Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

pjohnson · 22-05-2018 06:23PM

Basically every "expert" and "friend of a garda" was completely wrong on every count.

22-05-2018 06:36PM

Poor girl and the families that are dealing with it all

May she rest in peace.

Pawwed Rig · 22-05-2018 06:39PM

mod note - enough with the porn crap. We already had a moron try and lever the abortion referendum into this thread. Keep your little agendas out. noone wants to hear them

brendanwalsh · 22-05-2018 06:47PM

Glad the **** suffered a swift end. What an absolute moron. Fair play to the guard who blew his head off, justice is a dish best served in lead.

Rip to the poor girl and thoughts with the the families of both of them who have had their lives destroyed.

lawred2 · 22-05-2018 06:49PM

novemberbravo wrote: »

RTE 6pm news now reporting Mark Hennessy was driving all around south Co. Dublin around Killiney and the Ballybrack area in the time before the abduction. Was he just looking for a random victim?

That's grim

nacho libre · 22-05-2018 06:50PM

It's just harrowing to consider that if she did not seek a better life abroad she might still be alive. The Phillipines is a terrible place to live .

I suppose you can't live your life thinking that way, because these things thankfully are such a rare occurrence. I wished this guy had lived to pay for what he did, but as someone said for the sake of his children it might be better he did not.

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 06:56PM

€60k in the gofund me now . It won't bring Justine back or compensate in any way but hopefully it will make choices easier for her family

BattleCorp · 22-05-2018 06:59PM

nacho libre wrote: »

It's just harrowing to consider that if she did not seek a better life abroad she might still be alive. The Phillipines is a terrible place to live .

I've Irish and English relations living in the Philippines and they love it there. Granted some places are safer than others, but sure look at Ireland this week.

http://www.expatexchange.com/ctryguide/4973/90/Philippines/Expat-Philippines-8-Safest-Places-to-Live-in-the-Philippines

M_Bear · 22-05-2018 07:01PM

novemberbravo wrote: »

Was on RTE 6pm news that he was driving aroudn the Killiney and Dalkey areas seemingly at random in the time leading up to the abduction which adds to that theory.

I’ve read that it was after the abduction before 7pm - they suspect he was panicking as she was banging on the windows trying to escape. Horrific.

weiland79 · 22-05-2018 07:02PM

Beggers belief, people attacking the guards over this. How many of the people mouthing off have ever truely been in a life and death situation, the pressure must be so intense, and if course when firearms are involved there is always the possibility for things to not go to plan.

Not fair to blame the Gardai for that, it was the man that put himself in that situation, a situation that had the possibility of him dying.
Im sure the guard involved is horrified at what came to pass.

Its not often that im shocked at what goes on in the world, but this has struck a chord. That poor innocent girl and her devastated family. Living and studying Ireland to better her life, truely horrendous.

I cant help thinking about the mans wife and children. I can only imagine what is going through her mind. Revulsion, anger, panic.

So sad.

Rip Jastine

wakka12 · 22-05-2018 07:04PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

€60k in the gofund me now . It won't bring Justine back or compensate in any way but hopefully it will make choices easier for her family

Yes they can plan a beautiful funeral she deserves with the extra money at least. I wish we could offer more than money but nothing will bring her back.

M_Bear · 22-05-2018 07:06PM

I haven’t read every single page in here but has it been mentioned on here about him having a secret phone (used it to call his wife to confess just before he was killed)? It signals a possible secret life or the intention of having a secret life. This is in no way linking him with Jastine but rather having a side his family doesn’t know about (aside from the obvious)!

nacho libre · 22-05-2018 07:08PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I've Irish and English relations living in the Philippines and they love it there. Granted some places are safer than others, but sure look at Ireland this week.

http://www.expatexchange.com/ctryguide/4973/90/Philippines/Expat-Philippines-8-Safest-Places-to-Live-in-the-Philippines

Yes, if you are a foreigner with money it's not a bad place to live, but for the people there, especially away from the tourist hotspots, life is very hard. I know we have our problems here, but i copped on how good we have it here overall, when i visited the Philippines.

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 07:09PM

M_Bear wrote: »

I’ve read that it was after the abduction before 7pm - they suspect he was panicking as she was banging on the windows trying to escape. Horrific.

From what I understood, the guards analysed the GPS from the car which indicated he had been driving aroun the D18 area in the time before he took Jastine and are now asking for petrol stations, shops, cars with dashcams etc to check if they have footage of him in the time leading up to the attack.

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 07:10PM

M_Bear wrote: »

I haven’t read every single page in here but has it been mentioned on here about him having a secret phone (used it to call his wife to confess just before he was killed)? It signals a possible secret life or the intention of having a secret life. This is in no way linking him with Jastine but rather having a side his family doesn’t know about (aside from the obvious)!

I've only read about the "secret" phone in dodgy tabloids so far so not sure if thats really something to go on at this point.

Suckit · 22-05-2018 07:11PM

novemberbravo wrote: »

From what I understood, the guards analysed the GPS from the car which indicated he had been driving aroun the D18 area in the time before he took Jastine and are now asking for petrol stations, shops, cars with dashcams etc to check if they have footage of him in the time leading up to the attack.

I wonder how far back they can track and on the days he had the car. Although his wife didn't own it that long, roughly a year?

TomOnBoard · 22-05-2018 07:15PM

Suckit wrote: »

I wonder how far back they can track and on the days he had the car. Although his wife didn't own it that long, roughly a year?

24 hours according to an 'expert' on the IT..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/satnav-data-enabled-gardaí-to-track-movements-of-suspect-s-vehicle-1.3503442?mode=amp

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 07:16PM

Suckit wrote: »

I wonder how far back they can track and on the days he had the car. Although his wife didn't own it that long, roughly a year?

Seems it was bought around last September.

Subtle · 22-05-2018 07:21PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

€60k in the gofund me now . It won't bring Justine back or compensate in any way but hopefully it will make choices easier for her family

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 07:23PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but...

I'm not being racist but... :rolleyes:

snotboogie · 22-05-2018 07:24PM

nacho libre wrote: »

Yes, if you are a foreigner with money it's not a bad place to live, but for the people there, especially away from the tourist hotspots, life is very hard. I know we have our problems here, but i copped on how good we have it here overall, when i visited the Philippines.

It's not just foreigners who have money in the Philippines, there is a substantial middle class there. Most Filipinos in Ireland were middle class and university educated back home and came here because there are better wages, particularly in the healthcare industry, that doesn't mean that they were wallowing in poverty back home.

iamwhoiam · 22-05-2018 07:27PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

Well i think the family could be asked and it made clear they could donate or use money in something in Jastines name . Maybe a fund for something she would love to be involved in for example
I must say I never donate usually but just wanted to reach out to these parents and let them make decisions and be able to do that

Subtle · 22-05-2018 07:33PM

novemberbravo wrote: »

I'm not being racist but... :rolleyes:

??? It's a figure of speech (same as this)...

AVFC.Stephen · 22-05-2018 07:35PM

I guess ppl are gonna read this what way they like, but having met the lad a number of years ago and never feeling or seeing someone threatened in his presence. I can't believe it has turned out how it is. Without taking anything away from the families that are Severely hurt, how can someone so troubled go unnoticed. Surely this ain't a spur of the moment thing. While some professionals may say how he went about it was very amateur compare to other things they have witnessed... He must of had some serious demons if what the papers tell is true

novemberbravo · 22-05-2018 07:35PM

Subtle wrote: »

??? It's a figure of speech (same as this)...

Yes, it's an oxymoron.

strandroad · 22-05-2018 07:40PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

There was a target of 10k, as it was considered to be a typical cost of funeral including repatriation. It's just that it was surpassed as people keep donating.

I see no problem with donation initiatives such as this one. The family can always choose to see it as a gauge of support from the community, and donate the excess to set up an education fund for a young person in the Philippines in their daughter's memory. If they so wish, it's theirs.

wakka12 · 22-05-2018 07:46PM

Subtle wrote: »

Please note that the following comments are not intended to start a war but... am I the only one uncomfortable with this new fund-raising trend in these situations? I would be ok with it if there was a target set on day 1 of what was needed to help the family wrt funeral costs and so on, but it seems to be turning into a guilt money thing (as if to literally 'pay our respects').

Money will ultimately not bring any happiness to her family. Granted it will help in terms of funeral costs and getting relatives over here etc. but beyond that I'm not even sure how comfortable a family would be to accept or use the excess.

I dunno. If they work I doubt theyll be able to hold down many work days for a good long time with this grief. Maybe the routine of work would help take your mind off though at the same time but anyway, its not meant to bring happiness everyone knows money will not help in that regard whatsoever, its just so they dont have any money worries while grieving

Ruby31 · 22-05-2018 07:47PM

bullvine wrote: »

Whatever.

I am sure theres other users on here that knew him, if they were early 40s from the area. I am pretty sure he went Cabinteely Community School.

My friend went to Newpark with him.

Pawwed Rig · 22-05-2018 07:49PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Most Filipinos in Ireland were middle class and university educated back home and came here because there are better wages, particularly in the healthcare industry, that doesn't mean that they were wallowing in poverty back home.

In my experience even the supposed middle class ones in Ireland are supporting someone back home - often multiple families. Not sure what the situation is in this case.

sillysocks · 22-05-2018 07:51PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I dunno. If they work I doubt theyll be able to hold down many work days for a good long time with this grief. Maybe the routine of work would help take your mind off though at the same time but anyway, its not meant to bring happiness, its just so they dont have any money worries while grieving

I agree.... imagine having to worry about work and paying bills etc at a time like this. Must be just horrendous. And without knowing whether they have family here I’d imagine the pull to go home to family and friends after something like this would be huge. The money will probably buy them a lot of time to grieve in Phillipines (where it will go further) and try to come to terms with such an awful tragedy.

I do agree in some circumstances these GoFundMe pages seem unnecessary but don’t think so in this case.

Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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