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Exit poll: The post referendum thread. No electioneering.

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    #2492
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    the crying by the no brigade has been something else.

    Of course had they won the same people who they are now trying to belittle would have been called the voice of the country,
    But because the vote did not go their way, they are trying to make out the yes voters are stupid, or only voted yes because they are sheep or other such nonsense.

    Thankfully that old brainwashed mindset of the No brigade is a dying thing.
    Suck it up


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    #2493
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    At 12 weeks it has arms and legsl and a heartbeat. Remember what a 12 week scan is like?

    Yes, as I have a newborn. The fact is that at 12 weeks gestation he wasn't a baby. 12 weeks after he is born, he is a baby.


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    #2494
    storker
    Registered Users Posts: 5,654 ✭✭✭storker


    greenpilot wrote: »
    Our Old Boys club actually surprised me with their progressive vote, probably down to the amount of young men who have recently joined.

    They never called me back after the open evening. Gits... :D




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    #2495
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    storker wrote: »
    PressRun wrote: »
    The Irish media would want to take a look at themselves after this as well. Their misguided attempts to provide "balance" all the time and giving platforms to religious fundamentalists has completely misrepresented the views of the electorate and led to a situation where people are actually shocked by this result. Hardly anyone agrees with the views of the Iona Institute, so why are we being led to believe that they legitimately represent a significant section of Irish society? Present the views of the people as they are and stop pandering to extremists.

    I get what you're saying, but the problem is that you don't know what the balance actually is until the vote has been cast. There are opinion polls, of course, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with the idea of allocating media access/airtime based on their results. In any case, this referendum seems to have shown that it's the argument that wins it, not the airtime.

    (And looking at it from another angle, I wouldn't be surprised the the No side would have polled better if they'd had less airtime, particularly Maria 50%-isn't-enough-I-want-it-all Steen. :))



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    No side wasn't going to win no matter what because the Republic of Ireland is more liberal than conservative. That's pretty much it. It doesn't have a big solid base of conservatives whatsoever. Not one conservative Irish party.


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    #2496
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,750 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    greenpilot wrote: »
    Couple of things:

    The Orange order advocated a No. Vote and it was mentioned on another Forum that the Freemasons in Ireland did the same. This is incorrect, in fact the majority of lodges in Ireland went with a Yes vote. Folks confuse the Orange order with Freemasonry but we have absolutely nothing to do with them. They just borrowed some regalia and symbols from us. Our Old Boys club actually surprised me with their progressive vote, probably down to the amount of young men who have recently joined.

    Secondly, I see that Declan Ganley has threatened to " Track Down" the creators of the Love Both Drogheda parody account using his "considerable resources.". I think, Mr. Ganley you will find that the Freemasons have you trumped in the Considerable Resourses department! The age old battle between the Church (Opus Dei) and the Masonic orders, eh. Anyway, on behalf of the Masonic community I am pleasantly surprised with the result
    Congratulations to all!

    So all the NO voters share the values of the church and the Iona and the UUP and all YES voters share the idiotic values of the Freemasons?


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    #2497
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Carlow/Kilkenny
    69,860
    YES - 44,211 (63.5%)
    NO - 25,418 (36.5%)
    Spoil 231

    4 of their 5 TDs were OPPOSED to repeal apparently. Yeep! :o

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    Wicklow (didn't get the specific numbers)
    74.3% YES
    25.7% NO


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    #2498
    Bowlardo
    Registered Users Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Bowlardo


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Carlow/Kilkenny
    69,860
    YES - 44,211 (63.5%)
    NO - 25,418 (36.5%)
    Spoil 231

    Wicklow (didn't get the specific numbers)
    74.3% YES
    25.7% NO

    Honda cats!


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    #2499
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Mattie McGrath on RTE now trying to turn this into an unrelated "we need more men in government rant" but at least from what I heard not going to the depths of Mullen by trying to reject democracy.

    Jaysus, what did Mullen say?


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    #2500
    Trasna1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Trasna1


    greenpilot wrote: »
    Couple of things:

    The Orange order advocated a No. Vote and it was mentioned on another Forum that the Freemasons in Ireland did the same. This is incorrect, in fact the majority of lodges in Ireland went with a Yes vote. Folks confuse the Orange order with Freemasonry but we have absolutely nothing to do with them. They just borrowed some regalia and symbols from us. Our Old Boys club actually surprised me with their progressive vote, probably down to the amount of young men who have recently joined.

    Secondly, I see that Declan Ganley has threatened to " Track Down" the creators of the Love Both Drogheda parody account using his "considerable resources.". I think, Mr. Ganley you will find that the Freemasons have you trumped in the Considerable Resourses department! The age old battle between the Church (Opus Dei) and the Masonic orders, eh. Anyway, on behalf of the Masonic community I am pleasantly surprised with the result
    Congratulations to all!
    I thought the freemasons were not allowed to discuss politics? The conspiracies are true?!


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    #2501
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    martingriff wrote: »
    So all the NO voters share the values of the church and the Iona and the UUP and all YES voters share the idiotic values of the Freemasons?

    What idiotic values ?


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    #2502
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    A lot of people which tick Catholic on the census must have voted yes


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    #2503
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    greenpilot wrote: »
    Couple of things:

    The Orange order advocated a No. Vote and it was mentioned on another Forum that the Freemasons in Ireland did the same. This is incorrect, in fact the majority of lodges in Ireland went with a Yes vote. Folks confuse the Orange order with Freemasonry but we have absolutely nothing to do with them. They just borrowed some regalia and symbols from us. Our Old Boys club actually surprised me with their progressive vote, probably down to the amount of young men who have recently joined.

    Secondly, I see that Declan Ganley has threatened to " Track Down" the creators of the Love Both Drogheda parody account using his "considerable resources.". I think, Mr. Ganley you will find that the Freemasons have you trumped in the Considerable Resourses department! The age old battle between the Church (Opus Dei) and the Masonic orders, eh. Anyway, on behalf of the Masonic community I am pleasantly surprised with the result
    Congratulations to all!

    Must be why I know lots of Masons in the Order. Personally!


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    #2504
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,750 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    gctest50 wrote: »
    What idiotic values ?

    Right whatever your having yourself. Just look at the Freemason mega thread


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    #2505
    Dookie Monster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 ✭Dookie Monster


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    A lot of people which tick Catholic on the census must have voted yes

    Should be excommunicated. In fact if you have an abortion or help procure one, you are already


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    #2506
    Zerbini Blewitt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Zerbini Blewitt


    I voted in plenty of referendums before. All worthy issues but I simply focussed on the issue, made a decision & voted.

    But because of the way this 35 year horror show developed over the decades - this vote felt like wielding REAL sovereign power.

    Power greater than the President, greater than the Taoiseach, greater than the Dail, greater than the chief justice of the Supreme Court, greater than the Supreme Court itself;
    Even greater than the accumulated power wielded by wealthy business tycoons.

    That is quite something.

    I’m reasonably confident also that this means the end of US Bible belt dollars flowing into the country.

    As someone else said, this is the end of a truly shameful chapter in our history.

    What a relief.


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    #2507
    pl4ichjgy17zwd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    suicide_circus wrote:
    A lot of people which tick Catholic on the census must have voted yes

    I helped my aunt fill out the Census because she has trouble reading. She ticked the Catholic box and I said 'are you sure?' knowing she, at the very least, is non-practicing. She said 'well I believe something'. She voted yes.

    So, I think that yes, there's plenty of Catholics who voted yes, but also plenty of people who ticked that box for convenience.


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    #2508
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Dookie Monster wrote:
    Should be excommunicated. In fact if you have an abortion or help procure one, you are already

    Please, please excommunicate me. Seeing as the route to having myself removed from the Church has been blocked...


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    #2509
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    A lot of people which tick Catholic on the census must have voted yes

    Well, Michael Harding is a religious person and made a plea for Yes on TV3 the other night. He evoked “let he who is without sin...”. It was pretty powerful stuff and eye-opening.


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    #2510
    Fighting Tao
    Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Should be excommunicated. In fact if you have an abortion or help procure one, you are already

    You're a laugh a minute!

    So, if I had ticked 'catholic' and voted Yes yesterday, would the RCC cross-reference that private data with the private vote I had? :rolleyes:


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    #2511
    erica74
    Registered Users Posts: 2,619 ✭✭✭erica74


    I presume the loveboth and save the 8th people will now be using their resources to campaign for better sex education, free contraception, a change in our adoption policies and adoption system, better supports for parents who go ahead with an unplanned pregnancy, better access to supports for victims of rape, incest, domestic abuse, longer sentences for rapists and paedophiles... I'm sure there was other stuff they suggested could take the place of abortion but that was generally the gist of it.


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    #2512
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Jaysus, what did Mullen say?
    Basically that while the people have spoken (which he acknowledges) that will be fighting any legislation that has to do with abortion, thus completely rejecting the referendum.

    I am ready for a lot of "we have already decided that we are going to say no to whatever you propose and do all we can to slow it down for as long as possible" carry on from the likes of him. If they start having peculiarly large legal teams and resources with which to do this and meddle in our actual national legislation, it's long past time for the government to demand these show the full extent of their funding and where it comes from.



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    Waterford 64.3% YES / 35.7% NO


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    #2513
    greenpilot
    Registered Users Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Trasna1 wrote: »
    I thought the freemasons were not allowed to discuss politics? The conspiracies are true?!

    Correct. But not in open lodge.


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    #2514
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    podgemonster wrote: »
    Huge historic day. A seismic result, a country moving forward. Women fighting for their rights and winning. No division between rural and urban, a land united. We listened to the experts and to women.

    I've a big aul penis on me there and I voted Yes. So did plenty of my less endowed friends. We all fought for it, for our sisters, daughters, mothers etc. and I'm glad of that fact.


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    #2515
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Should be excommunicated. In fact if you have an abortion or help procure one, you are already


    The problem is the catholic church, the biggest kiddie fiddling ring ever is just a church.
    You do not need the church to believe in god. Plenty members in my family believe in God but dont believe in the church.


    I personally do not believe in the invisible man, but you do not need to to have compassion, decency, etc and for people to claim others have some divine right over others based on how they voted shows they have very little understanding themselves.


    The days of the church brainwashing people are over, especially for the young.
    Get over it and learn to accept it.


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    #2516
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Well, Michael Harding is a religious person and made a plea for Yes on TV3 the other night. He evoked “let he who is without sin...”. It was pretty powerful stuff and eye-opening.

    Saw that, thought it was very powerful too.

    That man talks a lot of sense.


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    #2517
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Irelands landslide exit poll results in favour of repeal are top news story in many of the world major news channels
    Great day for ireland :)


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    #2518
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Disgusting comment. What about the unborn baby? What about the father?

    If the father doesn’t want his baby aborted then he shouldn’t be getting women pregnant.


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    #2519
    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,750 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    martingriff wrote: »
    Right whatever your having yourself. Just look at the Freemason mega thread

    Apologise may have gotten Freemason and Freeman as the same which they aint


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    #2520
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    amcalester wrote: »
    If the father doesn’t want his baby aborted then he shouldn’t be getting women pregnant.
    I see what you did there, well played.


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    #2521
    salmocab
    Registered Users Posts: 11,314 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    Dookie Monster wrote: »
    Should be excommunicated. In fact if you have an abortion or help procure one, you are already

    Well they don’t excommunicate child rapists, in fact they just moved them where they can find more victims so I suspect people are safe enough with their own conscience.


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