Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

Itssoeasy · 26-05-2018 04:10PM

Water John wrote: »

It was Dr Rhona O'Mahony Master of the largest maternity hospital in the country, who was cornered by three male politicians and being instructed, in 2013. MMOC cleared them.

Yeah she said it on RTÉ earlier. Who are the three male politicians do we know ? I could guess.

tigger123 · 26-05-2018 04:10PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I understand that but only Ronan Mullen has said publicly that he will actively not support the bill and I'm assuming trying to water it down to the point of it being 8th amendment lite.

He's only one Senator. Thankfully there's not a whole load he can do.

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 04:11PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

America has among the highest gun crime rates in the world. Do you want to keep up with them on that too because they are "modern".
A number of impoverished nations much worse off than Ireland also have abortion freely available.

Venezuela also has abortion freely available. Reminfmd what state they are in?

So your comparisions are largely invalid.

Try again.

Poor comparison. America might have the highest gun crime rate in the world, but most developed western societies do not as they have much tighter restrictions and attitudes. Hence I would follow the developed western societies and not the outlier that is the USA. Wouldn't you?

Billy86 · 26-05-2018 04:11PM

DickSwiveller wrote: »

You mean you disagree with them.

No, he means their whole campaign was based on a lack of sensitivity, scare mongering and lies.

Lackey · 26-05-2018 04:12PM

Dookie Monster wrote: »

Should be excommunicated. In fact if you have an abortion or help procure one, you are already

And the priests who show compassion and care to families, and overseen a burial in a Catholic graveyard, and blessing of babies with FFA who were induced in England because that option was not available in Ireland.

Should those priests be ex communicated too?

I wish everyone would stop with the Catholic sh!ite...its 2018, you can have your religion and still vote yes to SSM and 8th and everything in between.

Many people of faith called for repeal.

DickSwiveller · 26-05-2018 04:12PM

Necrominus wrote: »

Yeah, populists gonna populist.

My hope is they are voted out at the next GE, truly show the Healy-Raes and their ilk that parish pump politics in Ireland is a thing of the past.

Country, not constituency first.

But I doubt it will bring about meaningful change tbh.

What is with you people? Do you want any diversity of opinion in politics? Does everyone have to be a liberal trendy? I don't want to live in country where conformist and groupthink opinion are the only ones allowed

erica74 · 26-05-2018 04:13PM

neonsofa · 26-05-2018 04:15PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I sincerely hope you have the b#lls to tell the child of a single mother who has been left in the situation you describe you think it would have been better they were aborted. I doubt you will have that courage. Many women have been put in difficult positions I agree. Many produced the most wonderful children which brought great happiness to their mothers and grandparents lives. Do you still think they should have been aborted?

I'm a single mother, brought my own wonderful kids to the polling station yesterday and voted yes. To allow them to make their own choices just like I did.

Necro · 26-05-2018 04:15PM

DickSwiveller wrote:

What is with you people? Do you want any diversity of opinion in politics? Does everyone have to be a liberal trendy? I don't want to live in country where conformist and groupthink opinion are the only ones allowed

Of course I want diversity. I want my TDs to put their country first....

You know, the JOB they are elected to do?

Leave the surfacing of roads to the county councillors who are also elected officials.

DickSwiveller · 26-05-2018 04:16PM

Necrominus wrote: »

Of course I want diversity. I want my TDs to put their country first....

You know, the JOB they are elected to do?

Leave the surfacing of roads to the county councillors who are also elected officials.

So do I. But they shouldn't all have to conform to one view which is what many here seem to think.

Itssoeasy · 26-05-2018 04:18PM

What is interesting is that political rivals from very different political views. I mean MLMcD and Michael Martin being best friends. Brid smith being on camera with the same FG TDs who in the dail she would be disagreeing with.

Noveight · 26-05-2018 04:19PM

erica74 wrote: »

Why so?

Much of the reaction seems to be a bit over the top and bordering on vicariousness, tbh.

Necro · 26-05-2018 04:20PM

DickSwiveller wrote:

So do I. But they shouldn't all have to conform to one view which is what many here seem to think.

Wasn't the intention of my post, but I would imagine those who voted No should in fact feel abandoned by those in office who shared their views but now intend to toe the party line, or in the case of the independents... whatever keeps them in the money.

It might be political suicide but those elected officials who voted No should now live or die (politically) by that vote.

CruelCoin · 26-05-2018 04:23PM

Necrominus wrote: »

Did you read your own link and notice the flaw yet?

I posted two links.

It's sorted. Don't worry about it.

Feel free to dance around the point that was made though.

North and west are lower in the vote.

It's odd, and i feel its worth talking about.

Fr_Dougal · 26-05-2018 04:23PM

erica74 wrote: »

I wish all these “never again” people would shut up until we actually have the law changed. There will be plenty more women traveling to the UK. Nothing has changed, yet.

erica74 · 26-05-2018 04:23PM

Noveight wrote: »

Much of the reaction seems to be a bit over the top and bordering on vicariousness, tbh.

Why do you think it's over the top? Do you know the people whose reactions you have witnessed? Do you know why they may be reacting so strongly?

Shurimgreat · 26-05-2018 04:23PM

Necrominus wrote: »

Yeah, populists gonna populist.

My hope is they are voted out at the next GE, truly show the Healy-Raes and their ilk that parish pump politics in Ireland is a thing of the past.

Country, not constituency first.

But I doubt it will bring about meaningful change tbh.

Agreed about populism. Its an Irish gombeen thing. People will always vote for the politician who changes their views overnight if they think there's more votes to be had rather than holding strong convictions either way.

You only have to look at the pathetic populism of FF, Sinn Fein and the Healy Raes over water charges to see it at its worst. They were for charges until they saw the votes were going to the other side. The Healy Raes were against charges and Irish Water but supplied machinery to them. You couldn't make it up.

enda1 · 26-05-2018 04:24PM

Necrominus wrote: »

Of course I want diversity. I want my TDs to put their country first....

You know, the JOB they are elected to do?

Leave the surfacing of roads to the county councillors who are also elected officials.

TDs are actually supposed to represent their constituencies, not their country

It wasnt me123 · 26-05-2018 04:24PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I understand that but only Ronan Mullen has said publicly that he will actively not support the bill and I'm assuming trying to water it down to the point of it being 8th amendment lite.

Nah, no-one is listening to him, not even the people on his own side.

He will be overwhelmed in the Seanad, the majority of TDs that were No voters, seem to say that as the majority was so large they won't stand in the way of the legislation. Ronan Mullen will just look like the ignoramous he is

erica74 · 26-05-2018 04:27PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I wish all these “never again” people would shut up until we actually have the law changed. There will be plenty more women traveling to the UK. Nothing has changed, yet.

To be fair, from what I've seen and read, "never again" is used in respect of what happened to Savita. I read it as a demand rather than a proclamation.

Noveight · 26-05-2018 04:28PM

erica74 wrote: »

Why do you think it's over the top?

Because their reaction seems to be making a bit of a carnival of the whole thing, like it's a personal achievement of theirs that the Yes vote has gone through. Furthermore, it is disrespectful of those who who voted No and I don't believe that is called for. Gloating over the result or claiming a moral high-ground isn't beneficial to anyone, nor is it a good reflection on a person themselves.

erica74 wrote: »

Do you know the people whose reactions you have witnessed?

Indeed I do, very well.

erica74 wrote: »

Do you know why they may be reacting so strongly?

No idea why they'd react as they have chosen to, precisely the reason why I believe it's unwarranted.

Dookie Monster · 26-05-2018 04:29PM

Amalgam wrote: »

Cruel and callous is a sceptic tank full of anonymous corpses. Devoid of dignity and identity. Their Mothers driven to the very end of their emotional and physical wits.

Two wrongs don't make a right

It wasnt me123 · 26-05-2018 04:29PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

I wish all these “never again” people would shut up until we actually have the law changed. There will be plenty more women traveling to the UK. Nothing has changed, yet.

You think?

I would wager a bet (but the topic is so serious) that if a woman went to her doctor now, even before the legislation is enacted, their stance would be a lot different. Now they could give information and discuss options without fear of census. No doctor will be criticised for that even before the legislation is passed.

CruelCoin · 26-05-2018 04:31PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

America has among the highest gun crime rates in the world. Do you want to keep up with them on that too because they are "modern".

If you had to choose between the states and syria, i know which you'd choose, so stop trying to move the goalposts.

spookwoman · 26-05-2018 04:31PM

This says it all about the No side

Necro · 26-05-2018 04:32PM

enda1 wrote:

TDs are actually supposed to represent their constituencies, not their country

Represent their constituencies on national issues. That doesn't happen in a lot of cases

sonofenoch · 26-05-2018 04:34PM

Euthanasia next.....if people say yes that (women) have the freedom of choice with their own bodies ie terminate a life in it ..............why is the freedom of choice to terminate your own life so taboo

MadYaker · 26-05-2018 04:35PM

Theres going to be a reckless session in Galway tonight. I canfeel it coming

Shurimgreat · 26-05-2018 04:35PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Poor comparison. America might have the highest gun crime rate in the world, but most developed western societies do not as they have much tighter restrictions and attitudes. Hence I would follow the developed western societies and not the outlier that is the USA. Wouldn't you?

I can name several impovereished sh1tholes relative to Ireland instead where abortion is freely available. The poster made an irrelevant point. I think I'd rather live in San Marino than Venezuela. I'm sure you'd feel the same way

amcalester · 26-05-2018 04:35PM

sonofenoch wrote: »

Euthanasia next.....if people say yes that (women) have the freedom of choice with their own bodies ie terminate a life in it ..............why is the freedom of choice to terminate your own life so taboo

Nothing stopping a government legislating for that at the minute.

Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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