Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Shurimgreat · 23-05-2018 08:47AM

sideswipe wrote: »

Time to cancel the daughters Ballet lessons and get her to take up some sort of martial art/self defence.
Knee jerk reaction - maybe
Sensible - definitely

I think I would be the same if I had a daughter. Also some gym work for strength. At least make it difficult for an attacker.

kingofclay · 23-05-2018 08:48AM

nc6000 wrote: »

Why did they wait until daybreak to search the area? If they had received reports of the abduction at around 18.30 - 19.00 and acted on them like they say they did then they would have still had two maybe three hours of daylight.

How quick did the news break? Was the reg and car released within '45 minutes' causing him to panic? It didn't seem that quick from what I remember(It was only 4 days ago) Things got serious when Jastine was reported missing 5 hours later. He wasn't thinking rationally obviously or rationally in the context of an abductor. I know he ultimately murdered Jastine but I think he have panicked/realised that he had an actual person in the car and not just an object as he probably envisioned. You don't really recover from the reputation of being convicted as an abductor of a young women. He felt at this point the only way for him to even attempt to go back to the life he was living before the abduction was to kill Jastine and hope it never came out. He went to the Ramblers and socialised as an alibi. We don't know where he went after and the fact he didn't return home after being out sort of dispenses with my theory but maybe he was hearing the type of car that was spotted and knew he had ****ed up. It just makes no sense doing this in your own borough

Hector Savage · 23-05-2018 09:02AM

2forjoy wrote: »

A lot of new info on the mirror webpage :

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/mark-hennessy-cocaine-alcohol-bender-12580555

jaysus!

what the f*ck goes on in some peoples heads!

Captain Obvious · 23-05-2018 09:09AM

A postmortem on Hennessy
has established a bullet fired by the garda ricocheted off his shoulder and struck his head. He was not
intentionally shot in the head. He was also shot in the chest.

At least that should shut some of the armchair marksmen up. Still no indication of why he did it though.

Grayson · 23-05-2018 09:13AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

At least that should shut some of the armchair marksmen up. Still no indication of why he did it though.

I'm wondering if we will ever know what was going through his head. (And I'm not talking about the marksmanship part of your post)

wakka12 · 23-05-2018 09:17AM

So he tried to break into a house a few weeks ago too. I dont think its any coincidence that the person inside was a teenage girl by herself
Id say shes a bit shaken after she heard what he went on to do

McMurphy · 23-05-2018 09:23AM

2forjoy wrote: »

A lot of new info on the mirror webpage :

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/mark-hennessy-cocaine-alcohol-bender-12580555

They seem to be implying that the video doing the rounds is indeed from Sat night?

Hector Savage · 23-05-2018 09:23AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

At least that should shut some of the armchair marksmen up. Still no indication of why he did it though.

Grayson wrote: »

I'm wondering if we will ever know what was going through his head. (And I'm not talking about the marksmanship part of your post)

wakka12 wrote: »

So he tried to break into a house a few weeks ago too. I dont think its any coincidence that the person inside was a teenage girl by herself
Id say shes a bit shaken after she heard what he went on to do

I think its quite clear.
This was a man that probably harbored fantasies of doing this for years - decades even.

It's frightening, like we all said, scary what goes on in peoples heads.

The drinking and cocaine - a way to psyche himself up to do it - and then to escape it ??

Even he probably felt some sort of pain and remorse for what he did - I'm am not excusing the scumbags actions tho - it's so ****ed up, and the poor girl, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, rotten luck.

RIP.

Captain Obvious · 23-05-2018 09:23AM

wakka12 wrote: »

So he tried to break into a house a few weeks ago too. I dont think its any coincidence that the person inside was a teenage girl by herself
Id say shes a bit shaken after she heard what he went on to do

Yeah it seems he'd been planning to do something like that for a while.

Captain Obvious · 23-05-2018 09:24AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

The drinking and cocaine - a way to psyche himself up to do it - and then to escape it ??

Was the cocaine not after the murder though?

kingofclay · 23-05-2018 09:25AM

Nah the scene in the background doesn't look like the ramblers rest(I've never been in it's quite small on the outside and not set up like that) possible the Martello in Bray?

MaccaTacca · 23-05-2018 09:45AM

Cocaine story is 100% true, have heard from people who were in the pub that he was asking anyone at all if they were selling, even people who clearly wouldn’t be selling drugs. He then returned later asking again.

The video of him in the pub with the girls is the Martello in Bray, and the photo is the ramblers rest.

kingofclay · 23-05-2018 09:52AM

What can be done in future cases? A poster a few pages back mentioned how only 3 cars and a helicopter went in pursuit after the abduction. In the future, perhaps the information about reg's and even make should be kept under wraps and instead have a large scale Garda force go in pursuit. If members of the public are urged not approach and basically just ordered to let the Guarda know, then there is no real point in us knowing in the first few hours. Better just deploy huge numbers from around the area with the information at hand. Then again, you have to protect other people too.

wellwhynot · 23-05-2018 09:52AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

At least that should shut some of the armchair marksmen up. Still no indication of why he did it though.

He was about to slit his own throat. The shot to the shoulder was to stop him.

Tippex · 23-05-2018 09:52AM

kingofclay wrote: »

Nah the scene in the background doesn't look like the ramblers rest(I've never been in it's quite small on the outside and not set up like that) possible the Martello in Bray?

My wife was listening to east coast yesterday and they were sent an anonymous message that the video doing the rounds was in the martello around 2nd/3rd of may.

Captain Obvious · 23-05-2018 09:56AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

He was about to slit his own throat. The shot to the shoulder was to stop him.

I meant why he killed her

kunst nugget · 23-05-2018 10:00AM

kingofclay wrote: »

What can be done in future cases? A poster a few pages back mentioned how only 3 cars and a helicopter went in pursuit after the abduction. In the future, perhaps the information about reg's and even make should be kept under wraps and instead have a large scale Garda force go in pursuit. If members of the public are urged not approach and basically just ordered to let the Guarda know, then there is no real point in us knowing in the first few hours. Better just deploy huge numbers from around the area with the information at hand. Then again, you have to protect other people too.

How many Gardai cars are going to be on hand at a given time - this isn't like a movie where 25 cop cars are going to turn up. They give out the information because of the urgency for finding the car and they need the help of the public in spotting where it might be. It's not an invitation from the Gardai for have a go heroes to try a spot of vigilantism.

The Nal · 23-05-2018 10:04AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I meant why he killed her

Seems he was a on a drink and drugs bender for weeks, issues at home, existing mental issues, he just snapped.

kingofclay · 23-05-2018 10:07AM

kunst nugget wrote: »

How many Gardai cars are going to be on hand at a given time - this isn't like a movie where 25 cop cars are going to turn up. They give out the information because of the urgency for finding the car and they need the help of the public in spotting where it might be. It's not an invitation from the Gardai for have a go heroes to try a spot of vigilantism.

And then the perpetrator panics when he finds out and kills the abductee. I get though that this case is very rare, not often are you going to get instances whereby the car and reg have been spotted.

strandroad · 23-05-2018 10:29AM

The Nal wrote: »

Seems he was a on a drink and drugs bender for weeks, issues at home, existing mental issues, he just snapped.

What existing mental issues?
He may have been a psychopath who didn't like how his life was turning out and felt entitled to a binge, planning to get away with it. That's a personality disorder and not a mental health issue. There is no element of psychosis in what he did that we know of.

TomOnBoard · 23-05-2018 10:43AM

strandroad wrote: »

What existing mental issues?
He may have been a psychopath who didn't like how his life was turning out and felt entitled to a binge, planning to get away with it. That's a personality disorder and not a mental health issue. There is no element of psychosis in what he did that we know of.

Cocaine-induced psychosis is a known risk/side-effect of cocaine usage.

Textronic · 23-05-2018 10:44AM

Do the gardai have enough expertise to deal rapidly with these situations ?

A different situation but I recall a knife attacker was shot dead minutes after appearing on a London bridge.

How was he able to go out socializing that night?

snotboogie · 23-05-2018 10:46AM

strandroad wrote: »

The Nal wrote: »

Seems he was a on a drink and drugs bender for weeks, issues at home, existing mental issues, he just snapped.

What existing mental issues?
He may have been a psychopath who didn't like how his life was turning out and felt entitled to a binge, planning to get away with it. That's a personality disorder and not a mental health issue.

If he planned to get away with it, he didn't do much planning. He abducted a woman in broad daylight, with a vehicle behind him, in his wife's car. He wasn't "spotted" all reports indicate that he did it in full view of a car that had to stop behind him:
"The woman said her friend had been driving along the R760 road, south of Enniskerry, when the car in front “suddenly stopped” and a man “forced a woman who was walking along into his car"
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-think-ive-seen-something-terrible-what-eyewitness-said-after-spotting-suspected-abduction-36928400.html
I imagine that the coke and booze was a last piss up rather than a celebration of getting away with it.

23-05-2018 10:46AM

Textronic wrote: »

Do the gardai have enough expertise to deal rapidly with these situations ?

A different situation but I recall a knife attacker was shot dead minutes after appearing on a London bridge.

How was he able to go out socializing that night?

& you don't see the difference between those two incidents?
Maybe leave the police work to the Gardai.....

strandroad · 23-05-2018 10:48AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Cocaine-induced psychosis is a known risk/side-effect of cocaine usage.

That's definitely a possibility, but no evidence so far.

I wouldn't touch the mental health card until there is clear evidence, out of respect for real mental health issues sufferers.

Textronic · 23-05-2018 10:49AM

bubblypop wrote: »

& you don't see the difference between those two incidents?
Maybe leave the police work to the Gardai.....

Are you happy the gardai did everything they could in this situation?

23-05-2018 10:52AM

Textronic wrote: »

Are you happy the gardai did everything they could in this situation?

Well we don't know the full story of what exactly happened so we?
I would rather wait until an investigation has been completed & all the facts are known.

But then, I wouldn't be an expert like a lot on this thread...............

Suckit · 23-05-2018 10:55AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Was the cocaine not after the murder though?

He may have had some that he had got previously.

MaccaTacca wrote: »

Cocaine story is 100% true, have heard from people who were in the pub that he was asking anyone at all if they were selling, even people who clearly wouldn’t be selling drugs. He then returned later asking again.

The video of him in the pub with the girls is the Martello in Bray, and the photo is the ramblers rest.

I have seen the video, what photo?
Are they both from Saturday night?

The Nal · 23-05-2018 10:55AM

strandroad wrote: »

That's definitely a possibility, but no evidence so far.

I wouldn't touch the mental health card until there is clear evidence, out of respect for real mental health issues sufferers.

He tried to break into some random house a few weeks ago and was chased away.

He abducted and murdered a girl at random in broad daylight.

He was found by the police trying to stab himself to death with a stanley knife in his car in broad daylight.

These aren't the actions of someone with a healthy mindset.

Seems the gardai may not have shot him in the head. They shot him in the shoulder and it hit an artery.

http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-mark-hennessy-4029195-May2018/

Suckit wrote: »

He may have had some that he had got previously.

I have seen the video, what photo?
Are they both from Saturday night?

The video is apparently from a few weeks ago in the Martello in Bray. This photo is apparently from Saturday night in The Ramblers Rest in Ballybrack.

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kunst nugget · 23-05-2018 10:56AM

Textronic wrote: »

Are you happy the gardai did everything they could in this situation?

You were comparing two scenarios that were poles apart. It was an absolutely ridiculous comparison.

Considering we only have mainly speculation and hearsay to go on at the moment, I don't think a judgement call can really be made on the effectiveness of the Garda investigation.

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