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    #32
    tomofson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Fancy throwing out sheeple now, or do you want to save that one for later on?

    You already know exactly what you are I needn't say no more.

    Hope you enjoy your cheque from tel aviv university. How much are they paying each hasbara these days?


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    #33
    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Ah - the old "I'm not racist, I've a mate that's black" defence. Gotcha ;)

    No, not really. A sizeable amount of people involved in attacks are white and, 'recent converts', the issues surrounding terrorist activity are complicated. The idea that you can even broach the subject without tackling the thorny issues of questioning how a religion perceives others and educates to hate others, well, you'll get nowhere.


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    #34
    tomofson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Amalgam wrote: »
    No, not really. A sizeable amount of people involved in attacks are white and, 'recent converts', the issues surrounding terrorist activity are complicated. The idea that you can even broach the subject without tackling the thorny issues of questioning how a religion perceives others and educates to hate others, well, you'll get nowhere.

    A "sizable amount" are far from "white".

    Islam isn't the only religious extremism you are not allowed to tackle on (((boards.ie)))


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    #35
    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    tomofson wrote: »
    You already know exactly what you are I needn't say no more.

    Hope you enjoy your cheque from tel aviv university. How much are they paying each hasbara these days?

    If any of the hasbara are watching I would like to claim 5 years in back pay, gold, diamonds, euros, all acceptable.


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    #36
    [Deleted User]
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    everlast75 wrote: »
    An aśśhole with a gun is an aśśhole with a gun.

    He can claim religion as the motivation, or he can claim his boss was a prick and that made him do it, or he could have been spurned by some woman.

    His main reason is that he is an aśśhole.

    The difference between random school shootings in the US and this is possibility of a Yugoslavia or Lebanon type end result much much further down the line. We are ignoring the early warning signs. This could be for our grandchildren or their children even but its not worth the risk.


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    #37
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,126 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Amalgam wrote: »
    Keep being an apologist. The AGS are keeping you safe as I type.

    I went to a College with a Jewish curriculum, I have no problem with Hindus. Cheers.

    Yet you're picking what is a minority cult within in islam, wahhabism, and using it to slander an entire religion. You're also claiming integration doesn't work because of that tiny minority. This is despite people showing you that there are many european cities where it works. And showing you that muslims weren't blowing people up.

    The simple fact is that, whatever school you went to, they didn't teach you what inductive reasoning is. Or deductive for that matter. You use logic which can't be extended beyond your very narrow world view. You use arguments for one religion which you wouldn't apply to others. You have a bias which is clouding your ability to come to rational conclusions.

    As for calling me an apologist? How am I one? I've never defended a terrorist. I've never said that violence is right. So how am I an apologist? Is it because I say that not all muslims are terrorists? that's true. Is it because I say it's wrong to label a whole group because of the actions of a few, actions they don't condone or have control over? that's true too. But at no point have I ever excused the actions of a terrorist.


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    #38
    inforfun
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    We got a name.


    Benjamin Herman. 36 years of age.

    And oh, radicalised in prison which he left yesterday.

    Attacked 2 female police officers from behind with a knife after which he got their guns and shot them.
    After that he killed a 25 year male in a car., took a woman hostage, injured 4 more police after which he was finally dealt with.

    And here he is with the guns:

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    #39
    Amalgam
    Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Grayson wrote: »
    Yet you're picking what is a minority cult within in islam, wahhabism, and using it to slander an entire religion. You're also claiming integration doesn't work because of that tiny minority. This is despite people showing you that there are many european cities where it works. And showing you that muslims weren't blowing people up.

    The simple fact is that, whatever school you went to, they didn't teach you what inductive reasoning is. Or deductive for that matter. You use logic which can't be extended beyond your very narrow world view. You use arguments for one religion which you wouldn't apply to others. You have a bias which is clouding your ability to come to rational conclusions.

    As for calling me an apologist? How am I one? I've never defended a terrorist. I've never said that violence is right. So how am I an apologist? Is it because I say that not all muslims are terrorists? that's true. Is it because I say it's wrong to label a whole group because of the actions of a few, actions they don't condone or have control over? that's true too. But at no point have I ever excused the actions of a terrorist.

    I picked out Wahhabism because *that* is the problem, not being a Muslim, you're choosing to filter what I'm posting, to suit your pigeonholing needs.

    Pot, kettle.


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    #40
    tomofson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Not the first time an attack of this sort has happened in liege

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Li%C3%A8ge_attack

    Won't be the last time either.


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    #41
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭weisses


    Grayson wrote: »
    Yet you're picking what is a minority cult within in islam, wahhabism, and using it to slander an entire religion. You're also claiming integration doesn't work because of that tiny minority. This is despite people showing you that there are many european cities where it works. And showing you that muslims weren't blowing people up.

    When you get rid of all the predominantly Muslim neighborhoods (terror breeding grounds) you have a point... Or maybe point me to the people who showed integration is just fine an integration is working ... Im curious


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    #42
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Tiny minority blah blah...

    lets-not-jump-to-conclusions-aaannndddits-muslims.jpg


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    #43
    everlast75
    Registered Users Posts: 19,013 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    weisses wrote: »
    When you get rid of all the predominantly Muslim neighborhoods (terror breeding grounds) you have a point... Or maybe point me to the people who showed integration is just fine an integration is working ... Im curious

    Boards - this was a muslim attack!!!

    *turns out not to be*

    Boards - um... well... maybe not this time..
    but it's only a matter of time blah blah blah


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    #44
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,729 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Very sad situation again for the family and friends of these innocent victims, these attacks will never make sense.


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    #45
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    robarmstrong wrote: »
    I'm gonna be really blunt here and horribly insensitive - but what the f*ck?

    Honestly, look at the difference between reactions here when it's a school shooting by a white male and a shooting done by an immigrant* who "failed to integrate"?

    They are both crimes, done by sick, sick individuals and there is absolutely no need or reason to push personal racial agendas on the matter.

    Literally all threads like this somehow end up extreme Muslim bashing whereas there's nowhere near the amount of vitriol when it's a young school shooter off his rocker in the US?


    There are always different levels of reaction. Compare last weeks murder of Jastine Valdez with the latest murder of a young man in Louth. Like night and day in terms of reaction.


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    #46
    tomofson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    thebull85 wrote: »
    There are always different levels of reaction. Compare last weeks murder of Jastine Valdez with the latest murder of a young man in a Louth. Like night and day in terms of reaction.

    In today's radical feminist dominated society a males life is meaningless, and we let it happen.

    Radical feminism needs to get the boot sometime soon.


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    #47
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭weisses


    everlast75 wrote: »
    Boards - this was a muslim attack!!!

    *turns out not to be*

    Boards - um... well... maybe not this time..
    but it's only a matter of time blah blah blah

    Why are you quoting me ?

    I do not disagree with the above


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    #48
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    inforfun wrote: »
    And oh, radicalised in prison which he left yesterday.

    Radicalized vegan?
    Radicalized far right?
    Radicalized what?

    Islam presumably if they didn't mention anything? Kinda important bit of information to leave out really? Or is that just the new meaning of radicalized?

    Or do they just mean 'came out worse than he went in'?


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    #49
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭weisses


    tomofson wrote: »
    In today's radical feminist dominated society a males life is meaningless, and we let it happen.

    Radical feminism needs to get the boot sometime soon.

    Jesus ... that turned nasty quickly

    Any other groups you have an issue with ? Dont bottle it all up


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    #50
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,202 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    weisses wrote: »
    Jesus ... that turned nasty quickly

    Any other groups you have an issue with ? Dont bottle it all up

    I'm dissapointed there was no #CryptoIslamoFascism that was a great buzzword.


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    #51
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    wexie wrote: »
    Radicalized vegan?
    Radicalized far right?
    Radicalized what?

    Islam presumably if they didn't mention anything? Kinda important bit of information to leave out really? Or is that just the new meaning of radicalized?

    Or do they just mean 'came out worse than he went in'?


    According to RTE news, the attacker shouted god is great in Arabic. Make what you will of that.


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    #52
    cfuserkildare
    Registered Users Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭cfuserkildare


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Yeah, I wonder what your opinion is when a school shooting happens, do you blame immigration then too?


    You mean like when Islamic State claim credit for the attack?


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    #53
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭weisses


    wexie wrote: »
    Radicalized vegan?
    Radicalized far right?
    Radicalized what?

    Islam presumably if they didn't mention anything? Kinda important bit of information to leave out really? Or is that just the new meaning of radicalized?

    Or do they just mean 'came out worse than he went in'?

    Apparently he was fukced up when he went in and needed little to become even more messed up .... Thats what prisons do

    Bigger question is, why did they let him out on leave? as I seen i various reports


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    #54
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    Latest reports say he shot the police with their own guns.


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    #55
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    thebull85 wrote: »
    According to RTE news, the attacker shouted god is great in Arabic. Make what you will of that.

    Well I guess he's unlikely to be a Hasidic Jew so.

    Read an earlier Belgian article where they also mentioned he was 'radicalized' but nothing beyond that.

    Found it a bit odd they wouldn't just come out and say it.


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    #56
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    thebull85 wrote: »
    According to RTE news, the attacker shouted god is great in Arabic. Make what you will of that.

    Those damn Mormons.


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    #57
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭weisses


    thebull85 wrote: »
    According to RTE news, the attacker shouted god is great in Arabic. Make what you will of that.

    I can make mentally unstable people eat their own poo .. So surely a Prison environment can radicalize a nutter and make him say Allahu Akbar



    Or is that to far fetched


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    #58
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭wexie


    weisses wrote: »
    Apparently he was fukced up when he went in and needed little to become even more messed up .... Thats what prisons do

    Bigger question is, why did they let him out on leave? as I seen i various reports

    Was he on leave or just finished his sentence (that's what I read, or at least how I interpreted it).

    If he was on leave I'd imagine there'll be some words had with whoever signed off on that.


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    #59
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭weisses


    thebull85 wrote: »
    Latest reports say he shot the police with their own guns.

    He only had a serrated knife when he approached the female cops ..... mind boggles why they didnt made swiss cheese out of that fukcer


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    #60
    tomofson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    weisses wrote: »
    I can make mentally unstable people eat their own poo .. So surely a Prison environment can radicalize a nutter and make him say Allahu Akbar



    Or is that to far fetched

    So basically it wasn't islam no matter what, okay gotcha.


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    #61
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,437 ✭✭✭weisses


    tomofson wrote: »
    So basically it wasn't islam no matter what, okay gotcha.

    He was radicalized ... what don't you understand ?


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