Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

TomOnBoard · 24-05-2018 07:53PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I am not familiar with GPS and its uses so didn't think of it
The thankfully did not refer to Hennessy at all . Its a turn of phrase . I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth or interprete my post ?

Jeez, I'm not having a pop at you. I read your post and pointed out the alternative method by which her remains could/might have been found. And I said that if the GPS angle had not been relevant, then his note would have assumed greater significance as it would have been the only means by which a speedy recovery would have occurred. And that would make us all squirm a little, because all week the narrative has been then he is/was scum, with absolutely no redeeming features.

Don't be sensitive about using the word thankfully. I know exactly what you mean. The point I made was mine alone and the conclusion was mine which resulted from logical thinking.

Ultimate Seduction · 24-05-2018 08:22PM

Not sure if this is a bit too graphic for this thread so delete it if disrespectful. But how was the note he wrote blood soaked? He wrote the note 24 hours after murdering her so how would he still have wet blood on his hands. Also, didn't he strangle her, so why would she be bleeding that amount of blood?

ConnyMcDavid · 24-05-2018 08:25PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Not sure if this is a bit too graphic for this thread so delete it if disrespectful. But how was the note he wrote blood soaked? He wrote the note 24 hours after murdering her so how would he still have wet blood on his hands. Also, didn't he strangle her, so why would she be bleeding that amount of blood?

His own blood I pressume. He was self harming in the car and perhaps he was carrying the note on him.

Bubbaclaus · 24-05-2018 08:25PM

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Not sure if this is a bit too graphic for this thread so delete it if disrespectful. But how was the note he wrote blood soaked? He wrote the note 24 hours after murdering her so how would he still have wet blood on his hands. Also, didn't he strangle her, so why would she be bleeding that amount of blood?

It was his blood

Ultimate Seduction · 24-05-2018 08:42PM

Didn't realise he was cutting himself.

Kuva · 24-05-2018 08:44PM

Prime time there now

24-05-2018 08:49PM

She's back with her Mam and Dad now according to RTE1

iamwhoiam · 24-05-2018 08:51PM

Oh my good a 12year old boy witnessed Jastine being grabbed and put in the boot. Another victim of this awful horrible man . The poor kid will be traumatised

Strazdas · 24-05-2018 08:58PM

Kuva wrote: »

Prime time there now

Very upsetting listening to this.

The two criminologists / experts reckon it was a completely random attack and that he wouldn't have planned it, the 'red mist' would have descended on him at the last moment.

Poor Jastine was incredibly unlucky to get off the bus at that very moment, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The two guys reckon though the creep would simply have gone after another woman and we'd be discussing some other poor girl being murdered instead. It's terrible for Jastine's family to know just how random and unlucky she was though, if she'd arrived a few minutes later she might still be alive now.

kingofclay · 24-05-2018 09:01PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Very upsetting listening to this.

The two criminologists / experts reckon it was a completely random attack and that he wouldn't have planned it, the 'red mist' would have descended on him at the last moment.

Poor Jastine was incredibly unlucky to get off the bus at that very moment, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The two guys reckon though the creep would simply have gone after another woman and we'd be discussing some other poor girl being murdered instead. It's terrible for Jastine's family to know just how random and unlucky she was though, if she'd arrived a few minutes later she might still be alive now.

That is just a horrible thought. One extra traffic light, one car making a turn and stopping her bus going through momentarily. It's so sad. I wonder what took him out all the way to Enniskerry.

RasTa · 24-05-2018 09:03PM

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Strazdas · 24-05-2018 09:06PM

kingofclay wrote: »

That is just a horrible thought. One extra traffic light, one car making a turn and stopping her bus going through momentarily. It's so sad. I wonder what took him out all the way to Enniskerry.

It's quite heartbreaking really. Jastine arrives there a little earlier or later and she's alive now. The downside is of course he would probably have murdered another girl instead and we'd still be discussing a terrible tragedy.

The two experts said that the various places would have been familiar to him, this was his home turf and local area.

Happy4all · 24-05-2018 09:09PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Is that you Sir Bob?

kingofclay · 24-05-2018 09:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

On a very trivial note, I won’t be able to look at beautiful Enniskerry or Killiney Bay without thinking of that “man”. And many moons ago there was serial attacker in south Dublin who attacked on Killiney beach; it was only when he nearly stabbed a work colleague to death that he was caught. Shanganagh was a haunt of Graham Dwyer, and decades ago was associated with the Green Tureen killer. I always think of these things when I pass these places, and their serene beauty is so incongruous with the evil that has taken place.

Weirdly I live here and don't. I think I know the house he was brought up and was just in the carpark where he sat off to go hunt for his victim. However, walking and looking up at the Leadmines and Puck Castle in the distance is quite haunting.

I do sort of stand and take note when I walk past the place Dwyer and Eileen O'Hara met up on that faithful day.

TomOnBoard · 24-05-2018 09:23PM

Happy4all wrote: »

Is that you Sir Bob?

Yeah! I'm going back on Saturday coz

I don't like Mondays...

24-05-2018 09:24PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

homerjay2005 · 24-05-2018 09:26PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Or
......only in ireland would people get outraged when some1 who has commited a shocking crime is shot by a trained and experienced law enforcer.

McCrack · 24-05-2018 09:28PM

bullvine wrote: »

I do agree with some of what Doltanian has said though, specifically in regard to the shooting of MH. He probably would have gotten out in 15 years for such a horrific crime.

He probably wouldn't

John Shaw is still incarcerated in Arbour Hill since 1976 and his murders are on par with this

He has had many parole board hearings and High Court applications and he is still in prison

hatrickpatrick · 24-05-2018 09:49PM

McCrack wrote: »

He probably wouldn't

John Shaw is still incarcerated in Arbour Hill since 1976 and his murders are on par with this

He has had many parole board hearings and High Court applications and he is still in prison

Trouble is, he obviously got a life sentence if that's the case. Today's judges don't seem to go for that anymore, they suspend half of it and call it justice somehow.

McCrack · 24-05-2018 09:54PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Trouble is, he obviously got a life sentence if that's the case. Today's judges don't seem to go for that anymore, they suspend half of it and call it justice somehow.

But a conviction for murder is a mandatory life sentence. The sentencing Judge does not have any discretion

24-05-2018 09:56PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Ah don't go

TomOnBoard · 24-05-2018 09:57PM

kingofclay wrote: »

I wonder what took him out all the way to Enniskerry.

I think this is a really crucial question. Also who was he talking to on the phone as he was going to his car in the security camera camera footage in the Indo?

weldoninhio · 24-05-2018 10:05PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Oh such a loss for the country.

tayto lover · 24-05-2018 10:09PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

I'd say there's many looking forward to that too.

hatrickpatrick · 24-05-2018 10:10PM

McCrack wrote: »

But a conviction for murder is a mandatory life sentence. The sentencing Judge does not have any discretion

Doesn't the judge have the authority to set how long must be served before parole can be considered, though?

ginandtonicsky · 24-05-2018 10:23PM

Omackeral wrote: »

That's a fair enough stance for you to take personally but they certainly are victims in this whole sordid event too. You'd have to feel horrendous for them.

I can't somehow. I can tell you it's absolutely not their fault and they have a life of suffering and pain ahead of them but I just can't feel sympathy or empathy for them.

ted1 · 24-05-2018 10:38PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On a very trivial note, I won’t be able to look at beautiful Enniskerry or Killiney Bay without thinking of that “man”. And many moons ago there was serial attacker in south Dublin who attacked on Killiney beach; it was only when he nearly stabbed a work colleague to death that he was caught. Shanganagh was a haunt of Graham Dwyer, and decades ago was associated with the Green Tureen killer. I always think of these things when I pass these places, and their serene beauty is so incongruous with the evil that has taken place.

Jeez, I'm glad my memory doesn't work like that! When I go out into nature, I do it often as a way to get away from stuff, and to appreciate it's beauty. As an avid reader of history, I'd go nowhere, given all the crap that ppl have done all over the place for centuries.

Me too, sure I was down on the beach playing with the kids this afternoon.

ted1 · 24-05-2018 10:39PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

I believe it’s illeg to vote if you are not residing in Ireland.

TomOnBoard · 24-05-2018 10:46PM

ted1 wrote: »

I believe it’s illeg to vote if you are not residing in Ireland.

AFAIK Residence is held for 18 months after you leave and you intend to return...I d8nt know how it all get proved though...

KathleenGrant · 24-05-2018 10:48PM

RasTa wrote: »

Only in Ireland would someone by hailed as an hero for ****ing up and accidentally killing someone.

Anyway im back home to vote and looking forward to leaving again on Saturday

Don't think so. The scumbag murderer guy was not sitting in his car with his hands up ready to co-operate. A lot of police forces would have reacted the same way.

Pity you are going home Saturday.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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