Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

Brae100

I'm not sure if this has been posted already, but the initial post mortem has shown cause of death was by strangulation.

TomOnBoard

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

In my experience even the supposed middle class ones in Ireland are supporting someone back home - often multiple families. Not sure what the situation is in this case.

Yeah, I believe that's a cultural thing, whereby ppl who get to live and work in a more well-off country send money back home to help the ones who are there. Family is still very much valued in some communities thankfully!

iamwhoiam

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah, I believe that's a cultural thing, whereby ppl who get to live and work in a more well-off country send money back home to help the ones who are there. Family is still very much valued in some communities thankfully!

I value my family here as does everyone around me .

TomOnBoard

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mark-hennessy-telephoned-wife-after-murdering-jastine-valdez-1.3504646

This headline in the Irish Times is pathetic! It implies that Hennessy phoned his wife after he committed the murder. You have to delve into the text to establish that, it was most likely a day after (based on the information already published) the murder that he rang her and told her that they wouldn't see each other again.

The Irish Times used to be a quality newspaper. Nowadays, not so much!

AmberGold

The way the Irish Times has handled the reporting of what is one of the leading news stories of the year leaves a lot to be desired.

TomOnBoard

AmberGold wrote: »

The way the Irish Times has handled the reporting of what is one of the leading news stories of the year leaves a lot to be desired.

So it would appear..and that begs the question as to how we can be reliably informed while a deeply troubling event is ongoing! If the so-called 'reputable' media uses misleading reporting to inform us, how can we trust anything we read??

MaccaTacca

TomOnBoard wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mark-hennessy-telephoned-wife-after-murdering-jastine-valdez-1.3504646

This headline in the Irish Times is pathetic! It implies that Hennessy phoned his wife after he committed the murder. You have to delve into the text to establish that, it was most likely a day after (based on the information already published) the murder that he rang her and told her that they wouldn't see each other again.

The Irish Times used to be a quality newspaper. Nowadays, not so much!

The Irish Times is a good newspaper, but are nowhere near the standard of even the tabloids when it comes to online reportage.

TomOnBoard

MaccaTacca wrote: »

The Irish Times is a good newspaper, but are nowhere near the standard of even the tabloids when it comes to online reportage.

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

MaccaTacca

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

They haven’t moved forward with the times. The Indo, Mirror and Sun are streets ahead of them in terms of an online presence and I wouldn’t even say that they’re any less reliable than the times when it comes to online stuff.

Pretty sure the rumour that of Jastine being an IT Carlow student originated in the Times, despite the fact that she attended college in Tallaght.

tigger123

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

How is it misleading? He telephoned his wife after he murdered her ... ???

iamwhoiam

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

I didn't find it misleading

The Talking Bread

On a personal level, this really hit me. I'm not cold when it comes to news of and even detailed descriptions of murders, rape, and any other horrific events that are channelled to us through the media, but I don't allow myself to emotionally invest myself too much in them.
But this really really upset and horrified me.
Part of it was because we were following this sequence of events, helplessly, over the few days, with shock, fear, hope, anger and so much detail was being fed to us. I can't remember anything like how this LIVE event took over social media.

There are bodies found etc and details emerge gradually but you don't feel the range of emotions as you do when the case is still occuring, in live motion.



Also, and more importantly, with no shame in generalising I find the Filipino community in Ireland one of the loveliest communities and people to move to Ireland. I went on a few dates with a Filipino girl and still remain in contact with her (I even texted her yesterday assuming she knew of the horrific event and she was only off the plane from a holiday and had to call her father to confirm).

I find the Filipino people I have had interaction with to be so family orientated, full of so much empathy, good natured, cheerful, good listeners, hard working and with an amazing faith in both God and people around them.
I have been in and out of hospital over the years and you can see they love their job, are genuinely invested in helping the patient and not just going through a routine 9-5 like most of us (and indeed a lot of nurses.


That is why I can't imagine but can't help but thinking of the horror these people went through awaiting news, the weight of helplessness, the seeking of help by God, who plays a huge part in their everyday life, and more significantly the despair when hope faded into the horrific reality.

It really struck a cord with me and then my sadness turned to anger with some of the most disgusting and distasteful and disrespectful comments that emerged throughout the day. I can't believe how people can honestly think of posting some of the stuff.
Sick isn't the word.



I really haven't a clue how her family are going to cope with this. She was her parents only treasure, an only child. If she had siblings I feel that would help her parents grieve that tiny bit better but now they have to grow old not being able to abate the pain by projecting that parental support on another child. Christ, it is unimaginable. And living so close to where it all went down.



As I said though, they are a beautiful community (again I hold no shame generalising) so I think they will have so many support from those around them.

I amn't a God man but I hope their faith remains strong.

McMurphy

tigger123 wrote: »

How is it misleading? He telephoned his wife after he murdered her ... ???

The misleading headline initially makes you think it was immediately afterwards I think is the point.

The Talking Bread

tigger123 wrote: »

How is it misleading? He telephoned his wife after he murdered her ... ???

It is pretty clear they are trying to be "smart" with their headline. If you can't see the angle of the headline and their intention to somewhat mislead, you are likely the target market of these articles.

The Talking Bread

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The misleading headline initially makes you think it was immediately afterwards I think is the point.

precisely.

There is a massive difference between calling the wife on Saturday evening when he thought he would get away with it and on Sunday night in this case when he was aware the game was up and he was about to take his life.

tigger123

The Talking Bread wrote: »

It is pretty clear they are trying to be "smart" with their headline. If you can't see the angle of the headline and their intention to somewhat mislead, you are likely the target market of these articles.

A regular, every day Irish Times reader?

iamwhoiam

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The misleading headline initially makes you think it was immediately afterwards I think is the point.

Not to me . I read it as after the event there was no mention of immediately

TomOnBoard

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

The misleading headline initially makes you think it was immediately afterwards I think is the point.

Exactly so! The headline would have been far more accurate, but less sensational, if it said that he called 'before being shot..

VonLuck

The Talking Bread wrote: »

precisely.

There is a massive difference between calling the wife on Saturday evening when he thought he would get away with it and on Sunday night in this case when he was aware the game was up and he was about to take his life.

I don't know how else they would phrase it. "Mark Hennessy telephones wife on Sunday" doesn't really work as a headline.

McMurphy

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Not to me . I read it as after the event there was no mention of immediately

That's fair enough, but I would like to believe that I'm not the only person who seen the headline and immediately presumed that it referred to immediately after he murdered the poor girl, not almost 24hrs later.

However, it's hardly worth arguing over. You read it one way, others read it another way.

Prob best left at that.

oneilla

AmberGold wrote: »

The way the Irish Times has handled the reporting of what is one of the leading news stories of the year leaves a lot to be desired.

I saw a screenshot of an IT article which stated that Jastine was alive when his car was found. Did anyone see this? Afaik it was edited sharpish

BattleCorp

oneilla wrote: »

I saw a screenshot of an IT article which stated that Jastine was alive when his car was found. Did anyone see this? Afaik it was edited sharpish

Even if someone saw this, it wasn't true.

chicorytip

Raging_Ninja wrote:

Threat to life is threat to life, regardless of whether it is one person attacking you or a thousand. If you or the life of another is immediate danger from another person (and being attacked with a knife is immediate danger, believe you me), then you can use lethal force to stop that threat.

I don't believe that claim would be upheld in a court of law in Ireland. Take a hypotethical situation: If I were accosted in a dark alley by a knife wielding drug addict intent on robbing me, removed my legally held revolver from my coat pocket and blew his brains out, what would the likely outcome be for myself? A first degree murder charge, that's what. All police forces should be entitled to use firearms in dangerous situations but, I strongly believe, in a proportionate manner to the level of risk involved.

ted1

oneilla wrote: »

AmberGold wrote: »

The way the Irish Times has handled the reporting of what is one of the leading news stories of the year leaves a lot to be desired.

I saw a screenshot of an IT article which stated that Jastine was alive when his car was found. Did anyone see this? Afaik it was edited sharpish

Yes someone copied and pasted the article hete

TomOnBoard

oneilla wrote: »

I saw a screenshot of an IT article which stated that Jastine was alive when his car was found. Did anyone see this? Afaik it was edited sharpish

Yes, I saw it.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Big Nasty wrote: »

A woman is feared to have been abducted yesterday in broad daylight, just outside Enniskerry, Co. Wicklow. The same village where Annie McCarrick was last spotted. Frightening.

Gardai are appealing for information.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/missing-woman-24-feared-to-have-been-abducted-in-co-wicklow-1.3501945



Mod warning

This is a final warning.

Speculation of any kind is not allowed here. You can discuss articles, news reports or any factual aspect of the case. You can sympathise, you can ask why. Making up what ifs is not allowed

I did not think I would ever have to say this but ANYONE who disrespects Jastine Valdez in this thread is getting an immediate ban from this forum. Some of the crap I have had to read this morning has angered me more than anything I have read on this site before.

This poor girl has a family and friends. She was 24 years old and is being mourned. If people do not have respect then they are not welcome here.

For the majority who have posted in a respectful manner we thank you. Please report any posts that require moderator attention.

Mod note: Just reminding folk of the guidance in the OP.


'Seems' simply doesn't quality as a source. Cut out the speculation, there is enough to discuss with what is already known.


Posts with 'seems' all deleted now, next time will result in bans, is this clear?


Buford T. Justice

The Talking Bread

BattleCorp wrote: »

Even if someone saw this, it wasn't true.

The IT initial report on Sunday night after the shooting (and it remained unedited for almost an hour) was that she was found in the car and was in "critical condition"
That is grossly wrong journalism. Especially when someone's family and close ones are hooked to any news filtering through and every second breeds a thousand thoughts. A life was on the line here. It was like some young lad with a football gawking over the fence at the crime scene told the journalist that he saw her body and they went with it.

The IT are reknowned to be obsessed at going gung ho into "breaking stories" and clearly took a lot of gambles with wrong information for the sake of being the first to break the news.

People gave out about RTE not giving minute by minute updates but RTE took the correct and responsible approach of waiting until confirmation of facts before releasing them.

DwightSchrute1

chicorytip wrote: »

I don't believe that claim would be upheld in a court of law in Ireland. Take a hypotethical situation: If I were accosted in a dark alley by a knife wielding drug addict intent on robbing me, removed my legally held revolver from my coat pocket and blew his brains out, what would the likely outcome be for myself? A first degree murder charge, that's what. All police forces should be entitled to use firearms in dangerous situations but, I strongly believe, in a proportionate manner to the level of risk involved.

It’s very simple, there was a risk to the life of the unarmed Garda and that’s why the detective took the action that he did. Just because Mark Hennessy did not have a firearm does not mean the detective was in the wrong.

TomOnBoard

BattleCorp wrote: »

Even if someone saw this, it wasn't true.

Exactly! It wasn't true. And that's the point! It serves an another example of the IT failing to report the facts correctly..

Suckit

FWIW the IT were not the only ones reporting that. I think most sources had said the same. The journalists were all probably shouting at the Gardai at the same time and misheard that Mark Hennessy was critical.
Also, wasn't another version of the Detective shooting, that he thought she was in the car and that he was going to harm her?