Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

M_Bear · 22-05-2018 06:06PM

I haven’t read every single page in here but has it been mentioned on here about him having a secret phone (used it to call his wife to confess just before he was killed)? It signals a possible secret life or the intention of having a secret life. This is in no way linking him with Jastine but rather having a side his family doesn’t know about (aside from the obvious)!

nacho libre · 22-05-2018 06:08PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I've Irish and English relations living in the Philippines and they love it there. Granted some places are safer than others, but sure look at Ireland this week.

http://www.expatexchange.com/ctryguide/4973/90/Philippines/Expat-Philippines-8-Safest-Places-to-Live-in-the-Philippines

Yes, if you are a foreigner with money it's not a bad place to live, but for the people there, especially away from the tourist hotspots, life is very hard. I know we have our problems here, but i copped on how good we have it here overall, when i visited the Philippines.

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 06:09PM

M_Bear wrote: »

I’ve read that it was after the abduction before 7pm - they suspect he was panicking as she was banging on the windows trying to escape. Horrific.

From what I understood, the guards analysed the GPS from the car which indicated he had been driving aroun the D18 area in the time before he took Jastine and are now asking for petrol stations, shops, cars with dashcams etc to check if they have footage of him in the time leading up to the attack.

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 06:10PM

M_Bear wrote: »

I haven’t read every single page in here but has it been mentioned on here about him having a secret phone (used it to call his wife to confess just before he was killed)? It signals a possible secret life or the intention of having a secret life. This is in no way linking him with Jastine but rather having a side his family doesn’t know about (aside from the obvious)!

I've only read about the "secret" phone in dodgy tabloids so far so not sure if thats really something to go on at this point.

Suckit · 22-05-2018 06:11PM

novemberbravo wrote: »

From what I understood, the guards analysed the GPS from the car which indicated he had been driving aroun the D18 area in the time before he took Jastine and are now asking for petrol stations, shops, cars with dashcams etc to check if they have footage of him in the time leading up to the attack.

I wonder how far back they can track and on the days he had the car. Although his wife didn't own it that long, roughly a year?

TomOnBoard · 22-05-2018 06:15PM

Suckit wrote: »

I wonder how far back they can track and on the days he had the car. Although his wife didn't own it that long, roughly a year?

24 hours according to an 'expert' on the IT..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/satnav-data-enabled-gardaí-to-track-movements-of-suspect-s-vehicle-1.3503442?mode=amp

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 06:16PM

Suckit wrote: »

I wonder how far back they can track and on the days he had the car. Although his wife didn't own it that long, roughly a year?

Seems it was bought around last September.

Subtle · 22-05-2018 06:21PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

€60k in the gofund me now . It won't bring Justine back or compensate in any way but hopefully it will make choices easier for her family

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 06:23PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but...

I'm not being racist but... :rolleyes:

snotboogie · 22-05-2018 06:24PM

nacho libre wrote: »

Yes, if you are a foreigner with money it's not a bad place to live, but for the people there, especially away from the tourist hotspots, life is very hard. I know we have our problems here, but i copped on how good we have it here overall, when i visited the Philippines.

It's not just foreigners who have money in the Philippines, there is a substantial middle class there. Most Filipinos in Ireland were middle class and university educated back home and came here because there are better wages, particularly in the healthcare industry, that doesn't mean that they were wallowing in poverty back home.

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 06:27PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

Well i think the family could be asked and it made clear they could donate or use money in something in Jastines name . Maybe a fund for something she would love to be involved in for example
I must say I never donate usually but just wanted to reach out to these parents and let them make decisions and be able to do that

Subtle · 22-05-2018 06:33PM

novemberbravo wrote: »

I'm not being racist but... :rolleyes:

??? It's a figure of speech (same as this)...

AVFC.Stephen · 22-05-2018 06:35PM

I guess ppl are gonna read this what way they like, but having met the lad a number of years ago and never feeling or seeing someone threatened in his presence. I can't believe it has turned out how it is. Without taking anything away from the families that are Severely hurt, how can someone so troubled go unnoticed. Surely this ain't a spur of the moment thing. While some professionals may say how he went about it was very amateur compare to other things they have witnessed... He must of had some serious demons if what the papers tell is true

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 06:35PM

Subtle wrote: »

??? It's a figure of speech (same as this)...

Yes, it's an oxymoron.

strandroad · 22-05-2018 06:40PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

There was a target of 10k, as it was considered to be a typical cost of funeral including repatriation. It's just that it was surpassed as people keep donating.

I see no problem with donation initiatives such as this one. The family can always choose to see it as a gauge of support from the community, and donate the excess to set up an education fund for a young person in the Philippines in their daughter's memory. If they so wish, it's theirs.

wakka12 · 22-05-2018 06:46PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

I dunno. If they work I doubt theyll be able to hold down many work days for a good long time with this grief. Maybe the routine of work would help take your mind off though at the same time but anyway, its not meant to bring happiness everyone knows money will not help in that regard whatsoever, its just so they dont have any money worries while grieving

Ruby31 · 22-05-2018 06:47PM

bullvine wrote: »

Whatever.

I am sure theres other users on here that knew him, if they were early 40s from the area. I am pretty sure he went Cabinteely Community School.

My friend went to Newpark with him.

Pawwed Rig · 22-05-2018 06:49PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Most Filipinos in Ireland were middle class and university educated back home and came here because there are better wages, particularly in the healthcare industry, that doesn't mean that they were wallowing in poverty back home.

In my experience even the supposed middle class ones in Ireland are supporting someone back home - often multiple families. Not sure what the situation is in this case.

sillysocks · 22-05-2018 06:51PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I dunno. If they work I doubt theyll be able to hold down many work days for a good long time with this grief. Maybe the routine of work would help take your mind off though at the same time but anyway, its not meant to bring happiness, its just so they dont have any money worries while grieving

I agree.... imagine having to worry about work and paying bills etc at a time like this. Must be just horrendous. And without knowing whether they have family here I’d imagine the pull to go home to family and friends after something like this would be huge. The money will probably buy them a lot of time to grieve in Phillipines (where it will go further) and try to come to terms with such an awful tragedy.

I do agree in some circumstances these GoFundMe pages seem unnecessary but don’t think so in this case.

Brae100 · 22-05-2018 06:57PM

I'm not sure if this has been posted already, but the initial post mortem has shown cause of death was by strangulation.

TomOnBoard · 22-05-2018 07:02PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

In my experience even the supposed middle class ones in Ireland are supporting someone back home - often multiple families. Not sure what the situation is in this case.

Yeah, I believe that's a cultural thing, whereby ppl who get to live and work in a more well-off country send money back home to help the ones who are there. Family is still very much valued in some communities thankfully!

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 07:05PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yeah, I believe that's a cultural thing, whereby ppl who get to live and work in a more well-off country send money back home to help the ones who are there. Family is still very much valued in some communities thankfully!

I value my family here as does everyone around me .

TomOnBoard · 22-05-2018 07:52PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mark-hennessy-telephoned-wife-after-murdering-jastine-valdez-1.3504646

This headline in the Irish Times is pathetic! It implies that Hennessy phoned his wife after he committed the murder. You have to delve into the text to establish that, it was most likely a day after (based on the information already published) the murder that he rang her and told her that they wouldn't see each other again.

The Irish Times used to be a quality newspaper. Nowadays, not so much!

AmberGold · 22-05-2018 08:14PM

The way the Irish Times has handled the reporting of what is one of the leading news stories of the year leaves a lot to be desired.

TomOnBoard · 22-05-2018 08:21PM

AmberGold wrote: »

The way the Irish Times has handled the reporting of what is one of the leading news stories of the year leaves a lot to be desired.

So it would appear..and that begs the question as to how we can be reliably informed while a deeply troubling event is ongoing! If the so-called 'reputable' media uses misleading reporting to inform us, how can we trust anything we read??

MaccaTacca · 22-05-2018 08:26PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mark-hennessy-telephoned-wife-after-murdering-jastine-valdez-1.3504646

This headline in the Irish Times is pathetic! It implies that Hennessy phoned his wife after he committed the murder. You have to delve into the text to establish that, it was most likely a day after (based on the information already published) the murder that he rang her and told her that they wouldn't see each other again.

The Irish Times used to be a quality newspaper. Nowadays, not so much!

The Irish Times is a good newspaper, but are nowhere near the standard of even the tabloids when it comes to online reportage.

TomOnBoard · 22-05-2018 08:31PM

MaccaTacca wrote: »

The Irish Times is a good newspaper, but are nowhere near the standard of even the tabloids when it comes to online reportage.

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

MaccaTacca · 22-05-2018 08:34PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

They haven’t moved forward with the times. The Indo, Mirror and Sun are streets ahead of them in terms of an online presence and I wouldn’t even say that they’re any less reliable than the times when it comes to online stuff.

Pretty sure the rumour that of Jastine being an IT Carlow student originated in the Times, despite the fact that she attended college in Tallaght.

tigger123 · 22-05-2018 08:45PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

How is it misleading? He telephoned his wife after he murdered her ... ???

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 08:46PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Resting on its laurels at best... Using deeply misleading headlines during a deadly tragedy as click -bait!!

I didn't find it misleading

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