Gang Rape in Kildare

Literally every discussion on a crime on AH turns into- the following:

Person 1: "Jeez that lad who killed 400 people in Country X was a bit of a prick, they have a bit of previous for that aswell"

Person 2: "What are you talking about, you're so racist/xenophobic sure didnt an Irish person kill someone once. We're as bad as anyone"

Person 1: "Well the issues are a bit different and you are kind of taking things out of context when disputing someones right to point out, what seem to be, systematic/cultural issues in Country X that lead to these kind of incidents occurring regularly"

Person 2: "Here's a link to an article about an Irish person who killed someone once...."

bubblypop wrote: »

Someone posts about the offenders nationality / religion it's pointed out that it's irrelevant.

But it is most definitely relevant.

I was asked on this thread why I'm of the opinion that Muslim men are more likely to commit acts of sexual violence then those from other sectors of society, yet after I provided, verified, published government statistics highlighting that, and I'll repeat this ad nauseum, from a populace of 3%, Muslim men acount for 12% of all sexual assault convictions in the UK and a quite frankly shocking 75% of all grooming gangs, these facts went ignored by the usual suspects of After Hours who do not wish to discuss this topic with any depth other than to call those with opposing views, racist.

So, no, the nationality of sexual abusers is most definitely not irrelevant, as though we are stuck with our Irish rapists, we can however restrict the immigration of those men who hail from regions with historically repulsive attitudes toward women and the LGTB community.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

That wasn't humour,

It wasn't funny, but it was an attempt at humour.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

But it is most definitely relevant.

I was asked on this thread why I'm of the opinion that Muslim men are more likely to commit acts of sexual violence then those from other sectors of society, yet after I provided, verified, published government statistics highlighting that, and I'll repeat this ad nauseum, from a populace of 3%, Muslim men acount for 12% of all sexual assault convictions in the UK and a quite frankly shocking 75% of all grooming gangs, these facts went ignored by the usual suspects of After Hours who do not wish to discuss this topic with any depth other than to call those with opposing views, racist.

So, no, the nationality of sexual abusers is most definitely not irrelevant, as though we are stuck with our Irish rapists, we can however restrict the immigration of those men who hail from regions with historically repulsive attitudes toward women and the LGTB community.

So 4 times more likely to get done for rape, and 25 times more likely to be in a grooming gang.

Crawl back under your rock, u racist knuckledragger! When all attempts at thread derailment fail that'll hav'ta do. Sod it, when it's all u got, it'll hav'ta do!

enricoh wrote: »

So 4 times more likely to get done for rape, and 25 times more likely to be in a grooming gang.

Eh, no. That is making ridiculous jumps in logic. Much like SnakePlissken, you have taken a statistic and extrapolated far beyond what it says.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Again with the infantile attempts at name calling, the statistics do not lie, 75% of all grooming gangs are Muslim, and 12% of all sexual abusers are Muslim, from a general populace of 3% the cultural attitudes of Muslim men toward men are clear.

Except you made up that 3% figure didn't you? Muslims make up over 5% of the population but you just randomly took 3% as Muslim men. And it's not 12% of abusers, it's 12% of men currently serving a sentence for rape. I don't get why you do this. You could easily work with the real statistics and make your point. Why do you feel the need to add something to them?

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I also can't help but notice you completely ignored the many polls I referenced on tge thread which highlight the majority of UK Muslims wishing to have homosexuality criminilised.

I didn't ignore them, I just didn't comment on them. They were just another side bar you brought in to take attention away from you making up statistics about rapes.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Ae you okay with this?

No

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Do you believe this homophobia should be tolerated by the west?

No

SnakePlissken wrote: »

If the answer to the above is no, which I certainly hope it is, how do you suggest we prevent this homophobia from being brought to Ireland by peoples with the same cultural, geographic, and religious backgrounds as their UK counterparts?

Same way we overcame our own homophobia. Social pressure with legislative support.

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Except you made up that 3% figure didn't you? Muslims make up over 5% of the population but you just randomly took 3% as Muslim men.

You're really not covering yourself with any glory here.

I already provided my source to the 3% of the UK populace as being composed of Muslim Adult Males as the UK census 2011. The 5% total you've referenced includes the entire Muslim population, ie, inclusive of women and children, now I know you're not trying to discredit my posted numerics by inferring these same women and children might too be responsible for the 12% conviction rates because that would obviously be incredibly moronic.

Again, I've posted sources and statistics to support my claims, would you like to post your own or would you prefer to simply thumb your nose at those you disagree with without referencing any published studies?

Do you honestly expect anyone here to attribute any value to the anecdotes posted by one such as yourself who all too quickly resorts to name calling?

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Again with the infantile attempts at name calling, the statistics do not lie, 75% of all grooming gangs are Muslim, and 12% of all sexual abusers are Muslim, from a general populace of 3% the cultural attitudes of Muslim men toward women are clear.

I also can't help but notice you completely ignored the many polls I referenced on thread which highlight that the majority of UK Muslims wish for homosexuality to be criminilised.

Are you okay with this?

Do you believe this homophobia should be tolerated by the west?

If the answer to the above is no, which I certainly hope it is, how do you suggest we prevent this homophobia from being brought to Ireland by peoples with the same cultural, geographic, and religious backgrounds as their UK counterparts?

Homophobia is very much alive in Ireland already.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You're really not covering yourself with any glory here.

I already provided my source to the 3% of the UK populace as being composed of Muslim Adult Males as the UK census 2011. The 5% total you've referenced includes the entire Muslim population, ie, inclusive of women and children, now I know you're not trying to discredit my posted numerics by inferring these same women and children might too be responsible for the 12% conviction rates because that would obviously be incredibly moronic.

Again, I've posted sources and statistics to support my claims, would you like to post your own or would you prefer to simply thumb your nose at those you disagree with without referencing any published studies?

Do you honestly expect anyone here to attribute any value to the anecdotes posted by one such as yourself who all too quickly resorts to name calling?

Name calling? You mean Snakeyboy? I'll give you this, you do give me a good laugh. You post stats then completely misrepresent what they say. It's as simple as that. And I don't know why you do it. You could easily make your point with the real stats but you have this need to make them sound a little bit worse than they are.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Why not? We're currently in the position where we can tell homophobes trying to enter our country that they must respect our inclusive society if they wish to live alongside us, as the UK has shown with second and third generation Muslims who are demonstrably as homophobic as the generation which preceded them, after they're allowed entry into the country it is too late to educate them.

How do you identify a homophobe at the border?

Captain Obvious wrote: »

You post stats then completely misrepresent what they say

You've been asked time and time again to provide some reputable sources that might discredit the statistical data I provided, but you haven't, simply because you can't. I mean you even have the arrogance to argue with the UK census data.

You have your opinion, and I have my own, yet only one of us has posted statistical evidence as how that opinion was born.

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I live in the uk, know several Muslims here, 2 of them even go for beers after work on a Friday night. Never heard one of them pass a single remark while we have been out and seen gay people. Not even a second glance has been given by them.

I worked in several gay bars in Dublin when I lived there, the amount of abuse the customers got while outside having a cigarette was astounding. All from white Christian males with Irish accents

Who would have have thought hey?

Relevance to the post please?

SnakePlissken wrote: »

You've been asked time and time again to provide some reputable sources that might discredit the statistical data I provided, but you haven't, simply because you can't. I mean you even have the arrogance to argue with the UK census data.

You have your opinion, and I have my own, yet only one of us has posted statistical evidence as how that opinion was borne.

But I don't need another source, I use your own. You have a source that says 75% of grooming gang convictions are made up of Muslims. You add gang rapes to that statistic. You have a source that says 12% of rapists serving a sentance are Muslim, you change it to 12% of all sexual abuse offenders. The 3% figure you have provided no source for. You just assumed a 60 40 split in male and females whereas it's actually closer to 50 50 according to the 2011 census. It would have actually suited you to give the real figure but you again changed it for apparently no reason. It all adds up to you simply not being a trustworthy source for statistics.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

How did you know they were Christian, carrying bibles and crucifixes were they?

As for your personal anecdote I'm baffled as to its relevance. I never stated all UK Muslims were homophobic, I simply referenced the various reputable polls taken which indicate the majority are. From the sounds of it, your friends are indeed decent guys who I'd have no problem whatsoever welcoming into the country.

White Irish in Dublin city so yes I presumed the majority are Christian

Probably the same way you assume anyone of colour is a muslim.

Has it even been established yet what religion the perpetrators of this crime in the op where or what country they are from?

If not then It seems yourself and your anti Muslim cohorts have just made a leap of faith (pardon the pun) and assumed they are Muslim.

SnakePlissken wrote: »

I take serious umbrage with being called a racist. Not once have I mentioned race, mine my entire post history and you'll find not one single mention of skin colour. In fact it's you who has shown their bigotry with a quite frankly ludicrous claim that all white people are Christian.

Seeing as the majority of people in Ireland identify as Catholic on the census then it's fairly safe to assume that the majority of people I witnessed abusing the gay community during that time were in fact christians.

My agenda is to have some form of discourse as to why the majority of UK Muslims are provably homophobic, and why the ratio of sexual abusers in the UK is so highly skewed toward the Muslim community.

It's not their skin colour I have an issue with, it's their ideology which is not above criticism, and how ****ing dare you call me a racist for doing so.

The thread is about a gang rape that happened recently, the perpetrators were identified as "foreign nationals" yet yourself and your Ilk swiftly jumped in and presumed that they were of muslim descent. Can you point to me to a report where they have been identified by country or religion?

If not then you're bringing religion into this is proof enough of your continued bigotry and hatred for an entire religion.