What washing powder does Una Mulally use?

Signore Fancy Pants · 05-06-2018 05:15PM

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Goodshape · 05-06-2018 05:18PM

BandMember wrote: »

It shouldn't matter at all. You can't expect to achieve equality if you continually employ double standards.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me what gender someone is when I am forming an opinion of them. Never has, never will. I judge people on their merits (and demerits, if you will) - not on their gender. Until you can do the same, there will always be an issue because you will be making one.

BandMember · 05-06-2018 05:19PM

Goodshape wrote: »

Wouldn't it be? I think by definition, when you're talking about a gender-neutral topic like journalism, using gender-specific language of any sort would be sexist.

I freely admit I'd have less issue with it, simply because (as stated) it's already a male dominated profession, men aren't in danger of losing out, and a man calling a man a dick is not the same as man calling a woman a c*unt. In my opinion anyway.

Ah, there's those double standards in full flow yet again.....

Chewbacca wrote: »

Is that opinion not sexist?

Seems like your "sexism" agenda is too strong and making your rebuttals weak.

All that's happening here is that the thread is being sidetracked from the OP. As I said in my first post in the thread, a classic tactic....

Goodshape · 05-06-2018 05:26PM

Chewbacca wrote: »

A) Id find the opposite to be true. Id wager if we analysed the various threads over a 1 year period, that men are referenced and abused more on this site than women.

That stands to reason as there are more prominent male journalists than there are female.

Can you explain what you mean by "men unnecessarily dominate this profession". Are you suggesting male journalists are majorily hired due to their sex? Are you of the opinion that there should be a 50/50 ratio of sexes in the industry regardless of various factors?

I'm saying that there are more prominent male journalists than there are female, and that – as journalism is not a gender-specific profession in any way shape or form – that imbalance is unnecessary.

And I think it's highly disingenuous, again, to suggest that there are no historical or other factors at play which would create or contribute to that imbalance.

Is that opinion not sexist?

No, it's definitely not sexist to think that there should be a fair representation of both sexes in a profession such as journalism.

storker · 05-06-2018 05:26PM

Reagan Many Acorn wrote: »

Does anyone else find her almost frighteningly dictatorial? Fair enough, she has her views and she's entitled to them and in some cases a lot of people probably agree with her. [...] But her whole attitude seems to be 'I'm right and everyone else is wrong'

I agree with the above, even though I do agree on occasion with Ms Mulally, but any respect I might have had for her vanished when she said that the cause of the New Year's Eve sexual assaults in Germany was...men in general...all men.

To be fair though, an attitude of 'I'm right and everyone else is wrong' is some thing that could be said of many other columnists too. That's probably one reason why they're columnists.

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Goodshape · 05-06-2018 05:28PM

BandMember wrote: »

Ah, there's those double standards in full flow yet again.....

Because I take less issue with "sexist" language used against men?

I mean, I guess so, yeah. But it's not like I didn't state my reasons for it.

Killing a few whales in Japan makes headline news on BBC.com. Killing a cow? Not a whisper.

You can see why though, right?

05-06-2018 05:29PM

Goodshape wrote: »

Killing a few whales in Japan makes headline news on BBC.com. Killing a cow? Not a whisper.

Are you calling women cows or whales? I’m not sure they like either.

Goodshape · 05-06-2018 05:33PM

Omackeral wrote: »

Are you calling women cows or whales? I’m not sure they like either.

No, it's the women doing the killing! Murderous gee bags the lot of 'em!

:pac:

Ulysses Gaze · 05-06-2018 05:48PM

Goodshape wrote: »

So do you want equality of outcome or opportunity?

Effects · 05-06-2018 05:59PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

So do you want equality of outcome or opportunity?

Both please.

Ulysses Gaze · 05-06-2018 06:03PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Take a quick look through the Tommy Robinson thread and you'll see quite a few posters who have Nazi sympathies. Unless you deny that Tommy Robinson is a Nazi, in which case it's likely that you'll be blind to it.

There are some people on here whose 'concern' is more than 'slight'.

Tommy Robinson is not a Nazi . A ****, a gowl, a ballbag and a ****-stirrer yes. But he's not a NAZI.

Do you even really know what a Nazi is?

Ulysses Gaze · 05-06-2018 06:06PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

So do you want equality of outcome or opportunity?

Equality of outcome is impossible. Even in Communist/Socialist utopias you will always have disparities with the way people are treated or rewarded.

Yer Da sells Avon · 05-06-2018 06:09PM

Omackeral wrote: »

See the problem with a lot these left leaning people is that they deal in absolutes. You’re either this or your that. Nah, I don’t think Tommy Robinson is a nazi but I don’t think he’s a saint either. I think he’s a scotebag but I also think he has some valid points in some of what he says.

I'm sure he doesn't self-describe as a neo-nazi, but I find it hard to believe that he's genuinely moved on from his BNP, EDL days.

Signore Fancy Pants · 05-06-2018 06:09PM

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Goodshape · 05-06-2018 06:23PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

So do you want equality of outcome or opportunity?

I think that's a bit of a straw man in this discussion. We're not talking about giving one side preferential treatment in spite of their shortcoming – journalism is not something which either men or women are inherently better at doing, and yet men have a demonstrably easier time of it when expressing an opinion in the public sphere.

Men will almost always be debated, women will too often be dismissed as c*nts or gee bags, or in need of a good shag to calm themselves down.

When I say women should be given a break from that sort of sexist language, and someone shouts back "BUT WHAT ABOUT SEXISM TOWARDS MEN?!!?" – this is calling for everyone to have the same-sized box to stand on, totally regardless of need. It's calling for the image on the left.

It's not that nobody cares about your fragile male feelings, but really – you can already see over the fence just fine! You'll be alright.

05-06-2018 06:25PM

Goodshape wrote: »

I think that's a bit of a straw man in this discussion. We're not talking about giving one side preferential treatment in spite of their shortcoming – journalism is not something which either men or women are inherently better at doing, and yet men have a demonstrably easier time of it when expressing an opinion in the public sphere.

Whoa whoa whoa... strawperson

05-06-2018 06:29PM

Goodshape wrote: »

It's not that nobody cares about your fragile male feelings, but really – you can already see over the fence just fine! You'll be alright.

To get serious. Men die younger. Men suffer more workplace fatalities. Men make up the majority of homeless on out streets. Men are more likely to be victims of random violent assaults on nights out. Men find it incredibly more difficult to access custody over their children than their femal counterparts. Not everyone is on the same “box”

Quotas don’t work. Case by case in every case should be the way.

Goodshape · 05-06-2018 06:33PM

Chewbacca wrote: »

I'm not exclusively talking about journalists but sexes in general, discrediting your argument.

But the rest of us are talking about [a] journlist(s). Moving the goalposts doesn't discredit my argument.

It's not imbalanced by design, infering so is ridiculous. Is this how your mind works with everything?

Modern society wasn't designed around men? Dude. Read a history book.

Vladimir Poontang · 05-06-2018 06:34PM

Goodshape wrote: »

When the topic relates to a women's profession and someone chimes in with "she's a ****" or "she's a gee bag" then yes, I would call that sexist.

Particularly when it's been demonstrated that similar discussions about men in the same profession do not resort to the same level of abuse, whereas a similar discussion about a another women does, the difference seems to be centred around the persons sex. Which is sexist, yes.

You need to look up sexist in the dictionary. The only person making this about sexism is you.

Outlaw Pete · 05-06-2018 06:40PM

My favourite tweet of hers.

https://twitter.com/UnaMullally/status/810541447556583425?s=03

Goodshape · 05-06-2018 06:42PM

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

You need to look up sexist in the dictionary. The only person making this about sexism is you.

sexism (sĕkˈsĭzˌəm)
n. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.

discrimination (dĭ-skrĭmˌə-nāˈshən)
n. Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners.

I think that fits my use case perfectly to be fair.

Yer Da sells Avon · 05-06-2018 06:47PM

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

My favourite tweet of hers.

https://twitter.com/UnaMullally/status/810541447556583425?s=03

Fair play. I can't even remember what I tweeted yesterday, never mind eighteen months ago.

Outlaw Pete · 05-06-2018 06:51PM

Oh I always remember examples of comical lunacy, Ray.

Running a close second would be her tweet asking why Minstrel chocolates were allowed to get away with being racist.

Signore Fancy Pants · 05-06-2018 06:51PM

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Mutant z · 05-06-2018 06:54PM

super_furry wrote: »

I honestly worry for people like you, so obsessed and blinded by their hatred of islam that it crops up everywhere?

Una Mulally writes about Irish feminist issues? YEAH WELL WHY ISN'T SHE WRITING ABOUT THE MUSLAMICS IN ROTHERHAM?

If she claims to be a feminist she should care about what happens to young females who have suffered sexual abuse but she clearly picks and chooses what she is outraged by in terms of the oppression of women. You either support womens rights or you dont very few western feminists seem to care for genuine womens rights issues but extensive virtue signalling.

Signore Fancy Pants · 05-06-2018 06:58PM

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Vladimir Poontang · 05-06-2018 06:59PM

Goodshape wrote: »

sexism (sĕkˈsĭzˌəm)
n. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.

discrimination (dĭ-skrĭmˌə-nāˈshən)
n. Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice: racial discrimination; discrimination against foreigners.

I think that fits my use case perfectly to be fair.

It doesn't

Goodshape · 05-06-2018 07:03PM

Chewbacca wrote: »

I replied to this comment from you, "When the topic relates to a man's profession".....therefore not singling out one profession.

That's fair enough I suppose. But if you want to go broad, I'd wager if you analysed various threads over one year, you'd also find that men are referenced and praised more on this site than women. So it's kinda moot.

You have a big chip on your shoulder about men in the workplace.

Please don't tell me what I have.

Do you firmly believe that there should be a 50/50 split in all professions? What are your reasons for this?

That's a massive question and I wouldn't be comfortable giving a yes/no answer or a quick explanation.

If you'll allow me to simplify it a bit – I do think there are too many male voices in journalism and that female voices are too often attacked and drowned out.

By proxy, you are triggered by any profession where there is not a defined and tangible 50/50 split and any imbalance toward male dominance is 'unnecessary'.

Please don't tell me what I think.

Goodshape · 05-06-2018 07:03PM

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

It doesn't

It does

J Mysterio · 05-06-2018 07:12PM

Una Mullally is absolutely insufferable. She is indignant at everything and the ultimate whiner. She also clearly has the biggest of all chips on her shoulder as regards men.

Now I know by wading in this thread and criticising her, i will be pidgeon holed as some sort of woman hating paedo - but no. I saw a thread about Mullally, and i'm giving an opinion. Frankly, I dont like anyone who is so self righteous as she and I don't like people ramming their 'correct' opinions down my throat in such a virulent tone.

Having read the thread, I know evidence will be demanded of me, so behold some of the annoying headlines that encapsulate some of her more obnoxious recent articles.

*Young women already being written out of the story of repeal. The victory belongs to everyone but any analysis that does not place at its centre the feminist, women-led movement is bereft

- Completely unnecessary article. Where the bad men claiming that they 'won' the repeal vote, or what? Why not celebrate the fact that Irish society came together on this vote in a huge majority for womens rights? Instead it's 'women, won it!'. Reveals her mindset and her agenda.

*Una Mullally: Decency of Irish not limited to liberal Dublin

- Insulting headline. Dublin is hardly some eutopia of righteousness. Theres all types of people and they live in all types of places throughout Ireland. I know the article is intended to get at this point, but there is also the implication that people from outside Dublin were understood to be conservative, simple minded farming folk. They arent as cool as the Dublin folk and so tis a great surprise they could be possessed of the cool liberal attitudes of Mullally and co.

*Ireland’s cervical cancer shame shows women are still second-class citizens

- The cervical smear scandal was a disgrace that upset all right thinking individuals. It was clear to all once this blew up that changes need to be made and investigations undertaken. But no, 'women are second class citizens', and men are obviously first class and dont care about women getting cancer.

*Una Mullally: Rugby bodies must regain trust after rape trial. Disgusting WhatsApp messages and antics have eroded public respect for sportsplayers

- i mean... what? 'Rugby bodies must regain trust' - how is it their fault? Ulster and Ireland actually told them that they wont play for them again and had them oack their bags. The relevant rugby bodies dont tolerate that behaviour.

*Decent men are despondent. We need to put misogyny on trial. We need men to step up and challenge their own behaviour and the behaviour of their peers.

- These kind of arguments are just ridiculous. There are all types of men and we dont all subscribe to the same club with a clear code. Im not friendly with any men who display real misogynistic attitudes. It's just not kosher.

*Louise O’Neill: ‘The hardest place to maintain my feminism is in a relationship with a straight man’.

- Nonsense article on a morons book

*Male sexual dysfunction can no longer be ignored. Teaching women how to avoid predatory behaviour fails to address the core issue

- meh.

Finally, just because a man thinks a particular woman is a pain in the ass, does not mean that man is a woman hating misogynist. It means he thinks that a particular woman is a pain in the ass.

The long suffering, lemon sucking head on her.

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What washing powder does Una Mulally use?

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