayson

Not going to see him although I might see him from work. He's popping by somewhere close.

I have to say though, I like this pope. I might disagree with him on stuff and I might hate a lot of the stuff the church has done in the past but he seems like a nice guy. He doesn't seem too judgy (most of the time. I'm not including the stuff he said in Chile). Benedict seemed like a complete prick.

abff

Florence Harsh Iceberg wrote: »

Ok for some reason Stephen Fry on God via Youtube isn't embedding for me.

But here's my feelings on a God, and covers my belief in all the something like 3,500 Gods out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo&t=8s

I don't see how anyone could argue with what Stephen Fry said there. As a challenge, is anyone able to come up with a sensible rebuttal? One that doesn't involve either shooting the messenger or falling back on the old "God moves in mysterious ways and how can we poor mortals hope to understand him" argument.

DickSwiveller

Florence Harsh Iceberg wrote: »

Dunno.

I was chatting to a young lad in work recently who said he was going to Krakow, Poland.. Now I fvcking LOVE Krakow so got to telling him what a lovely place it is, the people are great, cheap beers, Auschwitz etc

Then he tells me he's been there before, with the Catholic Youth Council ~ I nearly lost my sh*t. I actually thought he was messing.

A few tours of duty to places where Muslims, Jews and Christians are slaughtering each other in equal measure and all in the name of their own particular God and he might learn.. (we're soldiers btw).

What the hell are you on about?

Mint Sauce

kuntboy wrote: »

How disrespectful to those of the Catholic faith. Would you be so to those of other certain faiths, I wonder. You wouldn't dare. How cowardly.

Mods please ban this bigot.

kuntboy wrote: »

How bigoted.

Are you going your self?

arybvtcw0eolkf

DickSwiveller wrote: »

What the hell are you on about?

I don't believe in hell either.

Benjamin Buttons

Spare me.....yet another opportunity for the Pope's cheerleaders in the Iona Institute to take their bigoted views for a walk courtesy of the national broadcaster.

Ulysses Gaze

The only God you need is Crom.

He maybe a grim and gloomy god, ever watching from atop his mountain in dark clouds and obscuring mists. But he approves courage and tenacity. Even if you are too weak to succeed. His sole gift to humanity is the courage to go on, survive, and vanquish adversity.

What more can you want from a God?

Remember that when you die and go before him. You must answer:

What is the riddle of steel?

Grayson

kuntboy wrote: »

How disrespectful to those of the Catholic faith. Would you be so to those of other certain faiths, I wonder. You wouldn't dare. How cowardly.

Mods please ban this bigot.

You have very low standards. Saying lol no isn't bigoted.

valoren

I'm more interested in the financial aspect to this.

How much is the government paying out to facilitate this? Into the millions no doubt.
Will the money people are charged for tickets be used to re-reimburse the state coffers? I doubt it.
It would be more palatable and 'christian' I guess if the face value of the ticket would be donated to local charities.
I'm indifferent so maybe that will be the case, if so, then Francis touring would be a positive thing.

If not then it's just a money maker. I'd be wondering where the money flows from these tours.
Just another religion where it's core tenet is money making with the false front of love, compassion where calling it out and constructively criticizing it's practices triggers accusations of being edgy, cool or whatever deflective insults are in vogue.

The Satanist

No.

Mint Sauce

Florence Harsh Iceberg wrote: »

Ok for some reason Stephen Fry on God via Youtube isn't embedding for me.

But here's my feelings on a God, and covers my belief in all the something like 3,500 Gods out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo&t=8s

I thought Frys closing comments in that interview were epic! what was even funnier was the attempt to charge him for Blasphony, what did they expect bringing a known Athiest on a religious programe.

5starpool

abff wrote: »

I don't see how anyone could argue with what Stephen Fry said there. As a challenge, is anyone able to come up with a sensible rebuttal? One that doesn't involve either shooting the messenger or falling back on the old "God moves in mysterious ways and how can we poor mortals hope to understand him" argument.

One thing I have never really gotten about this praying lark is that when something good happens, it's thanks god and "I prayed that would happen, he listened" stuff, and when something bad happens "it's god's test". Do people really believe that there is a god out there who micromanages lives and decides to occasionally intervene and make Mary pass her leaving cert, or John recover from a heart attack?

Whatever about believing in eternal salvation and an afterlife and so on, that's one thing and is pure faith in something. I can respect that (even if I can't understand it). Thinking though that any sort of prayer for action on something can or would have any sort of influence or something though is the epitome of wishful thinking and just ridiculous.

ohnonotgmail

valoren wrote: »

I'm more interested in the financial aspect to this.

How much is the government paying out to facilitate this? Into the millions no doubt.
Will the money people are charged for tickets be used to re-reimburse the state coffers? I doubt it.
It would be more palatable and 'christian' I guess if the face value of the ticket would be donated to local charities.
I'm indifferent so maybe that will be the case, if so, then Francis touring would be a positive thing.

If not then it's just a money maker. I'd be wondering where the money flows from these tours.
Just another religion where it's core tenet is money making with the false front of love, compassion where calling it out and constructively criticizing it's practices triggers accusations of being edgy, cool or whatever deflective insults are in vogue.

The tickets are free but you can make a donation if you so wish. to cover expenses. What expenses it does not say. Certainly not the governments expenses.

5starpool

Mint Sauce wrote: »

I thought Frys closing comments in that interview were epic! what was even funnier was the attempt to charge him for Blasphony, what did they expect bringing a known Athiest on a religious programe.

Who attempted to charge him for blasphemy? Someone on social media saying someone should be charged isn't anyone trying to charge him. I assume only the guards (and maybe some other authorities, I don't know) can charge anyone.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Grayson wrote: »

You have very low standards. Saying lol no isn't bigoted.

Ah, he's on a wind up. I wasn't taking him serious at all.

DickSwiveller

5starpool wrote: »

One thing I have never really gotten about this praying lark is that when something good happens, it's thanks god and "I prayed that would happen, he listened" stuff, and when something bad happens "it's god's test". Do people really believe that there is a god out there who micromanages lives and decides to occasionally intervene and make Mary pass her leaving cert, or John recover from a heart attack?

Whatever about believing in eternal salvation and an afterlife and so on, that's one thing and is pure faith in something. I can respect that (even if I can't understand it). Thinking though that any sort of prayer for action on something can or would have any sort of influence or something though is the epitome of wishful thinking and just ridiculous.

Why don't the trendy atheists understand that some people need the idea of God to help them in life? Instead of constantly sneering at them, why not respect that. I don't believe in God but I can't join the new atheist mob. For example, I wouldn't have the arrogance to sneer at a mother who prays every night that she will see her dead child in another life. Or I wouldn't scoff at the local prayer group who visit the sick and elderly every evening. Unfortunately I just don't possess that level of arrogance.

Hotblack Desiato

kuntboy wrote: »

How disrespectful to those of the Catholic faith. Would you be so to those of other certain faiths, I wonder. You wouldn't dare. How cowardly.

Mods please ban this bigot.

Ah yes, the old "let's silence any dissent" catholic reflex is still there... I take it you would have been grand with banning books and denying talented authors a living?

The RCC isn't great at showing respect to anyone. It doesn't even respect its own followers, treats them like eejits, tells them what to think, fills them with guilt and shame and bilks them for cash, all based on a promise it can never fulfil. Talk about the poor while their HQ is a gilded palace. Etc.

abff

5starpool wrote: »

Thinking though that any sort of prayer for action on something can or would have any sort of influence or something though is the epitome of wishful thinking and just ridiculous.

I agree that it's completely illogical. It's similar to the thinking that arises when you're watching a match and your team are winning and you make some comment along the lines of "I can't see us losing this one now". And then everyone blames you for jinxing it when your team loses.