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Jastine Valdez found dead. No Ana discussion please. Mod warning post 1

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  • #452
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Raging_Ninja wrote: »
    if the phone is unlocked...

    True, I actually forgot about that!


  • #453
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    ED E wrote: »
    If the court will issue the order you're talking an hour or two.
    Your kidding right?
    Surely a judge would sign that 'off' in seconds...

    An hour or two to pull the data from cell masts. Google timeline doesn't seem to upload activity on my phone for a few hours.


  • #454
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    pah wrote: »
    My op was "how often is someone shot by gardai"

    Abbeylara was 18 years ago

    You said it was the last resort. From memory abbeylara was anything but a last resort band resulted in a commission of inquiry which went against AGS


  • #455
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Raging_Ninja wrote: »
    if the phone is unlocked...


    The state might be able to unlock a passcode. Might.

    Read up on the unreal Garda work in the Elaine O'Hara case. Really fantastic police work. The technological side of things was really impressive.


  • #456
    at9qu5vp0wcix7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 738 ✭✭✭at9qu5vp0wcix7


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Think my question was missed by the poster here who also has a 171 quashqai.

    Does the gps within the car log data for a few days?

    https://www.driving.co.uk/news/how-your-cars-gadgets-can-be-used-to-track-your-movements/


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  • #457
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    G_R wrote: »
    Potentially a couple of seconds. If location services are on on his phone, they just need yo open Google maps and go to the timeline and it'll all be there.

    Is this reliable? My location is turned on most of the time and ive checked back the last few weeks and im getting "no visited places"


  • #458
    kirving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,294 ✭✭✭kirving


    thebull85 wrote: »
    If it turns out this woman is dead, then the gardai done us all a massive behaviour by sending that scumbag to the morgue.

    You might be right, but since none of us know what happened, I'll propose another scenario.

    ***The below is totally made up by me***

    Accidentally knocks the girl down in the car on the road and injures her. Panics and tries to bring her to hospital, she resists and wants an ambulance, but he puts her in the car anyway.

    On the way to hospital she dies. He panics and thinks he go to prison for it. Becomes totally irrational and wants to kill himself rather than face up to it. Garda find him, he gets hysterical and they shoot him.

    ****

    See, we can all speculate and come to our own conclusions.


  • #459
    Mam of 4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,928 ✭✭✭✭Mam of 4


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I think we can all agree they are asking WHY WHY WHY did they kill him, he knows where she is.
    There would be something seriously wrong if they were not questioning why the needed to kill him.

    Maybe he was going to or in the process of cutting his own throat or wrists or something , who knows ?

    All I can think is that the decision to shoot him is definitely not one that would have been the first option to take tbh , it would have been a last resort imo.


  • #460
    Qrt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭Qrt


    Damien360 wrote: »
    An hour or two to pull the data from cell masts. Google timeline doesn't seem to upload activity on my phone for a few hours.

    Google timeline can be turned off AFAIK.


  • #461
    JaMarcus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭JaMarcus


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    See, we can all speculate and come to our own conclusions.

    I don't think anyone is speculating as specifically as you did just there though!


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  • #462
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-BorneTobyWilde do not post in this thread again. reason- trolling


  • #463
    Amalgam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    RTE stated they traced him through phone/mast activity. Hopefully that will help in the search for the unfortunate victim.

    The amount of anti AGS curmudgeons is just.. I knew someone who was all about the AGS minding their own business, until he himself was burgled. He couldn't get to the phone quick enough..


  • #464
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Omackeral wrote: »
    The state might be able to unlock a passcode. Might.

    Read up on the unreal Garda work in the Elaine O'Hara case. Really fantastic police work. The technological side of things was really impressive.

    Wasn't there a case in the US where the FBI had to get apples help to unlock a phone belonging to a suspected terrorist and Apple told em basically to go and sh1te and they weren't able to access it


  • #465
    JimPa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 83 ✭✭JimPa


    wellwhynot wrote: »
    It reminds me a bit of the O’Dwyer case. He was to his family a normal family man as was Larry Murphy. Both of the above went home and acted as normal after murdering their vicims.

    Mark Hennessy didn’t though. He had been missing since yesterday. He never returned home as planned. Does that give us some hope that Jastine is out there somewhere?

    It's possible he realised that he was caught. There was an eyewitness who claimed they seen a woman being bundled into a car and another eyewitness who seen a women in distress in a moving vehicle.

    O'Dwyer was clinical. It seems this man was not. We might guess it was unplanned or poorly planned.

    Which might suggest it was a recent decision.

    Which might help suggest the motive.


  • #466
    Newdawn11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 ✭Newdawn11


    Kevin Irving wrote: »
    You might be right, but since none of us know what happened, I'll propose another scenario.

    ***The below is totally made up by me***

    Accidentally knocks the girl down in the car on the road and injures her. Panics and tries to bring her to hospital, she resists and wants an ambulance, but he puts her in the car anyway.

    On the way to hospital she dies. He panics and thinks he go to prison for it. Becomes totally irrational and wants to kill himself rather than face up to it. Garda find him, he gets hysterical and they shoot him.

    ****

    See, we can all speculate and come to our own conclusions.

    She was abducted...bundled into the car against her will.


  • #467
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Tippex wrote: »
    I would imagine they were all over it before the car reg was released to the public.


    IT saying the Guards went to the registered address earlier today, and spoke to the suspects wife who is the registered owner. They then learned he had been out with the car since last night.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-wanted-in-connection-with-missing-woman-dies-after-being-shot-by-garda-1.3501945

    ...fingers crossed for a good outcome.


  • #468
    JaMarcus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭JaMarcus


    Qrt wrote: »
    Google timeline can be turned off AFAIK.

    How accurate is it anyway? I always thought that unless you used it for satnav, it only tracks the general area. And if GPS is switched off, how accurate would it be anyway? Genuine question as I'm curious how it works.


  • #469
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I think we can all agree they are asking WHY WHY WHY did they kill him, he knows where she is.
    .

    How do you know that?


  • #470
    pah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭pah


    Cannon Ripe Penalty wrote: »
    You said it was the last resort. From memory abbeylara was anything but a last resort band resulted in a commission of inquiry which went against AGS

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_John_Carthy

    Yes but the criticism stemmed from management's handling of the overall situation as opposed to decisions made by the ERU to eventually fire on Carthy and yes it was absolutely a last resort.


  • #471
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Qrt wrote: »
    Damien360 wrote: »
    An hour or two to pull the data from cell masts. Google timeline doesn't seem to upload activity on my phone for a few hours.

    Google timeline can be turned off AFAIK.

    Yes. It's an opt in service. iPhone frequent places is another opt in but is on by default.


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  • #472
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    G_R wrote: »
    Wasn't there a case in the US where the FBI had to get apples help to unlock a phone belonging to a suspected terrorist and Apple told em basically to go and sh1te and they weren't able to access it

    Yes there was but the FBI then bypassed apple and had a 3rd party open the phone which pissed off apple
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  • #473
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    JaMarcus wrote: »
    How accurate is it anyway? I always thought that unless you used it for satnav, it only tracks the general area. And if GPS is switched off, how accurate would it be anyway? Genuine question as I'm curious how it works.

    I just looked at my timeline there.
    It was mostly accurate, except for a 60km odd cross country journey I didn't take this morning.


  • #474
    OldMrBrennan83
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  • #475
    RockDesk
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    d'Oracle wrote: »
    I just looked at my timeline there.
    It was mostly accurate, except for a 60km odd cross country journey I didn't take this morning.

    That's *your* story...!


  • #476
    kirving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,294 ✭✭✭kirving


    Newdawn11 wrote: »
    She was abducted...bundled into the car against her will.

    Which I've addressed in the above theory. I made it up, but it's plausible at the very least, is it not?

    It's such a bizzare chain of events up to now, anything is possible.


  • #477
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    JaMarcus wrote: »
    How accurate is it anyway? I always thought that unless you used it for satnav, it only tracks the general area. And if GPS is switched off, how accurate would it be anyway? Genuine question as I'm curious how it works.

    Pretty accurate. Attached is a redacted version of mine for a portion of today. It's accurate to within a few metres.


  • #478
    d'Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,025 ✭✭✭d'Oracle


    RockDesk wrote: »
    That's *your* story...!

    Look, its just a good thing I didn't tell you the locations involved, we'll say that....


  • #479
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    JaMarcus wrote: »
    How accurate is it anyway? I always thought that unless you used it for satnav, it only tracks the general area. And if GPS is switched off, how accurate would it be anyway? Genuine question as I'm curious how it works.

    Its not reliable enough to navigate with but as a record of criminal activity its pretty good in built up areas. The neighbour cell table can be 10-12 CIDs long, that gives you a very strong gist of triangulation. Rurally it might be 1-2 long leaving you with a strip 1km wide and 4km long.


  • #480
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    G_R wrote: »
    Pretty accurate. Attached is a redacted version of mine for a portion of today. It's accurate to within a few metres.

    Not very well redacted...


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  • #481
    PandaPoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭PandaPoo


    I've been in work since 1 this afternoon so only heard about this case now. If it's the guy named above then he lives locally and I would know him to see. Obviously there are bad eggs everywhere but it's strange to think of them being so familiar.

    I really hope Jastine is found safe very soon, her family must be going through hell. Also the man's wife and children, awful for all involved.


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