So who's going to see the Pope?

26-06-2018 1:12pm

I've no interest whatsoever in seeing the Pope, but at the same time, I have no respect for anyone who would actually go out of their way to ruin someone else's enjoyment of the event.

'Me, me, me, let's make this about me!' attitude strikes again.

One eyed Jack · 26-06-2018 1:12pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

they dont seem to have copped the ruse of booking for coaches.

I think they're actually well aware of what they're doing.

It's not like the idea is actually original or anything. It just makes demand for the event look more popular than it is. I know a number of people who have booked tickets just because they might want to go, keeping their options open, like parents who apply to all the schools in an area keeping their options open.

Donald Trump · 26-06-2018 1:17pm

smokingman wrote: »

Frank already said he's giving out indulgences to anyone turning up to this family thing. That apparently wipes away all your sins to that point...
So yeah, there ya go

Aaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnndddddddd?

That proves the statement

You can buy your place in heaven with the RCC

how?

minikin · 26-06-2018 2:10pm

A wiseguy on liveline now

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 2:23pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Bloody hell you need to calm down.

I only posted in this thread yesterday for the first time. I'm not hassling anyone or calling for anything to be destroyed.

If you don't find our international image interesting that's fine but I do.

You sound incredibly angry, bitter and arrogant.

Perfectly relaxed. You're talking through your hoop.

International image! Lol! It's the type of BS which has us the lapdog of Europe.

Being socially progressive or conservative matters very little with regards to anything.

I suppose you voted Yes because you wanted to be hip with your Dutch pals, rather than concern for women?

I prefer people of substance rather than image. Our Leo with his PR gurus flitters from embracing the rainbow flag one day, to saying gay couples couldn't adopt a few years ago.

International image! What exactly is that anyway? America's probably isn't great at the moment but people will do business with them due to military power and wealth. We're small fry, so getting worked up about Euro camera crews doing interviews with elderly Catholics in Donegal shows how narrow your thinking is and how wound up you are with your anti Catholic agenda.

Any self respecting Aethist couldn't care less if the pope was coming or know when. He/she wouldn't be buying tickets and booking buses like a Junior Cert with too much time on their hands.

opinionated3 · 26-06-2018 2:24pm

As a Catholic, I would like to go but I'm not in country at the time. I'm aware that this is not the "cool" thing to do in this country anymore, but I have retained my faith and have lived in a parish that has been blessed with some fantastic priests down through the years. I will admit to being somewhat saddened by the attitude to this visit by some posters here. At the end of the day, this is supposed to be a celebration of the family. I think that point has been a little bit lost in the whole debate.

Zubeneschamali · 26-06-2018 2:34pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Our Leo with his PR gurus flitters from embracing the rainbow flag one day, to saying gay couples couldn't adopt a few years ago.

Whoa, Leo can travel back in time? Cool!

Zubeneschamali · 26-06-2018 2:36pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

At the end of the day, this is supposed to be a celebration of the family.

I think celibate men in skirts are not the folks to talk to us about family.

ELM327 · 26-06-2018 2:38pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think celibate men in skirts are not the folks to talk to us about family.

Well now they are self declared celibate.
But as we've seen in the past that isnt always the case!

kunst nugget · 26-06-2018 2:40pm

opinionated3 wrote: »

At the end of the day, this is supposed to be a celebration of the family. I think that point has been a little bit lost in the whole debate.

At the end of the day, the treatment of any family that didn't fit the traditional model by a catholic-dominated Irish society in days gone by means I'd take any 'celebration of the family' by the church with a pinch of salt and be giving it a wide berth.

murpho999 · 26-06-2018 2:44pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Perfectly relaxed. You're talking through your hoop.

International image! Lol! It's the type of BS which has us the lapdog of Europe.

Being socially progressive or conservative matters very little with regards to anything.

I suppose you voted Yes because you wanted to be hip with your Dutch pals, rather than concern for women?

I prefer people of substance rather than image. Our Leo with his PR gurus flitters from embracing the rainbow flag one day, to saying gay couples couldn't adopt a few years ago.

International image! What exactly is that anyway? America's probably isn't great at the moment but people will do business with them due to military power and wealth. We're small fry, so getting worked up about Euro camera crews doing interviews with elderly Catholics in Donegal shows how narrow your thinking is and how wound up you are with your anti Catholic agenda.

Any self respecting Aethist couldn't care less if the pope was coming or know when. He/she wouldn't be buying tickets and booking buses like a Junior Cert with too much time on their hands.

You don't know me or why I voted in the referendum and I don't have to justify it to you.

Also, atheists read the news by the way and the Pope makes the news.

Anyhow good luck. Not dealing with you anymore . Just arguing sh1te for the sake of it.

Strazdas · 26-06-2018 2:44pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

You know reading through this makes me feel ashamed that I also got 12 tickets to be not used (wasn't serious about eBay)

I complain all the time about the hard left trying to shut down events with Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris etc.

I'm doing no better here, yes the RCC is a rotten institution, yes this is a colossal waste of money, but people should be free to choose.

I would have HOPED people didn't go, but blocking them ????

I didn't think it through, I will offer my tickets to people that genuinely want them - closer to the day.

The idea of the protest might seem a good one at first glance (the legitimate idea of mounting a protest against the formal institution of the Catholic Church for past and current misdemeanours).

But if it ends up disrupting ordinary Catholics who want to see the Pope instead, it becomes completely self defeating. The victims of church misdemeanours in the past were ordinary Catholics after all.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 2:59pm

murpho999 wrote: »

You don't know me or why I voted in the referendum and I don't have to justify it to you/

Also, atheists read the news by the way and the Pope makes the news.

Anyhow good luck. Not dealing with you anymore . Just arguing sh1te for the sake of it.

You're not arguing because you're out of your depth.

Oh what will everyone in Europe think about the elderly Catholics in Donegal? Lol!

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 3:00pm

Strazdas wrote: »

The idea of the protest might seem a good one at first glance (the legitimate idea of mounting a protest against the formal institution of the Catholic Church for past and current misdemeanours).

But if it ends up disrupting ordinary Catholics who want to see the Pope instead, it becomes completely self defeating. The victims of church misdemeanours in the past were ordinary Catholics after all.

Excellent post Sir.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 3:02pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Whoa, Leo can travel back in time? Cool!

Yes he's capable of magnificent deeds

Wait and see him fawning over the pope!

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 26-06-2018 3:28pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think celibate men in skirts are not the folks to talk to us about family.

Are you one of those people who think that only parents have families or know anything about family life.
What about single men and women who have parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews? Do they know nothing about family life?

seamus · 26-06-2018 3:33pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Yes he's capable of magnificent deeds Wait and see him fawning over the pope!

The Pope is an officially recognised head of state. It would be expected that Leo would at the very least show the same respect he does to any other head of state.

Obligations and all that. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Rugby123innow · 26-06-2018 3:35pm

It will be a great day for all involved, got a ticket off my niece as a birthday present delighted

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 3:35pm

Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »

Are you one of those people who think that only parents have families or know anything about family life.
What about single men and women who have parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews? Do they know nothing about family life?

I wonder if he's one of those people full of smugness and one liners?

kunst nugget · 26-06-2018 3:35pm

Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »

Are you one of those people who think that only parents have families or know anything about family life.
What about single men and women who have parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews? Do they know nothing about family life?

Priests and single people can know about family life but having children and being actively involved in the raising of those children is going to give you an insight into it you never would have gotten otherwise.

ohnonotgmail · 26-06-2018 3:36pm

Rugby123innow wrote: »

It will be a great day for all involved, got a ticket off my niece as a birthday present delighted

you know the tickets are free, right?

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 3:40pm

seamus wrote: »

The Pope is an officially recognised head of state. It would be expected that Leo would at the very least show the same respect he does to any other head of state.

Obligations and all that. I wouldn't read too much into it.

Leo will give it extras though, beyond one head of state meeting another. It's all about Leo after all and his carefully managed PR. Leo would probably meet Hitler when he was winning WW2 if he felt it was a PR op.

Zubeneschamali · 26-06-2018 3:45pm

Baylee Angry Kneecap wrote: »

Are you one of those people who think that only parents have families or know anything about family life.

Many years ago now, I had to do a Catholic "pre-marriage course". The parts delivered by lay people were feeble, but they at least looked embarrassed to be giving them (rhythm method etc).

The bits delivered by the priest were actually hilarious. He tried to lecture us about household budgets, and was shocked when we corrected his many errors - he had absolutely no idea what a household budget would look like, unlike the many couples present, most of whom were "living in sin".

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 3:45pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Priests and single people can know about family life but having children and being actively involved in the raising of those children is going to give you an insight into it you never would have gotten otherwise.

A lot of older siblings in most priests' generation practically reared children in big families. Older children working to provide for a family if a parent died young.

The man in the skirt, as Zubey, put it might know an awful lot about rearing a family. We know nothing about him.

But the smart asses and darlings of the fora come out with their one liners to get their thumbs up from their clique.

Hitman3000 · 26-06-2018 3:46pm

BliainanAir wrote:

Leo would probably meet Hitler when he was winning WW2 if he felt it was a PR op.

AH proving that stupidity knows no limits......

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 3:51pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Many years ago now, I had to do a Catholic "pre-marriage course". The parts delivered by lay people were feeble, but they at least looked embarrassed to be giving them (rhythm method etc).

The bits delivered by the priest were actually hilarious. He tried to lecture us about household budgets, and was shocked when we corrected his many errors - he had absolutely no idea what a household budget would look like, unlike the many couples present, most of whom were "living in sin".

Household budgets isn't rocket science. Don't spend more than you earn

There are many equally clueless lay people who don't have a clue how to budget. I think that's an individual thing rather than being a priest or not. You don't have to be taught 'budgeting' it usually comes from parenting and cop on.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 3:53pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

AH proving that stupidity knows no limits......

You still sore. Lol!

How many tickets did you book today and buses book big fella?

ohnonotgmail · 26-06-2018 4:00pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Household budgets isn't rocket science. Don't spend more than you earn There are many equally clueless lay people who don't have a clue how to budget. I think that's an individual thing rather than being a priest or not. You don't have to be taught 'budgeting' it usually comes from parenting and cop on.

If it is so simple how come the priest teaching the course couldn't get it right?

Hitman3000 · 26-06-2018 4:00pm

BliainanAir wrote:

You still sore. Lol!

Sore? Not at all sweetie, have a look what forum you are on. You seem to think you are a high brow debating forum although your Hitler remark would indicate you would be seriously out of your depth if you were.

Zubeneschamali · 26-06-2018 4:02pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Household budgets isn't rocket science. Don't spend more than you earn There are many equally clueless lay people who don't have a clue how to budget. I think that's an individual thing rather than being a priest or not. You don't have to be taught 'budgeting' it usually comes from parenting and cop on.

Hey, tell the eejits running Catholic pre-marriage courses, not me!

According to ACCORD's website:

Be assured that at no time during the programme will any couple or individual be placed in a situation that will cause embarrassment or distress.

I was pretty feckin embarrassed for some of the people who had to deliver that course.

One eyed Jack · 26-06-2018 4:02pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Priests and single people can know about family life but having children and being actively involved in the raising of those children is going to give you an insight into it you never would have gotten otherwise.

Really though it's only going to give a person an insight into raising their own children, which is indisputable and fair enough, but not having children or not being married or in a relationship does not immediately preclude someone from actually knowing what they're talking about.

They know what they're talking about within the context of the family from the perspective of the Catholic Church, and that's really the whole point of the event. One doesn't have to be Catholic to attend, and one doesn't even have to have their own biological children to attend. It's not a requirement to be able to talk about the meaning of the families from a Catholic perspective.

As for Zubs 'celibate men in dresses comment', well neither people who are cross-dressers, gender non-conforming nor people who are transgender are precluded from attending, and actually it might be an interesting perspective to hear their perspective on the family from someone who is transgender and Catholic -

I'm Proud To Be a Transgender Catholic

Birdie Num Num · 26-06-2018 4:03pm

Oh whoopie! Another thread of one-upmanship.

kunst nugget · 26-06-2018 4:10pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Really though it's only going to give a person an insight into raising their own children, which is indisputable and fair enough, but not having children or not being married or in a relationship does not immediately preclude someone from actually knowing what they're talking about.

What's a priest or a single person going to really know about trying to know about parental guilt about leaving your children to work, wrestling with how to raise a child and the best way of disciplining them, the strain that the tiredness from lack of sleep can put on your relationship during those early months beyond knowing about it in the abstract? Being giving sage advice from someone that's never had to deal with it, no matter how well intentioned, is frankly bollocks.

gctest50 · 26-06-2018 4:14pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

.....

Leo would probably meet Hitler when he was winning WW2 if he felt it was a PR op.

You can't beat the Christians for licking up :

loving it :

Idle Passerby · 26-06-2018 4:20pm

Jesus! (Pun intended) all the people bleating about how horrible it is to book tickets and not use them, no need to get your knickers in a twist!

Like any event, people that want to go will get their tickets early. If they twiddle their thumbs waiting for the last minute to secure them it's their own fault they can't go.

I'd be surprised if it's full anyway. There can't be that many people wetting themselves with excitement to go to mass.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:25pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If it is so simple how come the priest teaching the course couldn't get it right?

Already explained that. A lay person could be equally poor at budgeting.

Just more Catholic bashing. Tiresome. A lot on here need to grow up and realise humans aren't perfect and try and rid themselves of hate and bitterness.

How many anti Catholic threads are opened on this site, practically daily. If the church was gone in the morning the same people would find something else to moan about.

Just negative people. And others who feel they're intellectually superior to others and spreading englightenment. Live and let live. Let ordinary Catholics see their spiritual leader. Enough of the childish, petty nonsense that you'd scold your children for. Just bullying really.

Build a bridge.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:28pm

gctest50 wrote: »

You can't beat the Christians for licking up :

loving it :

Like Mussolini he made a Concordat with the church who were concerned with survival.

By the way your pics are pre WW2 so irrelevant to my point

Nice try little motorbike guy

One eyed Jack · 26-06-2018 4:31pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

What's a priest or a single person going to really know about trying to know about parental guilt about leaving your children to work, wrestling with how to raise a child and the best way of disciplining them, the strain that the tiredness from lack of sleep can put on your relationship during those early months beyond knowing about it in the abstract? Being giving sage advice from someone that's never had to deal with it, no matter how well intentioned, is frankly bollocks.

But sure I don't know anything about that from your perspective either, I can only ever know about what it's like for you in abstract. I can definitely agree with you in one sense that often times what someone may consider sage advice based upon their experiences can be seen quite frankly as bollocks, like people who tell me constantly that an apartment is no place to raise a child, etc, the onslaught of "sage advice" is endless. However, I've received plenty of good advice from my local priest who is very understanding (most of the time! We can disagree about plenty!), and has provided guidance on a number of occasions.

Whether advice is considered either sage or bollocks really depends upon how relatable it is and how it's communicated. The orthopaedic surgeon for example who performed my hip replacement, to the best of my knowledge has never had a hip replacement himself, but it would be silly of me to suggest he couldn't possibly know what he's talking about and be far more familiar with the way it had previously affected me and he would also be far more familiar with the likely outcomes than I am, because he would be talking to far more patients about their conditions than I ever will.

ohnonotgmail · 26-06-2018 4:33pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Already explained that. A lay person could be equally poor at budgeting.

Just more Catholic bashing. Tiresome. A lot on here need to grow up and realise humans aren't perfect and try and rid themselves of hate and bitterness.

How many anti Catholic threads are opened on this site, practically daily. If the church was gone in the morning the same people would find something else to moan about.

Just negative people. And others who feel they're intellectually superior to others and spreading englightenment. Live and let live. Let ordinary Catholics see their spiritual leader. Enough of the childish, petty nonsense that you'd scold your children for. Just bullying really.

Build a bridge.

If the priest was so incompetent why was he teaching prospective married people in the first place?

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:33pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Sore? Not at all sweetie, have a look what forum you are on. You seem to think you are a high brow debating forum although your Hitler remark would indicate you would be seriously out of your depth if you were.

Whatever forum you're on big fella you're no intellect! Your comments are.. sad to be honest. Are you a grown man whipping up places for the papal visit to do exactly what?

If the place is half empty everyone will know it's down to childish behaviour by big guys like Hitman! Grow up!

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:35pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

If the priest was so incompetent why was he teaching prospective married people in the first place?

Have you never had an incompetent teacher who wasn't a priest and you wondered why he/she was in the job?

PTH2009 · 26-06-2018 4:35pm

So will there be normal Sunday masses in places on the day he's in Phoenix Park or will they be postponed so every priest and nun in Ireland can go

ohnonotgmail · 26-06-2018 4:39pm

BliainanAir wrote: »

Have you never had an incompetent teacher who wasn't a priest and you wondered why he/she was in the job?

i can honestly say i have never had a teacher that did not know the basic facts of what they were teaching.

Hitman3000 · 26-06-2018 4:40pm

BliainanAir wrote:

Whatever forum you're on big fella you're no intellect! Your comments are.. sad to be honest. Are you a grown man whipping up places for the papal visit to do exactly what?

See comments like this really do you no favours. You're trying to contain your desire to go full ret**d with the insults but a few are squeezing out almost like verbal diarrhoea.
Any hoo off to enjoy the Sun after work may even get me a few more of them there free tickets. Take care y'all.

Hitman3000 · 26-06-2018 4:42pm

ohnonotgmail wrote:

i can honestly say i have never had a teacher that did not know the basic facts of what they were teaching.

Yeah but your teachers weren't using a work of fiction from 2000 years ago as a basis.

ohnonotgmail · 26-06-2018 4:45pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Yeah but your teachers weren't using a work of fiction from 2000 years ago as a basis.

thats a fair point.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:50pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

See comments like this really do you no favours. You're trying to contain your desire to go full ret**d with the insults but a few are squeezing out almost like verbal diarrhoea.
Any hoo off to enjoy the Sun after work may even get me a few more of them there free tickets. Take care y'all.

Your above post is diarrhoea. Not worth arguing with a man child!

Hitman3000 · 26-06-2018 4:52pm

BliainanAir wrote:

Your above post is diarrhoea. Not worth arguing with a man child!

I wasn't aware you were arguing, all I saw was veiled insult and unrestrained contempt for the opinions of others. Bigotry at it's clearest. Bye now.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:54pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Yeah but your teachers weren't using a work of fiction from 2000 years ago as a basis.

Bigoted comments as expected. Big men like you rarely take on Islam but take the easy option of the Catholic Church. And behind a screen.

Again I don't know you, but if you have been abused you need counseling and anger management.

Hope you sort yourself out.

BliainanAir · 26-06-2018 4:55pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I wasn't aware you were arguing, all I saw was veiled insult and unrestrained contempt for the opinions of others. Bigotry at it's clearest. Bye now.

And what exactly is your ticket booking only all the above.

You are the anti Catholic. That's bigotry by definition. You do realise that?

Get the help you need.

So who's going to see the Pope?

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