Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

Hammer Archer

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dastardly00

Jaysus Hammer Archer you've really laid out the ground rules early on! :pac:

I'm looking forward to some great discussion and of course to the continued success for our inter-county teams

deadybai

Michael Fennelly chatting about his biggest rivals and diet. Also congratulations to DJ Carey and all the Kilkenny lads involved with the Carlow IT team who beat UCC the other night.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/michael-fennelly-pays-tribute-to-retiring-tipperary-rivals-367168.html

Hammer Archer

dastardly00 wrote: »

Jaysus Hammer Archer you've really laid out the ground rules early on! :pac:

Well seeing as Waterford have pretty much the exact same OP, ye would feel left out if ye didn't have it :pac:

Realt Dearg Sec

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Well seeing as Waterford have pretty much the exact same OP, ye would feel left out if ye didn't have it :pac:

Normally it's Waterford looking for what Kilkenny have, not the other way round.

dastardly00

Well done to the 'Bridge for winning the Leinster IHC today.

randd1

dastardly00 wrote: »

Well done to the 'Bridge for winning the Leinster IHC today.

If Glenmore win next week, then Kilkenny clubs are on course to add another 2 AI club titles to the coffers.

As it stands it's 14 from 33 across all three grades since 2005 if I recall correctly.

Cornerback1

randd1 wrote: »

If Glenmore win next week, then Kilkenny clubs are on course to add another 2 AI club titles to the coffers.

As it stands it's 14 from 33 across all three grades since 2005 if I recall correctly.

When you study that, it's some achievement for one county. I thought Clara could have added to it also but not to be. Glenmore will be strong next year and so will B'brige.

Anybody know are the senior lads in training yet?

brookville

Cornerback1 wrote: »

When you study that, it's some achievement for one county. I thought Clara could have added to it also but not to be. Glenmore will be strong next year and so will B'brige.

Anybody know are the senior lads in training yet?

I've heard that that a fitness test was done recently but hadn't heard who was called in but I'm sure there's a group formed for the walsh cup in mid janurary. Well done to the bridge today btw

blackcard

dastardly00 wrote: »

Well done to the 'Bridge for winning the Leinster IHC today.

I understand that Robert Lennon got an extremely harsh red card so presumably will miss their next game

culbaire

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Normally it's Waterford looking for what Kilkenny have, not the other way round.

Kilkenny people don't mind looking for jobs in Waterford. So I guess you could say Kilkenny people don't mind looking for what Waterford people have.

Realt Dearg Sec

culbaire wrote: »

Kilkenny people don't mind looking for jobs in Waterford. So I guess you could say Kilkenny people don't mind looking for what Waterford people have.

Someone in Waterford has to do a bit of work.

robwen

Hearing Richie Power seriously considering retirement knee problems taking serious toll, few Shocks folk saying he might only hurl on goal for them next year, hopefully not true, he only turns 30 this week..

Cha Fitz apparently retired from club hurling aswell at the tender age of 30, I guess he has won it all, a few times!!

DiscoStew

robwen wrote: »

Hearing Richie Power seriously considering retirement knee problems taking serious toll, few Shocks folk saying he might only hurl on goal for them next year, hopefully not true, he only turns 30 this week..

Cha Fitz apparently retired from club hurling aswell at the tender age of 30, I guess he has won it all, a few times!!

Jaysus! I can't believe the demise of Cha! I know the intercounty game changed drastically during his era but he was such an immense talent, hard to believe he could be finished playing altogether now. I used to love watching him play, had such an effortless style about him.

brookville

robwen wrote: »

Hearing Richie Power seriously considering retirement knee problems taking serious toll, few Shocks folk saying he might only hurl on goal for them next year, hopefully not true, he only turns 30 this week..

Cha Fitz apparently retired from club hurling aswell at the tender age of 30, I guess he has won it all, a few times!!

Unfortunately richie is expected to announce his retirement any day it's a real shame his forced to retire.i think we owe alot of last year's success to richie he was brilliant against tipp in the two all irelands and definitely swung the semi final which was slipping
he trained very little this year but to come on and contribute it will be a great way to sign off he certainly owes his county nothing

dastardly00

A couple of big games this Saturday (tomorrow). Best of luck to Glenmore and St. Kieran's.

AIB Leinster Club Junior HC Final:
Glenmore vs Lusmagh (2pm O'Connor Park, Tullamore)

Masita GAA All Ireland Post Primary Schools Niall McInerney Cup (Junior):
St. Kieran's College vs Presentation College Athenry (1.30pm UL Grounds, Limerick)

danganabu

brookville wrote: »

Unfortunately richie is expected to announce his retirement any day it's a real shame his forced to retire.i think we owe alot of last year's success to richie he was brilliant against tipp in the two all irelands and definitely swung the semi final which was slipping
he trained very little this year but to come on and contribute it will be a great way to sign off he certainly owes his county nothing

Class act all right, I remember the first time I seen him was when my own club played Carrickshock in the first Intermediate club AI and even though he was only 18/19 at the time and it was a team full of household names he still stood out as the real deal, even at that age he was the go to man in the forwards that day. Will definitely be a loss to KK.

babyjesus14

Nice to see Conor Fogarty captaining Leinster in the Inter-Provincials this weekend, one of the most underrated hurlers in the country!

However judging by how the weather is in Galway at the moment and what is forecast to come there must be a major doubt about the games going ahead!!

Cornerback1

Anybody have a copy of the D.J. Cary DVD? I'd be willing to buy it.

Cornerback1

robwen wrote: »

Hearing Richie Power seriously considering retirement knee problems taking serious toll, few Shocks folk saying he might only hurl on goal for them next year, hopefully not true, he only turns 30 this week..

Cha Fitz apparently retired from club hurling aswell at the tender age of 30, I guess he has won it all, a few times!!

If Cha was still playing with county now at 30ish, how many All Ireland would he have had at this stage?

Cornerback1

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Nice to see Conor Fogarty captaining Leinster in the Inter-Provincials this weekend, one of the most underrated hurlers in the country!

However judging by how the weather is in Galway at the moment and what is forecast to come there must be a major doubt about the games going ahead!!

Yes, west coast to take a serious battering. Rain, not wind, is the biggest factor this week-end i think. These inter pros are just threw in a free week-end. Personally, i think they deserve a lot better.

blackcard

brookville wrote: »

Unfortunately richie is expected to announce his retirement any day it's a real shame his forced to retire.i think we owe alot of last year's success to richie he was brilliant against tipp in the two all irelands and definitely swung the semi final which was slipping
he trained very little this year but to come on and contribute it will be a great way to sign off he certainly owes his county nothing

One of my favourite KK players of all time, great man to catch a ball, good off left and right, fast, terrific workrate and vision, unselfish and played the game in a sporting manner. His three goals in the 2014 AI's were a testament to his skills. Time to look after his own body now. Thanks for the memories, Richie.

citykat

dastardly00 wrote: »

A couple of big games this Saturday (tomorrow). Best of luck to Glenmore and St. Kieran's.

AIB Leinster Club Junior HC Final:
Glenmore vs Lusmagh (2pm O'Connor Park, Tullamore)

Masita GAA All Ireland Post Primary Schools Niall McInerney Cup (Junior):
St. Kieran's College vs Presentation College Athenry (1.30pm UL Grounds, Limerick)

Looks like the weather is having an impact.

Glenmore match moved to Lusmagh, same time, with a pitch inspection.

Kierans match has been postponed to Wed @ 11:00! :eek:

dastardly00

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Yes, west coast to take a serious battering. Rain, not wind, is the biggest factor this week-end i think. These inter pros are just threw in a free week-end. Personally, i think they deserve a lot better.

The weather here in Salthill is horrific at the moment.

babyjesus14

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Yes, west coast to take a serious battering. Rain, not wind, is the biggest factor this week-end i think. These inter pros are just threw in a free week-end. Personally, i think they deserve a lot better.

Absolutely, they are doing there best to kill it off! Despite the fact that the players seem to make themselves available for it as three of our All-Stars are doing this weekend!

babyjesus14

danganabu wrote: »

Class act all right, I remember the first time I seen him was when my own club played Carrickshock in the first Intermediate club AI and even though he was only 18/19 at the time and it was a team full of household names he still stood out as the real deal, even at that age he was the go to man in the forwards that day. Will definitely be a loss to KK.

Yeah, worked with a guy who was given the thankless task of trying to mark him in the '04 schools All-Ireland, he said even then it was like an Inter county hurler playing against school boys!

Eventually the management felt sorry for him and moved him.... onto Richie Hogan!:D

jeff bingham

Very good interview in the examiner with Shane Mcgrath, mentioned Kilkenny a good bit. I didn't know some of the tipp lads were at the funerals of Lesters father and Jackies cousin. Nice touch out of them

tbiggertycome

Cornerback1 wrote: »

If Cha was still playing with county now at 30ish, how many All Ireland would he have had at this stage?

Cha has 5 AI medals 3 as a starter in 2006, 07 & 08, a sub in 2009 & 11.
If he was still on the panel he would have 7- 2012 & 14.
Cha has fallen in love with golf and very much out of love with hurling from what I've heard. He's not interested in doing the training and I doubt he expects to play when he's not training. As far as I know he still lives in Dublin and when he's not that bothered, an hour and half to training and back is obviously not worth it for him when he would prefer to spend that time golfing. Apparently a serious golfer but you wouldn't expect anything else. A big loss to hurling but there is no point trying to continue if he's not commited to it anymore. I admire him for making that decision while I'm sad I won't get a chance to see him any time I catch a Ballyhale game.

babyjesus14

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Cha has 5 AI medals 3 as a starter in 2006, 07 & 08, a sub in 2009 & 11.
If he was still on the panel he would have 7- 2012 & 14.
Cha has fallen in love with golf and very much out of love with hurling from what I've heard. He's not interested in doing the training and I doubt he expects to play when he's not training. As far as I know he still lives in Dublin and when he's not that bothered, an hour and half to training and back is obviously not worth it for him when he would prefer to spend that time golfing. Apparently a serious golfer but you wouldn't expect anything else. A big loss to hurling but there is no point trying to continue if he's not commited to it anymore. I admire him for making that decision while I'm sad I won't get a chance to see him any time I catch a Ballyhale game.

I think Cha realised the game was passing him by when he quit the county panel. His lack of pace combined with his lack of physicality wasn't what Cody was looking for when Tipp up the intensity around '09/'10. And also his lifestyle wasn't conducive to modern day inter county hurling.

Cornerback1

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Cha has 5 AI medals 3 as a starter in 2006, 07 & 08, a sub in 2009 & 11.
If he was still on the panel he would have 7- 2012 & 14.
Cha has fallen in love with golf and very much out of love with hurling from what I've heard. He's not interested in doing the training and I doubt he expects to play when he's not training. As far as I know he still lives in Dublin and when he's not that bothered, an hour and half to training and back is obviously not worth it for him when he would prefer to spend that time golfing. Apparently a serious golfer but you wouldn't expect anything else. A big loss to hurling but there is no point trying to continue if he's not commited to it anymore. I admire him for making that decision while I'm sad I won't get a chance to see him any time I catch a Ballyhale game.

Does he not even play for Ballyhale these days? I thought he'd still play club hurling. Such a talented hurler but as you said, couldn't commit. If you include his All Ireland's medals etc. with the Shamrocks, he must has some collection.

village runner

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Anybody have a copy of the D.J. Cary DVD? I'd be willing to buy it.

Pm your name and address. I have it if it still works I will post it on. Don't rem it been brilliant

randd1

With the conventions coming up we got thinking and talking about the club scene last week over a few drinks, especially with the way the clubs had to wait for so many weeks for a proper game due to the minor SF replay.

We came up with this idea of a league based competitions for the clubs for both hurling and football to give players more games.

There's about 40 clubs in Kilkenny, so here was what we were thinking.

In the hurling, the top three leagues would contain 10 teams, the fourth tier would contain 10 teams made up of the remainder of the clubs and a few of the B sides from other clubs, with the fifth tier made up of other B teams, and so on.

Three up, top two automatically and into league final, with 3rd and 4th in a shield final which doubles as a playoff for the other promotion spot (obviously promotion not needed in top tier).Three down, bottom two automatically with 3rd and 4th bottom in relegation playoff. The Carlow clubs could also participate as they do now if they so wished.

This would replace other club competitions and would be completely independentof the club championship. It would be a total of 10 games, played from May to September, when the county sides are on the go, and games would be played without the county players when the county players are preparing for matches as it would be designed purely to give club players more summer games.

The football leagues would be the same format, played from January to April, and would double up as the championship, with the winners of each of the top 3 leagues being the senior, intermediate and junior champions.

All in all in would give clubs 20 games between the football and hurling leagues, with whatever games they get in the championship added on, with most clubs getting at least 6/7 games in the championships.

Does anyone think it would be a good idea? We were going to propose it, but were unsure what people would think about it.

jeff bingham

Seems good to me. You say it would run completely independent to championship. How would championship work then? As in junior/inter/senior? Open draw?

citykat

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Does he not even play for Ballyhale these days? I thought he'd still play club hurling. Such a talented hurler but as you said, couldn't commit. If you include his All Ireland's medals etc. with the Shamrocks, he must has some collection.

I recall seeing his name on a few programmes during the year - I'm fairly sure he played some part in their last game against O'Loughlins. In fairness there's no half measures in club hurling in Kilkenny especially at a club like Ballyhale.

randd1

jeff bingham wrote: »

Seems good to me. You say it would run completely independent to championship. How would championship work then? As in junior/inter/senior? Open draw?

The Hurling Championship would run as it is, which is a fine system.

The hurling league would be run on the weeks when county teams are active, when the county players aren't available to the clubs. As there is only 10 rounds, we would only need 10 free weeks from May to September, which in the current GAA Championship calendar, we already have due to minor, senior, intermediate and U21 commitments inter-county commitments.

pmy.murphy

culbaire wrote: »

Kilkenny people don't mind looking for jobs in Waterford. So I guess you could say Kilkenny people don't mind looking for what Waterford people have.

Big difference between jobs and land/peoples heritage and sense of identity. People have to work to survive no matter where it is but stealing peoples sense of identity and forcing some very proud kk people over around slieverue direction to live in waterford isnt fair

Faugheen

jeff bingham wrote: »

Very good interview in the examiner with Shane Mcgrath, mentioned Kilkenny a good bit. I didn't know some of the tipp lads were at the funerals of Lesters father and Jackies cousin. Nice touch out of them

Why wouldn't they? Eoin Kelly was at Tommy Walsh's wedding. These lads, no matter what county are from, are all part of the GAA community. Kilkenny lads would do the same if it was one of the Tipp players that lost a loved one.

Sorry for the rant but 'nice touch out of them' makes it sound like Tipp lads are some sort of evil that decided to do something nice.

Cornerback1

With Clara being champions, will Shane Prender, Conor O'Shea or Chris Bolger be KK captain this year?

What do yous reckon?

randd1

Cornerback1 wrote: »

With Clara being champions, will Shane Prender, Conor O'Shea or Chris Bolger be KK captain this year?

What do yous reckon?

Shane Pender I'd say, he'd be the only one that would probably make the team.

babyjesus14

Cornerback1 wrote: »

With Clara being champions, will Shane Prender, Conor O'Shea or Chris Bolger be KK captain this year?

What do yous reckon?

I don't think there is any doubt that it will be Shane Prendergast.

Cornerback1

True. He'll probably be the only one from Clara who'll be in the first 15 i'd say.

Has Lester a chance to push on and gain a place in mid-field this year? He could play half back also.

babyjesus14

Cornerback1 wrote: »

True. He'll probably be the only one from Clara who'll be in the first 15 i'd say.

Has Lester a chance to push on and gain a place in mid-field this year? He could play half back also.

Have my doubts about Lester at that level, was tried out at half back in last years league and Cody quickly abandoned that idea . Would really like to see Chris Bolger get some game time in the league, definitely think he has potential.

brookville

Shane will be nominated from clara to represent them as kilkenny captain no doubt.lester was captain last year while the other two will be hoping to break into the match day squad .Chris bolger will be one to watch and hopefully himself and kevin kelly can have good years

dastardly00

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Has Lester a chance to push on and gain a place in mid-field this year? He could play half back also.

Unfortunately I can't see Lester getting into the (championship) starting team. Mick Fennelly and Conor Fogarty would be my number one choice. If Fennelly is injured or not fit, which is always quiet likely, I'd prefer to have Richie Hogan there. I just think that Lester doesn't offer enough.

And in the half-back line, Buckley, Joyce and Padraig Walsh are superior players.

dastardly00

Congrats to St. Kieran's on another All-Ireland title.

Masita GAA All Ireland Post Primary Schools Niall McInerney Cup (Junior):
St. Kieran's College 3-11 Presentation College Athenry 2-4

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Shane will be nominated from clara to represent them as kilkenny captain no doubt.lester was captain last year while the other two will be hoping to break into the match day squad .Chris bolger will be one to watch and hopefully himself and kevin kelly can have good years

Yeah, Kevin Kelly should push on now and be looking for a place on team over the league. He done ok V Clare in Nowlan Park but then never pushed on.

By the way, what cover is there for mid-field? Good chance to try a few partnerships in Walsh Cup. I suppose Pádraig Walsh could slot in there if required. As someone said earlier, Richie is a good option but i like him in a free role in the half forward line. He can have a better impact there i think.

randd1

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Yeah, Kevin Kelly should push on now and be looking for a place on team over the league. He done ok V Clare in Nowlan Park but then never pushed on.

By the way, what cover is there for mid-field? Good chance to try a few partnerships in Walsh Cup. I suppose Pádraig Walsh could slot in there if required. As someone said earlier, Richie is a good option but i like him in a free role in the half forward line. He can have a better impact there i think.

Walter Walsh was very effective in midfield against Galway in the Leinster final, definitely got the better of Smith.

Cornerback1

randd1 wrote: »

Walter Walsh was very effective in midfield against Galway in the Leinster final, definitely got the better of Smith.

Smith is ok but he always wants to mix it instead of playing the game.

I like WW at half-forward under the puck outs and he can be an option in at full forward if things need to be changed. Once he gets a run on you he's hard to stop. Although i still believe that there's more in him in terms of scores. Needs to be targeting 3pts from play in every game.

brookville

Joe lyng will probably get a look around mf, not the most stylish but honest worker.brian kennedy and mark kelly have being flirted there.mark mansfield had a good year at club level he deserves a look

blackcard

brookville wrote: »

Joe lyng will probably get a look around mf, not the most stylish but honest worker.brian kennedy and mark kelly have being flirted there.mark mansfield had a good year at club level he deserves a look

The starting 15 from last year's AI will start off in prime position but our substitute bench looked lightweight in terms of experience and you would like to see options available to cover injuries and loss of form. I would see Joe Lyng providing an option at wing back rather than midfield. Hopefully, Chris Bolger and Kevin Kelly can push for places in the forwards. Not sure what options there are for full back, centre back or midfield?

robwen

Micheal Rice will be looking for one big last year if he can stay injury free