Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Moosey15 · 10-04-2018 07:45AM

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/comment-codys-time-as-top-cat-has-come-to-an-end-the-legendary-manager-should-be-moved-to-a-director-role-36540340.html. ..... Move forward a few weeks.......https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-win-proves-sporting-logic-doesnt-apply-to-cody-or-his-cats-36787151.html. I’m almost embarrassed for him,anyone else agree our media are gone as bad as U.K. tabloids ??

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 08:34AM

Moosey15 wrote: »

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/comment-codys-time-as-top-cat-has-come-to-an-end-the-legendary-manager-should-be-moved-to-a-director-role-36540340.html. ..... Move forward a few weeks.......https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-win-proves-sporting-logic-doesnt-apply-to-cody-or-his-cats-36787151.html. I’m almost embarrassed for him,anyone else agree our media are gone as bad as U.K. tabloids ??

I must admit I had a little chuckle when i read this article yesterday because I posted the link to the original one here a couple of months ago and expressed the opinion that I felt it was disgraceful and disrespectful to the greatest manager the association has ever seen and a few posters challenged me on it.

But what's really laughable is that he doesn't even acknowledge the original article yesterday it's like he never wrote it. Also this individual has strong Kilkenny connections, his father is from Kilkenny though he was born in the West of Ireland.

It really is symptomatic of a lot of what passes as Journalism today, sensationalist click bait nonsense. Chances are if we don't win the All Ireland he will revert to his original agruement and probably even reference his first article and ignore yesterday's.

In defence of the Indo their GAA coverage is in the main quite good Martin Breheny(one of the few journalists or pundits to call Sundays game correctly) and Colm Keys are always worth reading.

Moosey15 · 10-04-2018 08:46AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I must admit I had a little chuckle when i read this article yesterday because I posted the link to the original one here a couple of months ago and expressed the opinion that I felt it was disgraceful and disrespectful to the greatest manager the association has ever seen and a few posters challenged me on it.

But what's really laughable is that he doesn't even acknowledge the original article yesterday it's like he never wrote it. Also this individual has strong Kilkenny connections, his father is from Kilkenny though he was born in the West of Ireland.

It really is symptomatic of a lot of what passes as Journalism today, sensationalist click bait nonsense. Chances are if we don't win the All Ireland he will revert to his original agruement and probably even reference his first article and ignore yesterday's.

In defence of the Indo their GAA coverage is in the main quite good Martin Breheny(one of the few journalists or pundits to call Sundays game correctly) and Colm Keys are always worth reading.

Agree think the examiner ,(even allowing for cork /Munster bias) is the best of the lot of them for gaa coverage it’s sad seeing what the independent has been reduced to these days, really don’t know why they feel the need to compete with the incessant garbage churned out online ,you know the kind “ if all-stars were picked now “ or “power rankings” after a Walsh cup match in January.....that’s my pet f...g hate .pretty gutless of Sweeney not to even acknowledge his earlier article ,but as BC alluded to the other day ,they’ll just move on and do a job on someone else next week

Grats · 10-04-2018 09:05AM

I read Sweeney's latest article also. As I went down through it I fully expected him to at least refer to his previous stupid one but no a mention of it. It's as if he's suffering with amnesia and just simply doesn't remember it.

As was said in other posts, he'll no doubt have no bother remembering it when we exit the championship, whenever!

Referring back to the match - I fully expected that Tipp would switch Ronan Maher onto TJ, which clearly didn't work. I did think that Keoghan wouldn't cope with P Maher and that we'd have to put Wally out there. Not only did Keoghan cope with his opponent but Cody was happy to have Murphy drive puckouts down on top of them. And Keoghan won his share while keeping Maher fully occupied!

kilkennyboy · 10-04-2018 09:17AM

"Kilkenny trounced by clare" one score game the new trouncing. He puts it all down to tj carrying everyone.
Paper never refused ink

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 09:25AM

Moosey15 wrote: »

Agree think the examiner ,(even allowing for cork /Munster bias) is the best of the lot of them for gaa coverage it’s sad seeing what the independent has been reduced to these days, really don’t know why they feel the need to compete with the incessant garbage churned out online ,you know the kind “ if all-stars were picked now “ or “power rankings” after a Walsh cup match in January.....that’s my pet f...g hate .pretty gutless of Sweeney not to even acknowledge his earlier article ,but as BC alluded to the other day ,they’ll just move on and do a job on someone else next week

I would disagree with you on the Power Rankings and Mid Term All Stars i think they are innocent fluff and can start a harmless debate. It's the poorly agrued, contradictory click bait rubbish i would have an issue with. Thankfully it's not as big a problem in the GAA but we have seen it in other sports how irresponsible journalism can make or break a player or manager's career.

When you read what Sweeney wrote about BC a few months back is it no surprise that GAA players as one Kilkenny hurler brilliantly put it treat journalists "like mushrooms, keep 'em in the dark and fill 'em full of ****e"!

The problem I suppose is that circulation of newspapers is way down because most people can get it free on line so now they make most of their money from on line advertising. So tis all about the clicks, hence we get sensationalist crap being peddled as responsible journalism.

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 09:49AM

Grats wrote: »

I read Sweeney's latest article also. As I went down through it I fully expected him to at least refer to his previous stupid one but no a mention of it. It's as if he's suffering with amnesia and just simply doesn't remember it.

As was said in other posts, he'll no doubt have no bother remembering it when we exit the championship, whenever!

Referring back to the match - I fully expected that Tipp would switch Ronan Maher onto TJ, which clearly didn't work. I did think that Keoghan wouldn't cope with P Maher and that we'd have to put Wally out there. Not only did Keoghan cope with his opponent but Cody was happy to have Murphy drive puckouts down on top of them. And Keoghan won his share while keeping Maher fully occupied!

Must admit I was also a bit worried when i saw Paudie Maher moving out to his usual spot of left half back, i thought Tipp might have created a bit of a mismatch. But Mossy gave as good as he got and i feel in the subsequent analysis hasn't got anywhere near enough credit for his role in Sunday's victory. Maher is probably Tipps most influential player aside from his excellence under puck outs he is also and excellent playmaker. I don't recollect him catching many if any contested balls with Mossy, he did catch one above Wally's head when they were forced to switch him to full back, and whatever clearances he got in were on the back foot and were high and lofted, a defenders dream. And to think this kid was only a few days over age for minor last year!

RayVaughan1984 · 10-04-2018 10:04AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Must admit I was also a bit worried when i saw Paudie Maher moving out to his usual spot of left half back, i thought Tipp might have created a bit of a mismatch. But Mossy gave as good as he got and i feel in the subsequent analysis hasn't got anywhere near enough credit for his role in Sunday's victory. Maher is probably Tipps most influential player aside from his excellence under puck outs he is also and excellent playmaker. I don't recollect him catching many if any contested balls with Mossy, he did catch one above Wally's head when they were forced to switch him to full back, and whatever clearances he got in were on the back foot and were high and lofted, a defenders dream. And to think this kid was only a few days over age for minor last year!

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

Joe_ Public · 10-04-2018 10:12AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I must admit I had a little chuckle when i read this article yesterday because I posted the link to the original one here a couple of months ago and expressed the opinion that I felt it was disgraceful and disrespectful to the greatest manager the association has ever seen and a few posters challenged me on it.

But what's really laughable is that he doesn't even acknowledge the original article yesterday it's like he never wrote it. Also this individual has strong Kilkenny connections, his father is from Kilkenny though he was born in the West of Ireland.

It really is symptomatic of a lot of what passes as Journalism today, sensationalist click bait nonsense. Chances are if we don't win the All Ireland he will revert to his original agruement and probably even reference his first article and ignore yesterday's.

In defence of the Indo their GAA coverage is in the main quite good Martin Breheny(one of the few journalists or pundits to call Sundays game correctly) and Colm Keys are always worth reading.

Was with you until you got to Martin Breheny who could retire now and give journalism classes on how to regurgitate old articles for your entire career. I dont pay too much heed to be honest to match predictions, they get some right and some wrong, it's the quality of the analysis I look for. Problem with journalism today, the default position for reporters now is to sit in their office, surf the net, and expunge on any and every topic that catches their eye. Field reporting is critically diminished, specialists are frowned upon because papers, with that gimlet eye on the bottom line, won't feel they are getting the value.

Hurling is a tricky craft to write about, I think, because what looks simple actually needs a trained eye and a lot of passion. I always read Denis Walsh because I think he has that passion and a decent critical eye. The likes of McEvoy and Christy O'Connor are readable too. Whether you agree with them or not, you know they are watching and studying the games and offering you something considered and worth thinking about.

Charlie69 · 10-04-2018 10:22AM

RayVaughan1984 wrote: »

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

Cathal Barrett is made for a modern day full back in my opinion and I'm surprised Ryan hasn't tried him there during the league... mind you I don't think James Barry is as bad as he was made to look last Sunday either... Tipp's problems were further out the field.

RayVaughan1984 · 10-04-2018 10:34AM

Charlie69 wrote: »

Cathal Barrett is made for a modern day full back in my opinion and I'm surprised Ryan hasn't tried him there during the league... mind you I don't think James Barry is as bad as he was made to look last Sunday either... Tipp's problems were further out the field.

Absolutely.He's a very good defender and was the man who assisted Bubbles for 2016 final goal Vs KK and In Semi Vs Galway too.Yea,Barry is a good player.He was brutally exposed Sunday by failures further out the pitch!We were cleaned out in half,midfield and half forward.
That's what happens when Bonner doesn't start too. He is irreplaceable.

Village87 · 10-04-2018 10:36AM

Fair play to Cork GAA with there club fixtures. There down to play right up to the weekending 28/29th April. Not sure why why Kilkenny have to shut up shop by the 15th April, probably Brian Cody stating to the county board. Dicksboro very unhappy with this i heard and are in the process of doing something about this with the support of other clubs building momentum. GAA will have to look at the calendar again next year i think

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 10:47AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Was with you until you got to Martin Breheny who could retire now and give journalism classes on how to regurgitate old articles for your entire career. I dont pay too much heed to be honest to match predictions, they get some right and some wrong, it's the quality of the analysis I look for. Problem with journalism today, the default position for reporters now is to sit in their office, surf the net, and expunge on any and every topic that catches their eye. Field reporting is critically diminished, specialists are frowned upon because papers, with that gimlet eye on the bottom line, won't feel they are getting the value.

Hurling is a tricky craft to write about, I think, because what looks simple actually needs a trained eye and a lot of passion. I always read Denis Walsh because I think he has that passion and a decent critical eye. The likes of McEvoy and Christy O'Connor are readable too. Whether you agree with them or not, you know they are watching and studying the games and offering you something considered and worth thinking about.

Completely disagree with you on Breheny. He is old school doesn't have a social media profile attends matches and writes about them. He's not looking to promote himself, he report's the story rather than wanting to be the story.

As for Enda McEvoy, i attend a lot of hurling matches not just inter county but run of the mill club and under age county and club and hand on heart i have never seen Enda at a match. I am sure he's in the press box on the big days in Nowlan Park, county semis and finals but at the lower profile games i genuinely have never seen him. And then he writes an article in the Examiner last autumn about how the rebuilding process in Kilkenny is going to take 4-5 years because the talent isn't there anymore. Maybe if he actually went to matches he would know the hurlers were and are there and they just needed to be given their chance. This is the same individual who tweeted that he was giving the Walsh cup final(a stone's throw from his house) a skip this year because Spurs were on telly. And him a GAA journalist with a national newspaper, do me a favour!!

Joe_ Public · 10-04-2018 11:09AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Completely disagree with you on Breheny. He is old school doesn't have a social media profile attends matches and writes about them. He's not looking to promote himself, he report's the story rather than wanting to be the story.

As for Enda McEvoy, i attend a lot of hurling matches not just inter county but run of the mill club and under age county and club and hand on heart i have never seen Enda at a match. I am sure he's in the press box on the big days in Nowlan Park, county semis and finals but at the lower profile games i genuinely have never seen him. And then he writes an article in the Examiner last autumn about how the rebuilding process in Kilkenny is going to take 4-5 years because the talent isn't there anymore. Maybe if he actually went to matches he would know the hurlers were and are there and they just needed to be given their chance. This is the same individual who tweeted that he was giving the Walsh cup final(a stone's throw from his house) a skip this year because Spurs were on telly. And him a GAA journalist with a national newspaper, do me a favour!!

That's fine. It's ok to disagree, depends on what you want when you sit down to read a newspaper. I get that Breheny is old school and there is much to say for that in general terms, but the thing is I would and will never read a Breheny article and go, wow, that was a great read whereas with, say, McEvoy there will be a fair few misses but, every now and then, he'll come up with the goods and I'll feel better for reading it. That's why I believe Walsh, though he's probably upset a few KK folk over the years, is the best, his ratio of hits to misses is the best in the book.

I can't talk about what matches Enda McEvoy goes or doesn't go to. Same with Breheny too for that matter.

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:11AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Completely disagree with you on Breheny. He is old school doesn't have a social media profile attends matches and writes about them. He's not looking to promote himself, he report's the story rather than wanting to be the story.

As for Enda McEvoy, i attend a lot of hurling matches not just inter county but run of the mill club and under age county and club and hand on heart i have never seen Enda at a match. I am sure he's in the press box on the big days in Nowlan Park, county semis and finals but at the lower profile games i genuinely have never seen him. And then he writes an article in the Examiner last autumn about how the rebuilding process in Kilkenny is going to take 4-5 years because the talent isn't there anymore. Maybe if he actually went to matches he would know the hurlers were and are there and they just needed to be given their chance. This is the same individual who tweeted that he was giving the Walsh cup final(a stone's throw from his house) a skip this year because Spurs were on telly. And him a GAA journalist with a national newspaper, do me a favour!!

Yes, a hifalutin article doesn't necessarily mean you know your subject matter as clearly as you pretend to.

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:23AM

Village87 wrote: »

Fair play to Cork GAA with there club fixtures. There down to play right up to the weekending 28/29th April. Not sure why why Kilkenny have to shut up shop by the 15th April, probably Brian Cody stating to the county board. Dicksboro very unhappy with this i heard and are in the process of doing something about this with the support of other clubs building momentum. GAA will have to look at the calendar again next year i think

I believe Cork start their championship campaign later than Kilkenny do. As regards complaints from Dicksboro, the sight of Cillian Buckley lifting the League trophy should compensate somewhat. Anybody I spoke to on the pitch after the final whistle was elated and whilst they're were some concerns about the club fixtures everybody appreciated the importance of county success.

It was unfortunate that the bad weather scuppered the first round of our local fixtures but surely an extended run in the league was vital in any case.

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:32AM

RayVaughan1984 wrote: »

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

It's not all to do with the calibre of player, you must have the right attitude. Cody has developed an environment over the years. Players know and understand what's expected of them. He quickly weeds out those who aren't suitable. Work rate is a vital ingredient as we witnessed yet again on Sunday.

On Barrett, he's not at all suitable out the field. He's just too exposed as he lashes out instinctively. He needs it tight where his "style" isn't as exposed.

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 11:35AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

That's fine. It's ok to disagree, depends on what you want when you sit down to read a newspaper. I get that Breheny is old school and there is much to say for that in general terms, but the thing is I would and will never read a Breheny article and go, wow, that was a great read whereas with, say, McEvoy there will be a fair few misses but, every now and then, he'll come up with the goods and I'll feel better for reading it. That's why I believe Walsh, though he's probably upset a few KK folk over the years, is the best, his ratio of hits to misses is the best in the book.

I can't talk about what matches Enda McEvoy goes or doesn't go to. Same with Breheny too for that matter.

I would be more interested in content rather than prose when i read about hurling. That's why I would have respect for the likes of Breheny, Christy O'Connor, Mick Foley, Colm Keys. And have no time for the likes of McEvoy or Walsh, who certainly had a barely concealed agenda when it came to Kilkenny in the noughties(the length of the grass was one of the reasons he put forward for Kilkenny beating Cork in '06). He was also one of the main cheerleaders in the Kilkenny hurling "over the edge" campaign in that period. Once describing Kilkenny's training sessions as "bordering on lawlessness ", i attended many of those training sessions back in the days when it was an open door policy and that certainly wasn't my experience! I wonder how many he attended him being based in Cork?!

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:45AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I would be more interested in content rather than prose when i read about hurling. That's why I would have respect for the likes of Breheny, Christy O'Connor, Mick Foley, Colm Keys. And have no time for the likes of McEvoy or Walsh, who certainly had a barely concealed agenda when it came to Kilkenny in the noughties(the length of the grass was one of the reasons he put forward for Kilkenny beating Cork in '06). He was also one of the main cheerleaders in the Kilkenny hurling "over the edge" campaign in that period. Once describing Kilkenny's training sessions as "bordering on lawlessness ", i attended many of those training sessions back in the days when it was an open door policy and that certainly wasn't my experience! I wonder how many he attended him being based in Cork?!

Denis Walsh, like many Cork folk, just couldn't handle the defeat in 2006. He spent the following years having a go at Kilkenny in his weekly column where he couldn't be taken to task for some outrageous views. He would never respond to an email, just happy to churn out his bitterness without question. He probably eased off in recent years thinking we were finally gone. Watch out for him again soon!

MfMan · 10-04-2018 11:45AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Was with you until you got to Martin Breheny who could retire now and give journalism classes on how to regurgitate old articles for your entire career. I dont pay too much heed to be honest to match predictions, they get some right and some wrong, it's the quality of the analysis I look for. Problem with journalism today, the default position for reporters now is to sit in their office, surf the net, and expunge on any and every topic that catches their eye. Field reporting is critically diminished, specialists are frowned upon because papers, with that gimlet eye on the bottom line, won't feel they are getting the value.

Hurling is a tricky craft to write about, I think, because what looks simple actually needs a trained eye and a lot of passion. I always read Denis Walsh because I think he has that passion and a decent critical eye. The likes of McEvoy and Christy O'Connor are readable too. Whether you agree with them or not, you know they are watching and studying the games and offering you something considered and worth thinking about.

He'll be retiring next year anyway I think. Breheny is largely hopeless, constantly quoting stats and results to frame whatever opinion piece he's is currently on about. That is, when he's not drawing up comparison best-of lists or mid-term performance reports. He still hasn't quite credited Galway's successes last year, was very much in the Cunningham camp when the players heaved him 2 seasons back.

brookville · 10-04-2018 11:46AM

Grats wrote: »

RayVaughan1984 wrote: »

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

It's not all to do with the calibre of player, you must have the right attitude. Cody has developed an environment over the years. Players know and understand what's expected of them. He quickly weeds out those who aren't suitable. Work rate is a vital ingredient as we witnessed yet again on Sunday.

On Barrett, he's not at all suitable out the field. He's just too exposed as he lashes out instinctively. He needs it tight where his "style" isn't as exposed.

When the panel was cut a few weeks ago alot of lads including myself were dissaointed john Walsh and bolger were dropped both dangerous forwards but both probably lacking the drive,commitment,application and work rate that mossy or bill sheehan has.I'm not saying these two are the finished article but they just sum up cody.Im hopefull walsh and bolger can get the head down and stick at it because both have something to offer
Barrett was an all star two years ago corner back I can't understand how Tipp don't leave him in his best position.

Joe_ Public · 10-04-2018 11:55AM

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I would be more interested in content rather than prose when i read about hurling. That's why I would have respect for the likes of Breheny, Christy O'Connor, Mick Foley, Colm Keys. And have no time for the likes of McEvoy or Walsh, who certainly had a barely concealed agenda when it came to Kilkenny in the noughties(the length of the grass was one of the reasons he put forward for Kilkenny beating Cork in '06). He was also one of the main cheerleaders in the Kilkenny hurling "over the edge" campaign in that period. Once describing Kilkenny's training sessions as "bordering on lawlessness ", i attended many of those training sessions back in the days when it was an open door policy and that certainly wasn't my experience! I wonder how many he attended him being based in Cork?!

Ah well I knew the perceived anti-Kilkenny bias was going to come out sooner rather than later. Look, as I said, we all look for different things when we read stuff, I'm not saying your wrong in your choices and, to be honest, these types of discussions often lead nowhere fast or worthwhile. I like Walsh because I feel there's a good balance between knowledge and good writing in his stuff. I don't think he has to be right about everything or write what I want to read to be impressed. Confirmation bias is a reader's biggest enemy when it comes to assessing these things imo.

I remember years ago reading a piece Walsh wrote about the Cork full forward line of Fitzgibbon, Hennessy and Mulcahy and, even as a non-Cork man, it was an article that gave me goose bumps reading it. Something the likes of Breheny could not come near in a million and one years. Maybe that's the type of stuff I like reading, as opposed to the bread and butter stuff of why someone won last week's match and who will win the replay. We're well serviced with an army of pundits to give us the analysis stuff these days though I think the football ones are a bit better than their hurling counterparts in that department at the moment.

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 12:13PM

MfMan wrote: »

He'll be retiring next year anyway I think. Breheny is largely hopeless, constantly quoting stats and results to frame whatever opinion piece he's is currently on about. That is, when he's not drawing up comparison best-of lists or mid-term performance reports. He still hasn't quite credited Galway's successes last year, was very much in the Cunningham camp when the players heaved him 2 seasons back.

God imagine that a journalist able to back up his opinion with stats and results! Sack him quick, we need more spoofers and click bait attention seekers!

And where did he not credit Galway for last year's success? He ranked them as number one in this end of season rankings which you so much despise! And like myself he feels the jury is very much still out on this current Galway team, with the age profile of the team they will have to go on and win another All Ireland or two over the next few years if they want to be remembered as a great team rather than just a good team.

And yes he was very much in the Cunningham camp as were a number of the players. The campaign was very much driven by a group of senior players three of whom Tannion, Collins and Smith had axes to grind as he had dropped them that year. The key to that heave was getting senior player and club mate of Cunningham's David Burke on board which from my sources was touch and go and he did it reluctantly because he felt it was the only way to get the issue sorted otherwise it could've turned into a right mess!

Village87 · 10-04-2018 01:35PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Thought Forde did pretty well myself, caught a few balls and did at least look like he could have been a threat if more decent supply had come his way. Not sure how Callanan comes back into the fold when he's fit, but cant see it being at the expense of Forde way things have gone. John McGrath was quieter yesterday, the little he did he did wonderfully, as you'd expect, but Tipp needed a bit more. Dan McCormack is the key to getting that forward line moving I believe.

Why didnt Tipp managment put Forde or Mcgrath Centre forward on Buckley ?

This would stop Buckley moving around. Bill Mccarthy didnt know what to do with he Sliother. Forde or Mcgrath would get 2 r 3 handy points then Buckley would have to step up and man mark.

Very naive from Tipp management

Grats · 10-04-2018 02:24PM

Village87 wrote: »

Why didnt Tipp managment put Forde or Mcgrath Centre forward on Buckley ?

This would stop Buckley moving around. Bill Mccarthy didnt know what to do with he Sliother. Forde or Mcgrath would get 2 r 3 handy points then Buckley would have to step up and man mark.

Very naive from Tipp management

My guess is that neither would work their socks off to stay with Buckley. They were relatively quiet on the markers they were on, couldn't imagine them getting anything more off Buckley in that case. Moving either would have helped their original opponent to get on top.

Joe_ Public · 10-04-2018 02:40PM

Village87 wrote: »

Why didnt Tipp managment put Forde or Mcgrath Centre forward on Buckley ?

This would stop Buckley moving around. Bill Mccarthy didnt know what to do with he Sliother. Forde or Mcgrath would get 2 r 3 handy points then Buckley would have to step up and man mark.

Very naive from Tipp management

It's a fair question. McCarthy was left on a long time, as was Curran. Dont know what Tipp management were thinking. Mark Russell did a bit of damage when he got a full half the last day in the League match, got on with 10 minutes left here and his colleagues being beaten up a stick.

Moosey15 · 10-04-2018 02:53PM

Do you have any details on who was cut from panel short time ago ,who remains on periphery/training panel ?

danganabu · 10-04-2018 02:59PM

blackcard wrote: »

Dangan, if all players are fit what do you think the Tipperary championship would look like? They came close enough last year and the inclusion of Alan Flynn, Jason Forde and Cathal Barrett should improve them? Or have some players gone backwards? Would yesterday's 1-9 team be far off? Just trying to figure out the merits of Kilkenny's performance yesterday.

Thats a very good question, I think that the starting 15, injuries aside, will look something like ;

Mooney

Flynn Barry Cahill

Heffernan R Maher P Maher

B Maher D Mc Cormack

Bonner S Callinan N Mcgrath

Bubbles J Forde J McGrath

Personally I would have Barrett or Donagh Maher full back but dont see that happening this late in the year and while Barry has had a very poor league and was poor for most of last year he actually had a very good game against Galway last year, Mick Ryan obviously sees him as his number one full back and to be fair to Barry and a little like Joey Holden in 2016 the problems were coming from farther out the field and it was more a case of the last line being the one visually exposed.

I would also play Hogan in the goals but again Mick Ryan seems fairly set on Mooney, I appreciate that our half forward line were poor and have to take a huge portion of the blame but Mooney's puck outs were and are atrocious, when you consider a goalkepper will have on average between 30-35 puckouts a game its a massive part of a keepers artilary and Mooney is incredibly poor at it.

All and all the doom and gloom that has descended on Tipp folk in the last 48 hrs is completly OTT, we are imo in a better place than we were 12 months ago and the reality is that 12 months ago it took a wonder score from a gifted player to seperate the All Ireland champions and Tipp, Flynn, Barrett and Forde have unquestionably added to the strenght of the panel so as long as, and its a big caveat, Callinan and Bubbles return to 2016/17 form Tipp will be bang there again come August.

Grats · 10-04-2018 03:08PM

Had Kilkenny lost on Sunday I think KK supporters would have been questioning as to why some of the young forwards were left on so long. But that's Cody's way in the league, give a player every chance and not to be just concerned with result. With a bit of luck young Alan Murphy could have had at least two points off Alan Flynn who's highly thought of in Tipp. The experience will stand to him as it will with the other youngsters.

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 03:18PM

Moosey15 wrote: »

Do you have any details on who was cut from panel short time ago ,who remains on periphery/training panel ?

Unfortunately it seems to be easier to get information out of North Korea than it is to get information out of the Kilkenny hurling camp. Though i did hear that Ollie Walsh was recently cut from the panel.

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