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What washing powder does Una Mulally use?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,750 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You can see where this thread is heading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    She'll be delighted that she's hit the big time like Louise O'Neill with her own boards thread!

    Two cheeks of the same arse?

    Probably should be one thread?

    Equal character assassination for all!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    I'm beginning to be sorry I started it. I didn't realise certain posters would become so personal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Omackeral wrote: »
    “So you’re saying......” The Cathy Newman approach in all its glory.

    There’s no onus on her to cover UK stories at all, not saying there is. I am merely pointing out that she has no problems covering international issues as someone else was trying to make the incorrect point that she only writes about Irish things. She doesn’t.

    But that was in reply to a quote about Rotherham. She wrote a couple of articles about Trump so why not Rotherham. One is an international story therefore she should have written other international stories.
    I think we're on the same page, it's just that you didn't mention Rotherham.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Goodshape wrote: »
    There was no sexism or gender issue with what posts/threads?

    In the posts calling una a c*unt and a geebag? Suggesting she needs a shag? I disagree. That's why I brought it up.

    In the threads about Donoghue and Hook? Well, I've seen one and I agree that there wasn't. I haven't seen any others because you've not provided anything to back up your point.




    I wasn't the one calling a journalist a c*unt and a geebag. Or making unverifiable claims about supposed similar abuse elsewhere.

    Is calling a woman a c*nt or geebag sexist?


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  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The rules here don't allow you to call a nazi a nazi.

    No rule against showing that someone has typed nazi messages for all to see! If they’re there, link to them and I’ll gladly report them. They are against the rules and shouldn’t be allowed to stay up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Omackeral wrote: »
    No rule against showing that someone has typed nazi messages for all to see! If they’re there, link to them and I’ll gladly report them. They are against the rules and shouldn’t be allowed to stay up.

    Neo nazi in 2018 = Anyone that has a slight concern about open borders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Omackeral wrote: »
    So in other words, you’ve no examples. If there’s really neo nazis around here, you should tell us. Why protect them? They’re only vile scum.

    I would be banned but I saw similar stuff you abd your friends mention stated among Slavic neonazi groups. I intentionally said wannabes because it's not as bad but it's exactly the same vilification of the whole group of people for the crimes of some.


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    meeeeh wrote: »
    I would be banned but I saw similar stuff you abd your friends mention stated among Slavic neonazi groups. I intentionally said wannabes because it's not as bad but it's exactly the same vilification of the whole group of people for the crimes of some.

    What have I said that Slavic NeoNazi groups have said. Go on, back it up. Big claim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,736 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Omackeral wrote: »
    No rule against showing that someone has typed nazi messages for all to see! If they’re there, link to them and I’ll gladly report them. They are against the rules and shouldn’t be allowed to stay up.

    Take a quick look through the Tommy Robinson thread and you'll see quite a few posters who have Nazi sympathies. Unless you deny that Tommy Robinson is a Nazi, in which case it's likely that you'll be blind to it.
    Neo nazi in 2018 = Anyone that has a slight concern about open borders.

    There are some people on here whose 'concern' is more than 'slight'.


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  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Take a quick look through the Tommy Robinson thread and you'll see quite a few posters who have Nazi sympathies. Unless you deny that Tommy Robinson is a Nazi, in which case it's likely that you'll be blind to it.

    See the problem with a lot these left leaning people is that they deal in absolutes. You’re either this or your that. Nah, I don’t think Tommy Robinson is a nazi but I don’t think he’s a saint either. I think he’s a scotebag but I also think he has some valid points in some of what he says.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Is calling a woman a c*nt or geebag sexist?

    When the topic relates to a women's profession and someone chimes in with "she's a ****" or "she's a gee bag" then yes, I would call that sexist.

    Particularly when it's been demonstrated that similar discussions about men in the same profession do not resort to the same level of abuse, whereas a similar discussion about a another women does, the difference seems to be centred around the persons sex. Which is sexist, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Goodshape wrote: »
    When the topic relates to a women's profession and someone chimes in with "she's a ****" or "she's a gee bag" then yes, I would call that sexist.

    Particularly when it's been demonstrated that similar discussions about men in the same profession do not resort to the same level of abuse, whereas a similar discussion about a another women does, the difference seems to be centred around the persons sex. Which is sexist, yes.

    So it would be sexist to call a man a dick or a ballbag then yeah?


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Goodshape wrote: »
    When the topic relates to a women's profession and someone chimes in with "she's a ****" or "she's a gee bag" then yes, I would call that sexist.

    Particularly when it's been demonstrated that similar discussions about men in the same profession do not resort to the same level of abuse, whereas a similar discussion about a another women does, the difference seems to be centred around the persons sex. Which is sexist, yes.

    I know plenty of men who are c*nts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I know plenty of men who are c*nts.

    I know far more men who are c*nts than I do women. Am I only allowed call the men c*nts? What about equality and all that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    So it would be sexist to call a man a dick or a ballbag then yeah?

    When the topic relates to a man's profession? Yes I suppose it would.

    It'd be less of an issue though, because:

    a) it happens much much much much less often. As evidenced in this thread and other threads linked to or mentioned above.

    b) men unnecessarily dominate this profession so it's not a case of a few in danger of being drowned out or bullied into silence.

    c) it's usually fellow dick- and ballbag-owning men dishing out the 'abuse', which does make it more acceptable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Omackeral wrote: »
    I know plenty of men who are c*nts.

    Me for example :D

    However there is a certain amount of vitriol that seems to be reserved for female feminist writers. Just the tone seems to be completely different.
    It might be the feminism is a bugbear for a lot of people here. There's the usual crowd that are always creating threads about anything vaguely liberal (using the US terminology there). And they're always the same. It's always gender, women's rights or islam. And they're not being created by the lefty posters.


  • Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Grayson wrote: »
    Me for example :D

    However there is a certain amount of vitriol that seems to be reserved for female feminist writers. Just the tone seems to be completely different.
    It might be the feminism is a bugbear for a lot of people here. There's the usual crowd that are always creating threads about anything vaguely liberal (using the US terminology there). And they're always the same. It's always gender, women's rights or islam. And they're not being created by the lefty posters.

    But like...is a lot of that vitriol not tongue in cheek..because the stuff they're coming out with is ridiculous?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Goodshape wrote: »
    When the topic relates to a man's profession? Yes I suppose it would.

    It'd be less of an issue though, because:

    a) it happens much much much much less often. As evidenced in this thread and other threads linked to or mentioned above.

    b) men unnecessarily dominate this profession so it's not a case of a few in danger of being drowned out or bullied into silence.

    c) it's usually fellow dick- and ballbag-owning men dishing out the 'abuse', which does make it more acceptable.


    The irony of your double standards is simply laughable.... :pac::pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Take a quick look through the Tommy Robinson thread and you'll see quite a few posters who have Nazi sympathies. Unless you deny that Tommy Robinson is a Nazi, in which case it's likely that you'll be blind to it.



    There are some people on here whose 'concern' is more than 'slight'.

    Tommy Robinson is a Nazi? Do people know what Nazi means?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    Omackeral wrote: »
    See the problem with a lot these left leaning people is that they deal in absolutes.

    In fairness I think it's a problem with both "sides", each one believing the other is too black-and-white, too totalitarian.

    It's worth trying to keep in mind (for me too!) that that is rarely the case. We're all people with all sorts of different ideas.


    Just a silly anecdotal personal example: I'm about as liberal a lefty social snowflake as you could find and I don't have much problem saying so. I also think Jordan Peterson, while he is very over-played and over-revered, has some ideas worth hearing.

    And I'm really not sure about all this 'intersectionality', which does seem to be creating more niches and clusters of individuals to market products to. Have seen this myself with the commercialisation of Gay Pride. The parade in Dublin last year would have been better called Corporate Pride, with the amount of tech and other company logos all over the place.


    But... I will call out sexism when I see it. And calling a woman a c unt or a feminazi for having an opinion and doing her job, is sexism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    BandMember wrote: »
    The irony of your double standards is simply laughable.... :pac::pac::pac:

    Can you explain my double standards to me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Goodshape wrote: »
    Can you explain my double standards to me?


    In short, anyone who calls a woman a name in relation to their profession is a sexist pig. Anyone who calls a man a name in relation to their profession......well..........you know......that's kinda alright.....because.....

    Equality means it's one rule for all. So make your mind up which is acceptable.

    Once again, I'd like to point out that I have not called the subject of this thread any name or offered my opinion/thoughts on them one way or the other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Goodshape wrote: »
    When the topic relates to a man's profession? Yes I suppose it would.

    It'd be less of an issue though, because:

    a) it happens much much much much less often. As evidenced in this thread and other threads linked to or mentioned above.

    b) men unnecessarily dominate this profession so it's not a case of a few in danger of being drowned out or bullied into silence.

    c) it's usually fellow dick- and ballbag-owning men dishing out the 'abuse', which does make it more acceptable.

    No it wouldn’t but you had to agree it would or your argument doesn’t stand up. When you reverse the genders you see how silly it is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    BandMember wrote: »
    In short, anyone who calls a woman a name in relation to their profession is a sexist pig. Anyone who calls a man a name in relation to their profession......well..........you know......that's kinda alright.....because.....


    Well I clearly said that yes, I believe that by definition it would be sexist to use that language.

    I also think it would matter less than sexism vs. a woman because it matters less. It's less of an issue, it has less consequence, we can afford be less pro-active in stopping it.

    Those two points of view are not mutually exclusive and I think you're being disingenuous, to put it politely, if you claim not to see that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Goodshape wrote: »
    Well I clearly said that yes, I believe that by definition it would be sexist to use that language.

    I also think it would matter less than sexism vs. a woman because it matters less. It's less of an issue, it has less consequence, we can afford be less pro-active in stopping it.

    Those two points of view are not mutually exclusive and I think you're being disingenuous, to put it politely, if you claim not to see that.

    Maybe women are just more annoying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    No it wouldn’t but you had to agree it would or your argument doesn’t stand up. When you reverse the genders you see how silly it is.

    Wouldn't it be? I think by definition, when you're talking about a gender-neutral topic like journalism, using gender-specific language of any sort would be sexist.


    I freely admit I'd have less issue with it, simply because (as stated) it's already a male dominated profession, men aren't in danger of losing out, and a man calling a man a dick is not the same as man calling a woman a c*unt. In my opinion anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    Here’s how to avoid being called a c*nt or geebag.

    Step A - Don’t be acting the c*nt or geebag.

    Step B - Repeat step A.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,703 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭BandMember


    Goodshape wrote: »
    I also think it would matter less than sexism vs. a woman because it matters less. It's less of an issue, it has less consequence, we can afford be less pro-active in stopping it.


    It shouldn't matter at all. You can't expect to achieve equality if you continually employ double standards.

    Personally, it doesn't matter to me what gender someone is when I am forming an opinion of them. Never has, never will. I judge people on their merits (and demerits, if you will) - not on their gender. Until you can do the same, there will always be an issue because you will be making one.


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