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So who's going to see the Pope?

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  • #802
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    Dress it up anyway you want, you are stopping people from expressing their faith.

    Nope wrong, stopping someone from having a seat or standing room at the Phoenix park is not stopping them expressing their faith. The ability to practice ones faith is not location specific. Nice try though.


  • #803
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »
    Because of people like you grabbing up tickets to prevent believers from meeting their spiritual leader and practising their faith in the form of a mass.


    Dress it up anyway you want, you are stopping people from expressing their faith.

    I wouldn't worry about it, I don't think he's dishing out the communion wafers.


  • #804
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Nope wrong, stopping someone from having a seat or standing room at the Phoenix park is not stopping them expressing their faith. The ability to practice ones faith is not location specific. Nice try though.

    What's on in the Phoenix Park, a giant mass.

    What are you doing, taking tickets to stop peoole attending, cause you're all edgy.

    So you're stopping their faith. Your as bad as the bishops of old.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #805
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    super_furry wrote: »
    I wouldn't worry about it, I don't think he's dishing out the communion wafers.

    I hear he does a goos mass though.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #806
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    So you're stopping their faith. Your as bad as the bishops of old.


    So one can only practice their faith in a certain location? When did this happen?


  • #807
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    So one can only practice their faith in a certain location? When did this happen?

    When a mass is organised there.

    You know, the one you took loads of tickets for?

    A once of in a generation event, the one where you think you're so cool n trendy to take load of tickets and not go.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #808
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    A once of in a generation event, the one where you think you're so cool n trendy to take load of tickets and not go.


    So no answer to my question then?


  • #809
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    So no answer to my question then?

    I did. Not my fault you cant see it. Question was well answered.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #810
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    I did. Not my fault you cant see it. Question was well answered.


    You didn't, you claimed I'm stopping someone from practicing their faith. Please explain how the practice of faith can only be practiced in a certain location? When you are ready.


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  • #811
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You didn't, you claimed I'm stopping someone from practicing their faith. Please explain how the practice of faith can only be practiced in a certain location? When you are ready.

    He's already explained it to you quite concisely. What do you gain from stopping other people going to see the pope?


  • #812
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    You didn't, you claimed I'm stopping someone from practicing their faith. Please explain how the practice of faith can only be practiced in a certain location? When you are ready.

    Never said only.

    Its pretty obvious. Very petty, sad people are deliberately getting tickets for the papal mass with no intention of going.

    Therefore those people are preventing practising Catholics from attending and partaking in a spiritual event because they think its edgy and cool.

    People who take this tickets woth zero intention of going are stopping people from expressing their faith as they with to see their spiritual leader.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #813
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    kunst nugget wrote:
    He's already explained it to you quite concisely. What do you gain from stopping other people going to see the pope?


    Actually he didn't explain anything concisely, I asked since when was the ability to practice ones faith location specific, no answer. They can still see the pope if they can't make the event he'll be on da' telly. All good. What do I gain? A warm fuzzy feeling.


  • #814
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    Its pretty obvious. Very petty, sad people are deliberately getting tickets for the papal mass with no intention of going.


    So you understand the point, it's a way to protest using the minimum of effort. Any way it'll be on 'da telly'. Sure they can kneel down in the comfort of their own home and have a nice cup of tea. ; )


  • #815
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    What do I gain? A warm fuzzy feeling.

    I guess I don't have to be a dick to others to get a warm, fuzzy feeling in life.


  • #816
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Wonder if there'll be people outside selling tickets.

    Where there's a demand, there's usually people looking to make a few quid.


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  • #817
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    kunst nugget wrote:
    I guess I don't have to be a dick to others to get a warm, fuzzy feeling in life.





    True but you could still be a dick, I don't know you.


  • #818
    TheValeyard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    So you understand the point, it's a way to protest using the minimum of effort. Any way it'll be on 'da telly'. Sure they can kneel down in the comfort of their own home and have a nice cup of tea. ; )

    'protest'

    A nice excuse to prevent freedom of expression or practice of faith.


    Its just sad.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • #819
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    ELM327 hasn't given any indication that he registered tickets to deprive others and is merely sharing the information he got. I don't know how you made that leap.

    Edit: I've looked back over his posts and seen he's being a dick ordering tickets he has no intention of using. Fair enough.

    Apologies. I thought you knew why he was getting tickets. I think it's best to just ignore these pathetic people. They clearly lead boring lives if this is how they entertain themselves.


  • #820
    Thomas_IV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭Thomas_IV


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    optogirl wrote: »
    I would worry that the media will use that as an excuse as to why f*** all people show up instead of acknowledging that the RCC 's time is up in this country.

    That's the problem I have with this form of protest as well…

    I grew up in a very orthodox Catholic family and I have no love for the religion. I've been an atheist all my adult life but I'd be loathe to stop anyone practicing their religion when it doesn't affect me personally. For me that's suppression of freedom of expression.

    I see it that way too and I didn't grow up in a orthodox Catholic Family. My late Father wasn't interested in this and I have made my own experiences with the violence of the RCC and its representatives. I have the RCC down as the most hypocrite and morally corrupt institution beside politics. But for everyone who likes to see the Pope, if that gives them their pleasure, I would complain about or protest against it at all. In fact, I don't care.

    After reaching my 18th birthday, I went to the civil registry to declare my dismission on my membership of the RCC (that was not in Ireland). Some years later, my father did the same. Just my mother was a bit horryfied on my decision but I never applied for being taken back by the RCC as a member. I'd rather join the Protestants than ever even considering to become a member of the RCC again. But they are no better than the others.  

    As it happened, while I was on a short holiday to Rome on Easter 1998, the lot I was walking with went to see the Pope so I was also there. It didn't bother me then, I went to Rome to see the City.


  • #821
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    A nice excuse to prevent freedom of expression or practice of faith.


    No one stopping anyone practicing their faith. Repeating nonsense doesn't afford it credibility. It's just constant repetition of b.s..


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  • #822
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    ELM327 hasn't given any indication that he registered tickets to deprive others and is merely sharing the information he got. I don't know how you made that leap.
    There's an oversupply of tickets. There's still many available. Nobody is being deprived. Surely the grand high dress won't let that happen anyway.


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Edit: I've looked back over his posts and seen he's being a dick ordering tickets he has no intention of using. Fair enough.
    No need for the insults. Post reported.
    Everyone has the right to peaceful protest.


  • #823
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Do I really need to explain it to you? They're buying tickets to purposely deprive others who would like to go. I better stay away from this thread anyway. I got banned the last time because these nasty people were annoying me so much
    Say nope to the pope is a perfectly legit peaceful protest
    No one is deprived, they literally couldnt give away the tickets.


  • #824
    Thomas_IV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭Thomas_IV


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    A nice excuse to prevent freedom of expression or practice of faith.


    No one stopping anyone practicing their faith. Repeating nonsense doesn't afford it credibility. It's just constant repetition of b.s..

    I see that happen in politics too. So, what's the difference anyway if not the topic itself?


  • #825
    Thomas_IV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭Thomas_IV


    ELM327 wrote: »
    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Do I really need to explain it to you? They're buying tickets to purposely deprive others who would like to go. I better stay away from this thread anyway. I got banned the last time because these nasty people were annoying me so much
    Say nope to the pope is a perfectly legit peaceful protest
    No one is deprived, they literally couldnt give away the tickets.

    I came across the title of an article about them having problems with their software to supply the tickets. I didn't read the article though, wasn't that interesting to me.


  • #826
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Apologies. I thought you knew why he was getting tickets. I think it's best to just ignore these pathetic people. They clearly lead boring lives if this is how they entertain themselves.


    But yet you still clog these threads with your mindless drivel/


    Sorry if being offended by a paedophile ring that attempts to control society makes me pathetic.
    I guess I'm pathetic. Oh well, at least my conscience is clear.


  • #827
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    They want to see the head of their religion, people are being petty by blocking them from getting tickets to go see him. To some, the visit would be a major thing for them in terms of their faith. It makes no difference to anyone else. Why would you feel the need to block people from going to it?


    I guess you would feel the need to block people from going if you were a proper knob?


  • #828
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    ELM327 wrote: »
    There's an oversupply of tickets. There's still many available. Nobody is being deprived. Surely the grand high dress won't let that happen anyway.

    Not according to the official website. The mass is booked out.
    ELM327 wrote: »
    No need for the insults. Post reported.
    Everyone has the right to peaceful protest.

    If you got up off your arse and peacefully protested on the day, I'd have no problem with that - I'd respect it.

    Going online and block booking tickets to stop others being able to attend is being a dick imo.


  • #829
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    ELM327 wrote: »
    But yet you still clog these threads with your mindless drivel/


    Sorry if being offended by a paedophile ring that attempts to control society makes me pathetic.
    I guess I'm pathetic. Oh well, at least my conscience is clear.

    Oh how original. I suppose you want all the care homes in the country closed as well. No, didn't think so. You're blind hatred means it pointless trying to talk to you. Which I won't anymore. Bye!


  • #830
    Thomas_IV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭Thomas_IV


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    kunst nugget wrote: »
    ELM327 hasn't given any indication that he registered tickets to deprive others and is merely sharing the information he got. I don't know how you made that leap.

    Edit: I've looked back over his posts and seen he's being a dick ordering tickets he has no intention of using. Fair enough.

    Apologies. I thought you knew why he was getting tickets. I think it's best to just ignore these pathetic people. They clearly lead boring lives if this is how they entertain themselves.

    Believe it or not, but there are still strong believers out there, some even devote, some dogmatic, some who can't do without it, and some may be just curious. Whether their live is boring is rather hard to tell by someone like you or me who don't take any pleasure in religion.


  • #831
    Joe prim
    Registered Users Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Joe prim


    I'm waiting to see who's playing support, there's a rumour it'll be Richard Dawkins:D


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  • #832
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    Thomas_IV wrote: »
    Believe it or not, but there are still strong believers out there, some even devote, some dogmatic, some who can't do without it, and some may be just curious. Whether their live is boring is rather hard to tell by someone like you or me who don't take any pleasure in religion.

    I'm talking about the people dumping tickets. I'm Catholic and will be going.


  • #833
    Thomas_IV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭Thomas_IV


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Thomas_IV wrote: »
    Believe it or not, but there are still strong believers out there, some even devote, some dogmatic, some who can't do without it, and some may be just curious. Whether their live is boring is rather hard to tell by someone like you or me who don't take any pleasure in religion.

    I'm talking about the people dumping tickets. I'm Catholic and will be going.
    Well, then enjoy the day. Sorry for mistaking you as someone who has no interest in all that.


  • #834
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    ELM327 wrote: »
    I guess I'm pathetic. Oh well, at least my conscience is clear.


    That's great news but what has it got to do with who's going to see the pope?


  • #835
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:
    A nice excuse to prevent freedom of expression or practice of faith.


    Not preventing it at all. They can practice it wherever this wish just maybe not at the gig in the park. Go to a church or field and have a pray sure isn't God everywhere.


  • #836
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Not preventing it at all. They can practice it wherever this wish just maybe not at the gig in the park. Go to a church or field and have a pray sure isn't God everywhere.

    You're probably preventing a granny from attending a Mass given by the head of the Church. This form of protest is so brave. Reminds me of Martin Luther King.


  • #837
    verycool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭verycool


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    You're probably preventing a granny from attending a Mass given by the head of the Church. This form of protest is so brave. Reminds me of Martin Luther King.


    But what if, en route to the mass, she tripped and fell and broke her hip?


    That's a life saved right there. :pac:


  • #838
    SexBobomb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭SexBobomb


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Not preventing it at all. They can practice it wherever this wish just maybe not at the gig in the park. Go to a church or field and have a pray sure isn't God everywhere.

    This "protest" doesn't hurt the church just the people that want to peacefully go to an event with like minded people, the majority of which would be older people. Nothing to be gained from doing this and nothing to be proud of.


  • #839
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote:
    You're probably preventing a granny from attending a Mass given by the head of the Church. This form of protest is so brave. Reminds me of Martin Luther King.


    Probably but we don't know. I could be preventing a granny from tripping over an errant chair and hurting herself at the gig. Every bit as probable as your suggestion.


  • #840
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    This "protest" doesn't hurt the church just the people that want to peacefully go to an event with like minded people, the majority of which would be older people. Nothing to be gained from doing this and nothing to be proud of.

    Let’s not forget that Garth Brooks sold out 5 nights in no time. There were tickets available for this mass long after they were released. They were free too! Anyone that wanted one could have gotten one. I’ve yet to hear anyone say I wish I could have gone but there were no tickets as I did with Garth.


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  • #841
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    SexBobomb wrote:
    Nothing to be gained from doing this and nothing to be proud of.


    Your opinion, which means .......guess?


  • #842
    J. Smith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭J. Smith


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Your opinion, which means .......guess?

    A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge?


  • #843
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,216 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Anyway despite the best efforts of the saddos (the ones who always have someone or something to blame for their shortfalls) trying to hijack the tickets it looks like being a sell out!:D


  • #844
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    realdanbreen wrote:
    Anyway despite the best efforts of the saddos (the ones who always have someone or something to blame for their shortfalls) trying to hijack the tickets it looks like being a sell out!

    How is a free event a sell out, you also missed the point of people requesting multiple tickets. How do you think an event 'sells out' ? If you want to buy free tickets I can sell you some.


  • #845
    donaldtramp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 224 ✭✭donaldtramp


    The vast majority of people going to this type of stuff would be elderly. It's become less of a tend for younger people to be interested in this.

    And yes, it's a free event, so it's shocking that everybody is so negative about this kind of thing.


  • #846
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    J. Smith wrote:
    A view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge?


    I know what opinion means, I was just asking what value do you think your opinion carries.


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  • #847
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭optogirl


    donaldtramp wrote: »
    The vast majority of people going to this type of stuff would be elderly. It's become less of a tend for younger people to be interested in this.

    And yes, it's a free event, so it's shocking that everybody is so negative about this kind of thing.

    I don't find it shocking at all that people are negative about the catholic church. They have done a huge amount of harm to a huge amount of people.


  • #848
    donaldtramp
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 224 ✭✭donaldtramp


    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    I know what opinion means, I was just asking what value do you think your opinion carries.

    Well obviously he thinks his opinion matters if he decides to voice it.
    Pretty dumb question.


  • #849
    Hitman3000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,596 ✭✭✭Hitman3000


    donaldtramp wrote:
    Well obviously he thinks his opinion matters if he decides to voice it. Pretty dumb question.

    It matters to him, of no value to me.


  • #850
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    optogirl wrote: »
    I don't find it shocking at all that people are negative about the catholic church. They have done a huge amount of harm to a huge amount of people.

    The problem with ideologues like you is you can't distinguish between the Church and its members. Fr Kevin on Church Street gets up at 5 am. every morning to feed the homeless and destitute. I suppose you have it in for him as well do you?


  • #851
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    The problem with ideologues like you is you can't distinguish between the Church and its members. Fr Kevin on Church Street gets up at 5 am. every morning to feed the homeless and destitute. I suppose you have it in for him as well do you?

    Nah. Just the head honcho who enables the crimes by doing nothing to stop them and moving offerebders to different locations.


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