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Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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  • #572
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Shooting dead the only person who knows where she is.. FFS


  • #573
    Sunflower 27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Sunflower 27


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Shooting dead the only person who knows where she is.. FFS

    He may have been armed himself.


  • #574
    Needs Must
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,434 ✭✭✭Needs Must


    ebbsy wrote:
    Shooting dead the only person who knows where she is.. FFS

    A well informed comment by an expert who would have handled it better.


  • #575
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    What did the Gardai do when the member of the public reported the abduction.
    Did they go to where the woman was last seen immediately.
    I notice they found her phone at daybreak but this was after her parents reported her missing, was she gone for twelve hours by the time the phone was found.


  • #576
    Mrcaramelchoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    Needs Must wrote: »
    A well informed comment by an expert who would have handled it better.

    He had a knife by all accounts.surely the guy who shot him was well trained with fire arms.if they knew it was him and hes armed don't ask questions just shoot him in the legs and keep him alive to get information.
    Surely something like that could have been done.


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  • #577
    Cunning Stunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    I was wondering that too - Irish times said they went to abduction site at first light, so why didnt they go as soon as it was reported?


  • #578
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Cunning Stunt wrote: »
    I was wondering that too - Irish times said they went to abduction site at first light, so why didnt they go as soon as it was reported?

    No urgency I would say. Wasn't someone whose car tax was out so not a priority.


  • #579
    wellwhynot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    Cunning Stunt wrote: »
    I was wondering that too - Irish times said they went to abduction site at first light, so why didnt they go as soon as it was reported?

    I agree they lost valuable time. The second report of a woman seen in distress on the n11 was reported shortly after. Earlier on Saturday he was approached by members of the public at Killiney Dart Station. He appeared alone then.


  • #580
    NickD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭NickD


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Shooting dead the only person who knows where she is.. FFS

    According to reports he was shot in the arm and head. I don't really see what choice the guards had if he was armed.


  • #581
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,208 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Needs Must wrote: »
    A well informed comment by an expert who would have handled it better.

    Well I wouldn't have killed him. Cos that would have been stupid.


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  • #582
    sightband
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    just seems strange in a case of a missing person and the one person that can assist him with that they’d shoot him especially if he was armed with a knife and heavily outnumbered.


  • #583
    lee_baby_simms
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    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    He had a knife by all accounts.surely the guy who shot him was well trained with fire arms.if they knew it was him and hes armed don't ask questions just shoot him in the legs and keep him alive to get information.
    Surely something like that could have been done.

    You may be right but there'll be plenty of time to criticise the Gardai when more details emerge.

    Right now people are just filling in the blanks to fit their own preconceived narrative, that the gardai are inept and incompetent etc.

    Also its not always a simple zero sum, paper rock scissors situation - gardai had gun and he had a knife so gardai win.

    He could have held a knife to someone's neck or a struggle ensued. Who knows.


  • #584
    [Deleted User]
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    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    He had a knife by all accounts.surely the guy who shot him was well trained with fire arms.if they knew it was him and hes armed don't ask questions just shoot him in the legs and keep him alive to get information.
    Surely something like that could have been done.

    Yes, surely. I mean obviously. Everyone knows that. Especially us untrained civilians here on the internet.

    F*ck sake. It’s not Call Of Duty. Literally dozens of possibilities as to how it went down as if did. They possibly did shoot him in the legs and ruptured a major artery. Could have aimed at a torso and he moved at the same time and took it in the neck. Could’ve brandished any sort of weapon, or what police thought to be a weapon, and left them little choice but to react.


  • #585
    [Deleted User]
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    ebbsy wrote: »
    No urgency I would say. Wasn't someone whose car tax was out so not a priority.

    Pathetic.


  • #586
    Panjandrums
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  • #587
    [Deleted User]
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    sightband wrote: »
    just seems strange in a case of a missing person and the one person that can assist him with that they’d shoot him especially if he was armed with a knife and heavily outnumbered.

    What’s strange is the fact all these apparent rogue Rambos on boards.ie probably commuting to an office somewhere in the IFSC seem to know exactly how they would’ve handled this situation and presumably many more. Lads, go in and tell your boss you resign and go do an aptitude test for the Gardai ASAP, they’re clearly missing you.


  • #588
    January
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    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    He had a knife by all accounts.surely the guy who shot him was well trained with fire arms.if they knew it was him and hes armed don't ask questions just shoot him in the legs and keep him alive to get information.
    Surely something like that could have been done.

    My next door neighbour when I was young shot someone in the leg 'as a warning' and he hit an artery and he bled out within minutes.


  • #589
    Wombatman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭Wombatman


    Has it been confirmed that the dead guy driving the Nissan Qashqai?


  • #590
    frankythefish
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    Ebbsy don t be a gob****e you don t know how it went down. But you don t need to know do you. Because you are happy to fill all the gaps yourself as you please. Jackass


  • #591
    sightband
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    Omackeral wrote: »
    What’s strange is the fact all these apparent rogue Rambos on boards.ie probably commuting to an office somewhere in the IFSC seem to know exactly how they would’ve handled this situation and presumably many more. Lads, go in and tell your boss you resign and go do an aptitude test for the Gardai ASAP, they’re clearly missing you.

    have you had some very strong coffee this morning? this is a discussion board where people discuss and speculate all sorts, it’s not a f*cking tribunal of inquiry, if you are that wound up over speculation maybe take some time out and if there’s a sedative nearby, take 3. get over yourself.


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  • #592
    ixus
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    The AGS tracked him when he turned phone on.

    It's fair to assume they tried to communicate with him via phone once surrounded.

    "Word" is they thought he had a gun and she was possibly inside car, dead or alive. Maybe he communicated to this effect. He made some kind of move leaving AGS no option but to act. Maybe it was his chosen way out.

    If he was shot inside car, head and arms are most likely targets given protection of the door.


  • #593
    AmberGold
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    The case is reported to Garda re the abduction, its entered in the station notebook / ledger, then the sighting by the motorist is reported, again its entered in the station notebook.

    If this wasn’t such high profile they might never make the connection.

    If the motorist took a photo / video and wanted to email it to Gardai he cant. The Gardai can’t accept email. Individual Gardai do not have email.

    The Gardai are back in the dark ages from a tech perspective. Were the Gardai that encountered the suspect armed with Tazers? If not why not?

    Gardai don’t have email, mobile phones or PDA’s, going around in clapped out cars, they are 15 years behind the tech curve being used in other countries.


  • #594
    tretorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭tretorn


    But your next door neighbour wasnt a highly trained armed Garda.
    I would like to know what happened when two members of the public made separate reports about this incident.
    It reads to me like not much happened until the woman was reported missing.
    If the phone had been found at the time of the abduction the car could have been tracked and found sooner.
    Teally really hoping she is found alive, she is tiny, 5 ft, I am glad he is dead though but would like her to have been found first.


  • #595
    [Deleted User]
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    sightband wrote: »
    have you had some very strong coffee this morning? this is a discussion board where people discuss and speculate all sorts, it’s not a f*cking tribunal of inquiry, if you are that wound up over speculation maybe take some time out and if there’s a sedative nearby, take 3. get over yourself.

    Ha ok you’re the one who sounds wound up telling posters to take multiple sedatives and get over themselves. Some people here are literally saying how the Gardai should have handled things despite a)not being there b) not being privy to what happened whatsoever as it hasn’t been released and c) presumably not trained in the slightest.


  • #596
    Cunning Stunt
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    Irish Times stating that he 'was a sex offender' in their headline now, but no more info in article. Think theyre just throwing anything they hear up !


  • #597
    Barry Badrinath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    Omackeral wrote: »
    What’s strange is the fact all these apparent rogue Rambos on boards.ie probably commuting to an office somewhere in the IFSC seem to know exactly how they would’ve handled this situation and presumably many more. Lads, go in and tell your boss you resign and go do an aptitude test for the Gardai ASAP, they’re clearly missing you.

    The only defence to a headshot is if the kidnapper had the knife close to a member of AGS or a civilian with the certainty of imminent death to the AGS member or the civilian.

    The AGS member may be well trained but may not be well "reacted".

    Two or more shots at a stand off position while your aggressor is armed with a knife...immediately indicates a panic reaction.


  • #598
    Cunning Stunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    He had a knife by all accounts.surely the guy who shot him was well trained with fire arms.if they knew it was him and hes armed don't ask questions just shoot him in the legs and keep him alive to get information.
    Surely something like that could have been done.

    Yes, surely. I mean obviously. Everyone knows that. Especially us untrained civilians here on the internet.

    They possibly did shoot him in the legs and ruptured a major artery. Could have aimed at a torso and he moved at the same time and took it in the neck.

    multiple news sources saying he was hit in arm and head.


  • #599
    Cunning Stunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »
    He had a knife by all accounts.surely the guy who shot him was well trained with fire arms.if they knew it was him and hes armed don't ask questions just shoot him in the legs and keep him alive to get information.
    Surely something like that could have been done.

    Yes, surely. I mean obviously. Everyone knows that. Especially us untrained civilians here on the internet.

    They possibly did shoot him in the legs and ruptured a major artery. Could have aimed at a torso and he moved at the same time and took it in the neck.

    multiple news sources saying he was hit in arm and head.


  • #600
    Flippyfloppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,749 ✭✭✭Flippyfloppy


    Cunning Stunt wrote: »
    Irish Times stating that he 'was a sex offender' in their headline now, but no more info in article. Think theyre just throwing anything they hear up !

    Glad I don't have a subscription with them. They seem to churn out articles with clickbait titles every five minutes in regard to these sad cases over the past few days


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  • #601
    [Deleted User]
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    Barry Badrinath wrote: »
    The only defence to a headshot is if the kidnapper had the knife close to a member of AGS or a civilian with the certainty of imminent death to the AGS member or the civilian.

    The AGS member may be well trained but may not be well "reacted".

    Two or more shots at a stand off position while your aggressor is armed with a knife...immediately indicates a panic reaction.

    Look, it’s all could’ves and should’ves until we know more. It’s possible that he alluded to a hostage, it’s possible he charged at Gardai armed, it’s possible he moved at an unopportune time, it’s possible that the marksman panicked. There’s a multitude of possibilities. The people saying “well I would’ve done it this way” are the ones I’ve a problem with. If they’re so good, sign them up.


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