Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

SteJer · 09-04-2018 3:50pm

danganabu wrote: »

It's amazing what a win can bring from the woodwork, to all the regular and genuine posters here, and there are more here than on any other GAA thread imo, my heartiest congrats a faboulous win and I'll say no more in fear of upsetting the bandwagoners.

It brings out supporters who won't allow a Tipp "supporter" come on a Kilkenny hurling forum spouting rubbish about two of their defenders being comprehensively beaten by two Tipp players. I'm not sure if you are a troll and were looking to start something with your comment but the FACTS have proven your statement to be very inaccurate.

I wish when you say "I'll say no more" you would mean it but I feel we haven't heard the last from you on this.

babyjesus14 · 09-04-2018 3:51pm

BoroMan32 wrote: »

Imagine being a club hurler and having one proper match this weekend and then nothing until August. You'd wonder why anyone would bother.

Indeed it's the elephant in the room that the GAA pay lip service to.

Might the time have come to completely separate the League section of the Club scene and play it in the summer without the county players and then play off the Championship with the Inter County players when their season is over. Starting at the beginning of September as an open draw straight knockout with the four county semi finalists from the previous season getting a bye to the quarters and the other 8 teams playing a first round. Then the 4 first round losers could go into a relegation semi final to decide who goes down?

An obvious flaw would be the attractiveness of the club matches without the Inter County players but at least the club players would have a degree of certainty about their fixture list!

Grats · 09-04-2018 3:51pm

danganabu wrote: »

It's amazing what a win can bring from the woodwork, to all the regular and genuine posters here, and there are more here than on any other GAA thread imo, my heartiest congrats a faboulous win and I'll say no more in fear of upsetting the bandwagoners.

Fair play to you.

WhatsGoingOn2 · 09-04-2018 3:54pm

danganabu wrote: »

I will have to class myself as unknowledgeable so, because I certainly wouldnt have said that the All Star full back was ''out of his depth'' because to me that would be a stupid conclusion to come to

A lot of counties aren't playing any club games in April.

Better off to start the inter-county championship in April, have the All-Ireland in early August and then let the clubs play from mid-August (or earlier as the county teams exit the championship).
Then club teams could start their training in March or so aiming to peak mid to late Summer and forget about the 1 token match in April.

Grats · 09-04-2018 3:57pm

Village87 wrote: »

Forde had a great game yesterday. Finished a great goal,, scored 2 points from play, easily won another 3 and set up one or two. Also Padraig Walsh has had a big influence in games over the last 2 months bursting out of defence, wasnt allowed do that yesterday, i personally thought Forse won his battle

Don't make the mistake of judging Forde's performance on the basis that he got the better of P Walsh. You could hardly class his goal as "great' in all honesty. He was totally unmarked, P Walsh's fault, and was handed the ball. What exactly did he do in the second half to suggest he had a great game? If his performance yesterday is classed a great one then Tipp have a long road ahead.

danganabu · 09-04-2018 3:58pm

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

A lot of counties aren't playing any club games in April.

Better off to start the inter-county championship in April, have the All-Ireland in early August and then let the clubs play from mid-August (or earlier as the county teams exit the championship).
Then club teams could start their training in March or so aiming to peak mid to late Summer and forget about the 1 token match in April.

Agree completely, unfortuantly we simply have too many clubs and in particualr the dual clubs in Tipp to wait until August (although going on yesterday we might not have to wait that long

) if we left it until August it would mean having to play midweek in order to meet provincail lub deadlines.

Powerhouse · 09-04-2018 4:39pm

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Two great wins in Nowlan Park yesterday. Well done to all, players, mamagement and county boards.

To me the biggest talking point is the level of Lazy GAA Journalists there are in the country.

Two months ago, there was a campaign driven by the GAA journalists nationwide for “Cody to go”. He should go now or should have already gone! It will take too long to build a competitive team again. He should go with dignity, he owes Kilkenyn nothing. There is nothing coming on, Kilkenny haven’t won an Under-21 since 2008 etc. etc. blah blah… Answer, League Champions!

It is “ok” for posters here to write rubbish, as they are not Professional Journalists that are required and paid to research and verify the merits of what they write. Kilkenny GAA People in the know have been confident about the group of young players that are coming along, now and over the next few years (there may be some concern in 4/5 years’ time, but there is time to address that). The young hopefuls have been well developed through their clubs, primary schools, some secondary schools and what has been despite much criticism a very good development squad system, which may not give the perfect underage results but does make sure they have the basic tools to fit into a senior panel when the time comes, with a small bit of work, which you would expect would need to be done. A squad system which doesn’t burn out the enthusiasm of the players by starting in October of the previous year for ages as young as Under-14. A squad system that was much maligned last year in the local newspaper by Enda McEvoy. I’m sure he will be reading this, like many other journalists looking for the info. Bottom line lads, this is not the place to look. I’m sure Enda will be re-thinking his article in light of the most recent league campaign By the way, Brian Cody, did not unearth these lads in the back of his garden over Christmas.

The second example of Lazy journalism was the incident that was not reported and not even mentioned on league Sunday and I’ve yet to see any mention of the subsequent events by any GAA journalist. For those of who are unaware, in the 53^rd minute Aoife Murray the Cork goalie received a straight red card for a clothesline tackle on Shelly Farrell. Murray after protesting headed for the old stand side and then doubled back towards the new stand, but remained on the field of play while the penalty was being taken. Meanwhile, the Cork sub goalie (No.1), without the substitution of a Cork player went straight down into the goal for the penalty. The penalty was saved. In effect, Cork had 16 players on the field, not 14. The ball was pucked out as Murray left the field. The fourth official then put up a sign that number 1 (Which was the Cork sub goalie) was being replaced by number 10 (Amy O’Connor, who had in fact been taken off in the 44^th minute) while the Kilkenny management protested. Eventually the ref whose job it is to oversee that Murray left the field of play came over. It was only at that point Cork took off Katrina Mackey and Cork did actually go down to 14 players. The ref also ignored that the penalty should have been retaken/the Cork sub goalie cautioned. Terrible officiating.

The details may not have been clear to the journalists, but not one has mentioned that anything at all happened and a bit of leg work would have got a story, but as I said and proven yesterday there are so many lazy GAA journalists out there, who need to consider their position, not Cody! Then again, it does allow forums like this to thrive.

Many journalists write what people want to hear. I wrote here a few months ago when all was doom and gloom that it would be a bad result for Kilkenny not to beat Waterford down there and was questioned by those predicting relegation. I wrote the same about the League semi-final in Wexford when all around were bigging it up. I also predicted after a round or two of the League that Kilkenny would reach an All-Ireland semi-final.

I wrote here during the week that Kilkenny would beat Tipperary handy and was sneered at by Kilkenny people and mouthed at by a Tipperary one who seemed content that they were "favourites" (apparently that meant something?)

I also predicted that Tipperary would do very little in Munster and were at best third in the province. I'd nearly revise that downwards now given the gutlessness they showed on Sunday. I am currently "terribly wrong" for saying that but will be proved right once more. If you have any bit of original thinking around here you will be trolled. GAA journalists do better by not being controversial and indulging in group think as they have interviewees to get.

danganabu · 09-04-2018 5:00pm

danganabu wrote: »

Off with your wheelbarrow to the bookies so KK can be backed at 2/1 - oh and I think we can safely say Jason Forde is one of Tipps first 6 now.

Powerhouse wrote: »

I wrote here during the week that Kilkenny would beat Tipperary handy and was sneered at by Kilkenny people and mouthed at by a Tipperary one who seemed content that they were "favourites" (apparently that meant something?)

You weren't mouthed at snowflake you were simply offered advice that if you felt that strongly about the result that the odds available were a gift, you may also have noticed that I flaged KK last Monday as great value and I accordingly backed them at a crazy 9/4.

It has helped ever so slightly to dull the pain from leaving Nowlan Park after being spanked again

Powerhouse · 09-04-2018 5:07pm

danganabu wrote: »

You weren't mouthed at snowflake you were simply offered advice that if you felt that strongly about the result that the odds available were a gift, you may also have noticed that I flaged KK last Monday as great value and I accordingly backed them at a crazy 9/4.

It has helped ever so slightly to dull the pain from leaving Nowlan Park after being spanked again

You really know you're ****e when your own "supporters" are piling on against you!!!!!

:D:D

I wonder if any Tipp players (or is it just loyal supporters) had a bite at those odds? It might explain a few things.

danganabu · 09-04-2018 5:17pm

Powerhouse wrote: »

You really know you're ****e when your own "supporters" are piling on against you!!!!! :D:D

I wonder if any Tipp players (or is it just loyal supporters) had a bite at those odds? It might explain a few things.

I bet with my head not my heart, try it

And yes I am a loyal supporter and was there yesterday and was there at the final whistle and will be there again the next time we go down for out inevitable beating. Days like yesterday are hard to stomach but its what make the victories all the sweeter. And I saw enough positives over the league campaign to suggest we are in a stronger position this year than where we were last year.

As an aside I am intrigued by your reasoning for downgrading Tipp to 4th/5th team in Munster, on your own admission (incorrectly but how and ever) they had a depleted team out with only one of their starting forwards and you were fully expectant that KK would win comfortably so on what basis are you reassessing their ranking in Munster and what exactly have any of the other 4 done to overtake them??

babyjesus14 · 09-04-2018 5:23pm

danganabu wrote: »

You weren't mouthed at snowflake you were simply offered advice that if you felt that strongly about the result that the odds available were a gift, you may also have noticed that I flaged KK last Monday as great value and I accordingly backed them at a crazy 9/4.

It has helped ever so slightly to dull the pain from leaving Nowlan Park after being spanked again

Dude i wouldn't bother if i was you! I was the first one to flag up the 9/4 being offered by Spoilsports and i added it was an insult and he called me out on it! He's a classic troll just spoiling for a fight. The best way to deal with attention seekers is to ignore them it drives them crazy!!

Charlie69 · 09-04-2018 5:35pm

Powerhouse wrote: »

You really know you're ****e when your own "supporters" are piling on against you!!!!! :D:D

I wonder if any Tipp players (or is it just loyal supporters) had a bite at those odds? It might explain a few things.

How can you question danganabu's loyalty to his county when you seem so reluctant to reveal what county you're from.

Powerhouse · 09-04-2018 5:57pm

danganabu wrote: »

As an aside I am intrigued by your reasoning for downgrading Tipp to 4th/5th team in Munster, on your own admission (incorrectly but how and ever) they had a depleted team out with only one of their starting forwards and you were fully expectant that KK would win comfortably so on what basis are you reassessing their ranking in Munster and what exactly have any of the other 4 done to overtake them??

Stood still? While Tipperary have gone backwards. Barry's day is over. Breen will never make an inter-county hurler of substance as he just doesn't have the touch. John O'Dwyer's best days are already behind him.

I was not only "fully expectant that Kilkenny would win comfortably" but I was right.

I would reassess their ranking on the basis that they are worse than I thought. How complicated is that?

Powerhouse · 09-04-2018 6:01pm

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Dude i wouldn't bother if i was you! I was the first one to flag up the 9/4 being offered by Spoilsports and i added it was an insult and he called me out on it! He's a classic troll just spoiling for a fight. The best way to deal with attention seekers is to ignore them it drives them crazy!!

This is absolute BS. I "called you out" on the basis that you questioned those odds because the game was in Nowlan Park. The venue was, and is, irrelevant to Kilkenny winning that match. (I can't control a bookie's odds) At least try to be someway honest if you can find it in you at all.

babyjesus14 · 09-04-2018 6:41pm

Powerhouse wrote: »

This is absolute BS. I "called you out" on the basis that you questioned those odds because the game was in Nowlan Park. The venue was, and is, irrelevant to Kilkenny winning that match. (I can't control a bookie's odds) At least try to be someway honest if you can find it in you at all.

Nope, check your posts! I never mentioned the venue in my original post when i expressed the opinion that the 9/4 being offered by Spoilsports was an insult! And you questioned that. The mention of the venue came subsequently as one of the reasons I felt the price was completely wrong!

Who asked you to "control bookies odds?" And indeed you can change the odds that's how betting works. The bookmakers set the odds and the punter (you and me) dictates the price fluctuations after that or at least that is the theory !

seligehgit · 09-04-2018 6:47pm

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Grats · 09-04-2018 8:14pm

An extract from Brendan Cummins column in the Indo today. Exactly my point when comparing Reid and Forde. And indeed in comparing any Kilkenny player and Tipp player.

Hats off to TJ Reid. It'll tell you how good the Kilkenny forward line were 10 years ago that they had four TJ Reids playing. Now they have one and he nearly beat Tipp by himself. And he's a lesson to every forward who thinks they have skill; skill is no good unless you apply work-rate with it.

danganabu · 09-04-2018 8:32pm

Grats wrote: »

An extract from Brendan Cummins column in the Indo today. Exactly my point when comparing Reid and Forde. And indeed in comparing any Kilkenny player and Tipp player.

Hats off to TJ Reid. It'll tell you how good the Kilkenny forward line were 10 years ago that they had four TJ Reids playing. Now they have one and he nearly beat Tipp by himself. And he's a lesson to every forward who thinks they have skill; skill is no good unless you apply work-rate with it.

Think he is doing Reid a huge disservice there, no way they had 4 as good as him 10 years ago, infact they have never had 4 as good as him, as good a hurler as I have seen and I dont say that lightly.

brookville · 09-04-2018 8:38pm

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

A lot of counties aren't playing any club games in April.

Better off to start the inter-county championship in April, have the All-Ireland in early August and then let the clubs play from mid-August (or earlier as the county teams exit the championship).
Then club teams could start their training in March or so aiming to peak mid to late Summer and forget about the 1 token match in April.

A friend of mine from clare was telling me theres no club games till after they exit the championship and that clare are in training preparing for the championship.

Grats · 09-04-2018 8:38pm

danganabu wrote: »

Think he is doing Reid a huge disservice there, no way they had 4 as good as him 10 years ago, infact they have never had 4 as good as him, as good a hurler as I have seen and I dont say that lightly.

You can take that up with Brendan!!! I wouldn't necessarily agree with that opinion either but his view on work rate is spot on. I'm thinking back to yesterday, in the dying minutes of the match, and TJ Reid back in his own half chasing down a Tipp player. And that was after putting in a major shift from the throw in.

brookville · 09-04-2018 8:51pm

Grats wrote: »

Don't make the mistake of judging Forde's performance on the basis that he got the better of P Walsh. You could hardly class his goal as "great' in all honesty. He was totally unmarked, P Walsh's fault, and was handed the ball. What exactly did he do in the second half to suggest he had a great game? If his performance yesterday is classed a great one then Tipp have a long road ahead.

My twopence worth is i actually thought padraig looked nervous in the first half unlucky maybe to concede a free or two and was sucked into mcgrath after joey was beaten in the air leaving forde unmarked.In the secound half after we upped our workrate all over the field the quality of ball coming into tipp fowards suited us all day we had plenty of numbers getting back helping out.
I agree the differrence between forde and tj yesterday was tj came out caught ball and made things happen at critical times in the first half and showed huge leadership bit like what henry used to do.
looking foward to going to a few club matches this weekend jason cleere should be playing for the bridge hopefully richie is playing for danesfort and ger aylward for glenmore.

danganabu · 09-04-2018 8:53pm

Grats wrote: »

You can take that up with Brendan!!! I wouldn't necessarily agree with that opinion either but his view on work rate is spot on. I'm thinking back to yesterday, in the dying minutes of the match, and TJ Reid back in his own half chasing down a Tipp player. And that was after putting in a major shift from the throw in.

Agreed, he is a phenomenal player, kept KK in the game single handedly in the first 25 mins and was central to the hammering in the second half, but I dont get the reasoning for comparing Forde to him, no one ever ever suggested there was any comparision, and Fordes work rate was fine, certainly not one of the many guilty ones in blue and gold. Forde, McGrath and Flynn were the only three that I would absolve from any blame for yeserdays collapse.

JJs Left Hand · 09-04-2018 9:02pm

My favourite part of boards is the posters telling everyone how right they were in previous posts. Not sure how I'd be able to keep up otherwise.

Grats · 09-04-2018 9:03pm

brookville wrote: »

My twopence worth is i actually thought padraig looked nervous in the first half unlucky maybe to concede a free or two and was sucked into mcgrath after joey was beaten in the air leaving forde unmarked.In the secound half after we upped our workrate all over the field the quality of ball coming into tipp fowards suited us all day we had plenty of numbers getting back helping out.
I agree the differrence between forde and tj yesterday was tj came out caught ball and made things happen at critical times in the first half and showed huge leadership bit like what henry used to do.
looking foward to going to a few club matches this weekend jason cleere should be playing for the bridge hopefully richie is playing for danesfort and ger aylward for glenmore.

I agree with your analysis above on the match.

With regards club matches, it will be interesting to see which players line out as you said above. Any updates on the Mullen boys, are they back with Ballyhale?

babyjesus14 · 09-04-2018 9:06pm

Grats wrote: »

I agree with your analysis above on the match.

With regards club matches, it will be interesting to see which players line out as you said above. Any updates on the Mullen boys, are they back with Ballyhale?

Yep, all back on board apparently though Paddy is still recovering from a cruciate injury.

blackcard · 09-04-2018 10:37pm

danganabu wrote: »

Fair play to Cody and KK some win, TJ Reid is the best hurler in the country bar none and deserves alot more credit than he gets, when KK werent firing in the first half he single handedly kept KK in the game, Eoin Murphy proved again that he is the best keeper in the game and Paddy Deegan has been some find.

From a Tipp perspective the only small crumb of consolation and hope that I take from the game is that the only two forwards from the 6 that I expect to see come Summer actually comprehensively beat their opposite number, and Alan Flynn continued to impress in the corner, outside of that it was a bad day at the office, our goalkeeper has the most abysmal puck out I have ever seen its a back mans dream, they go so high I fully expecting that some day one of them wont actually come down! James Barry at full back is a huge problem, I think most of our other problames are fixable but full back is a huge problem and not one I can see being fixed anytime soon, a fully fit Cathal Barret might be an option there? Our half forward line were actually cleaned out and never has it been clearer how vital Noel McGrath and Bonner Maher are to Tipp, quite simply without those two we are worse than average.

Dangan, if all players are fit what do you think the Tipperary championship would look like? They came close enough last year and the inclusion of Alan Flynn, Jason Forde and Cathal Barrett should improve them? Or have some players gone backwards? Would yesterday's 1-9 team be far off? Just trying to figure out the merits of Kilkenny's performance yesterday.

brookville · 09-04-2018 10:38pm

danganabu wrote: »

Grats wrote: »

You can take that up with Brendan!!! I wouldn't necessarily agree with that opinion either but his view on work rate is spot on. I'm thinking back to yesterday, in the dying minutes of the match, and TJ Reid back in his own half chasing down a Tipp player. And that was after putting in a major shift from the throw in.

Agreed, he is a phenomenal player, kept KK in the game single handedly in the first 25 mins and was central to the hammering in the second half, but I dont get the reasoning for comparing Forde to him, no one ever ever suggested there was any comparision, and Fordes work rate was fine, certainly not one of the many guilty ones in blue and gold. Forde, McGrath and Flynn were the only three that I would absolve from any blame for yeserdays collapse.

I actually thought billy Mccarthy tried hard but maybe not tidy enough yet for this level.
The reason I was comparing forde and tj was before the match most agreed they were the two best forwards of the league so that was my reasoning.

conor05 · 09-04-2018 11:21pm

brookville wrote: »

danganabu wrote: »

Grats wrote: »

You can take that up with Brendan!!! I wouldn't necessarily agree with that opinion either but his view on work rate is spot on. I'm thinking back to yesterday, in the dying minutes of the match, and TJ Reid back in his own half chasing down a Tipp player. And that was after putting in a major shift from the throw in.

Agreed, he is a phenomenal player, kept KK in the game single handedly in the first 25 mins and was central to the hammering in the second half, but I dont get the reasoning for comparing Forde to him, no one ever ever suggested there was any comparision, and Fordes work rate was fine, certainly not one of the many guilty ones in blue and gold. Forde, McGrath and Flynn were the only three that I would absolve from any blame for yeserdays collapse.

I actually thought billy Mccarthy tried hard but maybe not tidy enough yet for this level.
The reason I was comparing forde and tj was before the match most agreed they were the two best forwards of the league so that was my reasoning.

I can tell you here and now Kilkenny never had 4 players like TJ Reid. Neither 10 years ago or 50 years ago.
He is one of the best conditioned athletes in the GAA, he has every single attribute ticked off - height, aerial ability, strong as a bull, speed, points, goals, frees, penalties, vision. There is nothing he can’t do with the ball.
He is a better all round hurler than Henry and I don’t say that lightly.

conor05 · 09-04-2018 11:21pm

brookville wrote: »

danganabu wrote: »

Grats wrote: »

You can take that up with Brendan!!! I wouldn't necessarily agree with that opinion either but his view on work rate is spot on. I'm thinking back to yesterday, in the dying minutes of the match, and TJ Reid back in his own half chasing down a Tipp player. And that was after putting in a major shift from the throw in.

Agreed, he is a phenomenal player, kept KK in the game single handedly in the first 25 mins and was central to the hammering in the second half, but I dont get the reasoning for comparing Forde to him, no one ever ever suggested there was any comparision, and Fordes work rate was fine, certainly not one of the many guilty ones in blue and gold. Forde, McGrath and Flynn were the only three that I would absolve from any blame for yeserdays collapse.

I actually thought billy Mccarthy tried hard but maybe not tidy enough yet for this level.
The reason I was comparing forde and tj was before the match most agreed they were the two best forwards of the league so that was my reasoning.

I can tell you here and now Kilkenny never had 4 players like TJ Reid. Neither 10 years ago or 50 years ago.
He is one of the best conditioned athletes in the GAA, he has every single attribute ticked off - height, aerial ability, strong as a bull, speed, points, goals, frees, penalties, vision. There is nothing he can’t do with the ball.
He is a better all round hurler than Henry and I don’t say that lightly.

HughCassidy · 09-04-2018 11:57pm

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Two great wins in Nowlan Park yesterday. Well done to all, players, mamagement and county boards.

To me the biggest talking point is the level of Lazy GAA Journalists there are in the country.

Two months ago, there was a campaign driven by the GAA journalists nationwide for “Cody to go”. He should go now or should have already gone! It will take too long to build a competitive team again. He should go with dignity, he owes Kilkenyn nothing. There is nothing coming on, Kilkenny haven’t won an Under-21 since 2008 etc. etc. blah blah… Answer, League Champions!

It is “ok” for posters here to write rubbish, as they are not Professional Journalists that are required and paid to research and verify the merits of what they write. Kilkenny GAA People in the know have been confident about the group of young players that are coming along, now and over the next few years (there may be some concern in 4/5 years’ time, but there is time to address that). The young hopefuls have been well developed through their clubs, primary schools, some secondary schools and what has been despite much criticism a very good development squad system, which may not give the perfect underage results but does make sure they have the basic tools to fit into a senior panel when the time comes, with a small bit of work, which you would expect would need to be done. A squad system which doesn’t burn out the enthusiasm of the players by starting in October of the previous year for ages as young as Under-14. A squad system that was much maligned last year in the local newspaper by Enda McEvoy. I’m sure he will be reading this, like many other journalists looking for the info. Bottom line lads, this is not the place to look. I’m sure Enda will be re-thinking his article in light of the most recent league campaign By the way, Brian Cody, did not unearth these lads in the back of his garden over Christmas.

The second example of Lazy journalism was the incident that was not reported and not even mentioned on league Sunday and I’ve yet to see any mention of the subsequent events by any GAA journalist. For those of who are unaware, in the 53^rd minute Aoife Murray the Cork goalie received a straight red card for a clothesline tackle on Shelly Farrell. Murray after protesting headed for the old stand side and then doubled back towards the new stand, but remained on the field of play while the penalty was being taken. Meanwhile, the Cork sub goalie (No.1), without the substitution of a Cork player went straight down into the goal for the penalty. The penalty was saved. In effect, Cork had 16 players on the field, not 14. The ball was pucked out as Murray left the field. The fourth official then put up a sign that number 1 (Which was the Cork sub goalie) was being replaced by number 10 (Amy O’Connor, who had in fact been taken off in the 44^th minute) while the Kilkenny management protested. Eventually the ref whose job it is to oversee that Murray left the field of play came over. It was only at that point Cork took off Katrina Mackey and Cork did actually go down to 14 players. The ref also ignored that the penalty should have been retaken/the Cork sub goalie cautioned. Terrible officiating.

The details may not have been clear to the journalists, but not one has mentioned that anything at all happened and a bit of leg work would have got a story, but as I said and proven yesterday there are so many lazy GAA journalists out there, who need to consider their position, not Cody! Then again, it does allow forums like this to thrive.

The Cork manager reckoned in an interview on kclr afterwards that the kilkenny girl played to the home crowd to get her sent off himself that Ashling Thomson are special.

WhatsGoingOn2 · 10-04-2018 7:39am

HughCassidy wrote: »

The Cork manager reckoned in an interview on kclr afterwards that the kilkenny girl played to the home crowd to get her sent off himself that Ashling Thomson are special.

The Cork manager is a brother of the Cork goalie, so not a surprise that he said that.

Moosey15 · 10-04-2018 7:45am

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/comment-codys-time-as-top-cat-has-come-to-an-end-the-legendary-manager-should-be-moved-to-a-director-role-36540340.html. ..... Move forward a few weeks.......https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-win-proves-sporting-logic-doesnt-apply-to-cody-or-his-cats-36787151.html. I’m almost embarrassed for him,anyone else agree our media are gone as bad as U.K. tabloids ??

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 8:34am

Moosey15 wrote: »

https://amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/comment-codys-time-as-top-cat-has-come-to-an-end-the-legendary-manager-should-be-moved-to-a-director-role-36540340.html. ..... Move forward a few weeks.......https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/eamonn-sweeney-win-proves-sporting-logic-doesnt-apply-to-cody-or-his-cats-36787151.html. I’m almost embarrassed for him,anyone else agree our media are gone as bad as U.K. tabloids ??

I must admit I had a little chuckle when i read this article yesterday because I posted the link to the original one here a couple of months ago and expressed the opinion that I felt it was disgraceful and disrespectful to the greatest manager the association has ever seen and a few posters challenged me on it.

But what's really laughable is that he doesn't even acknowledge the original article yesterday it's like he never wrote it. Also this individual has strong Kilkenny connections, his father is from Kilkenny though he was born in the West of Ireland.

It really is symptomatic of a lot of what passes as Journalism today, sensationalist click bait nonsense. Chances are if we don't win the All Ireland he will revert to his original agruement and probably even reference his first article and ignore yesterday's.

In defence of the Indo their GAA coverage is in the main quite good Martin Breheny(one of the few journalists or pundits to call Sundays game correctly) and Colm Keys are always worth reading.

Moosey15 · 10-04-2018 8:46am

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I must admit I had a little chuckle when i read this article yesterday because I posted the link to the original one here a couple of months ago and expressed the opinion that I felt it was disgraceful and disrespectful to the greatest manager the association has ever seen and a few posters challenged me on it.

But what's really laughable is that he doesn't even acknowledge the original article yesterday it's like he never wrote it. Also this individual has strong Kilkenny connections, his father is from Kilkenny though he was born in the West of Ireland.

It really is symptomatic of a lot of what passes as Journalism today, sensationalist click bait nonsense. Chances are if we don't win the All Ireland he will revert to his original agruement and probably even reference his first article and ignore yesterday's.

In defence of the Indo their GAA coverage is in the main quite good Martin Breheny(one of the few journalists or pundits to call Sundays game correctly) and Colm Keys are always worth reading.

Agree think the examiner ,(even allowing for cork /Munster bias) is the best of the lot of them for gaa coverage it’s sad seeing what the independent has been reduced to these days, really don’t know why they feel the need to compete with the incessant garbage churned out online ,you know the kind “ if all-stars were picked now “ or “power rankings” after a Walsh cup match in January.....that’s my pet f...g hate .pretty gutless of Sweeney not to even acknowledge his earlier article ,but as BC alluded to the other day ,they’ll just move on and do a job on someone else next week

Grats · 10-04-2018 9:05am

I read Sweeney's latest article also. As I went down through it I fully expected him to at least refer to his previous stupid one but no a mention of it. It's as if he's suffering with amnesia and just simply doesn't remember it.

As was said in other posts, he'll no doubt have no bother remembering it when we exit the championship, whenever!

Referring back to the match - I fully expected that Tipp would switch Ronan Maher onto TJ, which clearly didn't work. I did think that Keoghan wouldn't cope with P Maher and that we'd have to put Wally out there. Not only did Keoghan cope with his opponent but Cody was happy to have Murphy drive puckouts down on top of them. And Keoghan won his share while keeping Maher fully occupied!

kilkennyboy · 10-04-2018 9:17am

"Kilkenny trounced by clare" one score game the new trouncing. He puts it all down to tj carrying everyone.
Paper never refused ink

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 9:25am

Moosey15 wrote: »

Agree think the examiner ,(even allowing for cork /Munster bias) is the best of the lot of them for gaa coverage it’s sad seeing what the independent has been reduced to these days, really don’t know why they feel the need to compete with the incessant garbage churned out online ,you know the kind “ if all-stars were picked now “ or “power rankings” after a Walsh cup match in January.....that’s my pet f...g hate .pretty gutless of Sweeney not to even acknowledge his earlier article ,but as BC alluded to the other day ,they’ll just move on and do a job on someone else next week

I would disagree with you on the Power Rankings and Mid Term All Stars i think they are innocent fluff and can start a harmless debate. It's the poorly agrued, contradictory click bait rubbish i would have an issue with. Thankfully it's not as big a problem in the GAA but we have seen it in other sports how irresponsible journalism can make or break a player or manager's career.

When you read what Sweeney wrote about BC a few months back is it no surprise that GAA players as one Kilkenny hurler brilliantly put it treat journalists "like mushrooms, keep 'em in the dark and fill 'em full of ****e"!

The problem I suppose is that circulation of newspapers is way down because most people can get it free on line so now they make most of their money from on line advertising. So tis all about the clicks, hence we get sensationalist crap being peddled as responsible journalism.

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 9:49am

Grats wrote: »

I read Sweeney's latest article also. As I went down through it I fully expected him to at least refer to his previous stupid one but no a mention of it. It's as if he's suffering with amnesia and just simply doesn't remember it.

As was said in other posts, he'll no doubt have no bother remembering it when we exit the championship, whenever!

Referring back to the match - I fully expected that Tipp would switch Ronan Maher onto TJ, which clearly didn't work. I did think that Keoghan wouldn't cope with P Maher and that we'd have to put Wally out there. Not only did Keoghan cope with his opponent but Cody was happy to have Murphy drive puckouts down on top of them. And Keoghan won his share while keeping Maher fully occupied!

Must admit I was also a bit worried when i saw Paudie Maher moving out to his usual spot of left half back, i thought Tipp might have created a bit of a mismatch. But Mossy gave as good as he got and i feel in the subsequent analysis hasn't got anywhere near enough credit for his role in Sunday's victory. Maher is probably Tipps most influential player aside from his excellence under puck outs he is also and excellent playmaker. I don't recollect him catching many if any contested balls with Mossy, he did catch one above Wally's head when they were forced to switch him to full back, and whatever clearances he got in were on the back foot and were high and lofted, a defenders dream. And to think this kid was only a few days over age for minor last year!

RayVaughan1984 · 10-04-2018 10:04am

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Must admit I was also a bit worried when i saw Paudie Maher moving out to his usual spot of left half back, i thought Tipp might have created a bit of a mismatch. But Mossy gave as good as he got and i feel in the subsequent analysis hasn't got anywhere near enough credit for his role in Sunday's victory. Maher is probably Tipps most influential player aside from his excellence under puck outs he is also and excellent playmaker. I don't recollect him catching many if any contested balls with Mossy, he did catch one above Wally's head when they were forced to switch him to full back, and whatever clearances he got in were on the back foot and were high and lofted, a defenders dream. And to think this kid was only a few days over age for minor last year!

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

Joe_ Public · 10-04-2018 10:12am

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I must admit I had a little chuckle when i read this article yesterday because I posted the link to the original one here a couple of months ago and expressed the opinion that I felt it was disgraceful and disrespectful to the greatest manager the association has ever seen and a few posters challenged me on it.

But what's really laughable is that he doesn't even acknowledge the original article yesterday it's like he never wrote it. Also this individual has strong Kilkenny connections, his father is from Kilkenny though he was born in the West of Ireland.

It really is symptomatic of a lot of what passes as Journalism today, sensationalist click bait nonsense. Chances are if we don't win the All Ireland he will revert to his original agruement and probably even reference his first article and ignore yesterday's.

In defence of the Indo their GAA coverage is in the main quite good Martin Breheny(one of the few journalists or pundits to call Sundays game correctly) and Colm Keys are always worth reading.

Was with you until you got to Martin Breheny who could retire now and give journalism classes on how to regurgitate old articles for your entire career. I dont pay too much heed to be honest to match predictions, they get some right and some wrong, it's the quality of the analysis I look for. Problem with journalism today, the default position for reporters now is to sit in their office, surf the net, and expunge on any and every topic that catches their eye. Field reporting is critically diminished, specialists are frowned upon because papers, with that gimlet eye on the bottom line, won't feel they are getting the value.

Hurling is a tricky craft to write about, I think, because what looks simple actually needs a trained eye and a lot of passion. I always read Denis Walsh because I think he has that passion and a decent critical eye. The likes of McEvoy and Christy O'Connor are readable too. Whether you agree with them or not, you know they are watching and studying the games and offering you something considered and worth thinking about.

Charlie69 · 10-04-2018 10:22am

RayVaughan1984 wrote: »

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

Cathal Barrett is made for a modern day full back in my opinion and I'm surprised Ryan hasn't tried him there during the league... mind you I don't think James Barry is as bad as he was made to look last Sunday either... Tipp's problems were further out the field.

RayVaughan1984 · 10-04-2018 10:34am

Charlie69 wrote: »

Cathal Barrett is made for a modern day full back in my opinion and I'm surprised Ryan hasn't tried him there during the league... mind you I don't think James Barry is as bad as he was made to look last Sunday either... Tipp's problems were further out the field.

Absolutely.He's a very good defender and was the man who assisted Bubbles for 2016 final goal Vs KK and In Semi Vs Galway too.Yea,Barry is a good player.He was brutally exposed Sunday by failures further out the pitch!We were cleaned out in half,midfield and half forward.
That's what happens when Bonner doesn't start too. He is irreplaceable.

Village87 · 10-04-2018 10:36am

Fair play to Cork GAA with there club fixtures. There down to play right up to the weekending 28/29th April. Not sure why why Kilkenny have to shut up shop by the 15th April, probably Brian Cody stating to the county board. Dicksboro very unhappy with this i heard and are in the process of doing something about this with the support of other clubs building momentum. GAA will have to look at the calendar again next year i think

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 10:47am

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Was with you until you got to Martin Breheny who could retire now and give journalism classes on how to regurgitate old articles for your entire career. I dont pay too much heed to be honest to match predictions, they get some right and some wrong, it's the quality of the analysis I look for. Problem with journalism today, the default position for reporters now is to sit in their office, surf the net, and expunge on any and every topic that catches their eye. Field reporting is critically diminished, specialists are frowned upon because papers, with that gimlet eye on the bottom line, won't feel they are getting the value.

Hurling is a tricky craft to write about, I think, because what looks simple actually needs a trained eye and a lot of passion. I always read Denis Walsh because I think he has that passion and a decent critical eye. The likes of McEvoy and Christy O'Connor are readable too. Whether you agree with them or not, you know they are watching and studying the games and offering you something considered and worth thinking about.

Completely disagree with you on Breheny. He is old school doesn't have a social media profile attends matches and writes about them. He's not looking to promote himself, he report's the story rather than wanting to be the story.

As for Enda McEvoy, i attend a lot of hurling matches not just inter county but run of the mill club and under age county and club and hand on heart i have never seen Enda at a match. I am sure he's in the press box on the big days in Nowlan Park, county semis and finals but at the lower profile games i genuinely have never seen him. And then he writes an article in the Examiner last autumn about how the rebuilding process in Kilkenny is going to take 4-5 years because the talent isn't there anymore. Maybe if he actually went to matches he would know the hurlers were and are there and they just needed to be given their chance. This is the same individual who tweeted that he was giving the Walsh cup final(a stone's throw from his house) a skip this year because Spurs were on telly. And him a GAA journalist with a national newspaper, do me a favour!!

Joe_ Public · 10-04-2018 11:09am

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Completely disagree with you on Breheny. He is old school doesn't have a social media profile attends matches and writes about them. He's not looking to promote himself, he report's the story rather than wanting to be the story.

As for Enda McEvoy, i attend a lot of hurling matches not just inter county but run of the mill club and under age county and club and hand on heart i have never seen Enda at a match. I am sure he's in the press box on the big days in Nowlan Park, county semis and finals but at the lower profile games i genuinely have never seen him. And then he writes an article in the Examiner last autumn about how the rebuilding process in Kilkenny is going to take 4-5 years because the talent isn't there anymore. Maybe if he actually went to matches he would know the hurlers were and are there and they just needed to be given their chance. This is the same individual who tweeted that he was giving the Walsh cup final(a stone's throw from his house) a skip this year because Spurs were on telly. And him a GAA journalist with a national newspaper, do me a favour!!

That's fine. It's ok to disagree, depends on what you want when you sit down to read a newspaper. I get that Breheny is old school and there is much to say for that in general terms, but the thing is I would and will never read a Breheny article and go, wow, that was a great read whereas with, say, McEvoy there will be a fair few misses but, every now and then, he'll come up with the goods and I'll feel better for reading it. That's why I believe Walsh, though he's probably upset a few KK folk over the years, is the best, his ratio of hits to misses is the best in the book.

I can't talk about what matches Enda McEvoy goes or doesn't go to. Same with Breheny too for that matter.

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:11am

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Completely disagree with you on Breheny. He is old school doesn't have a social media profile attends matches and writes about them. He's not looking to promote himself, he report's the story rather than wanting to be the story.

As for Enda McEvoy, i attend a lot of hurling matches not just inter county but run of the mill club and under age county and club and hand on heart i have never seen Enda at a match. I am sure he's in the press box on the big days in Nowlan Park, county semis and finals but at the lower profile games i genuinely have never seen him. And then he writes an article in the Examiner last autumn about how the rebuilding process in Kilkenny is going to take 4-5 years because the talent isn't there anymore. Maybe if he actually went to matches he would know the hurlers were and are there and they just needed to be given their chance. This is the same individual who tweeted that he was giving the Walsh cup final(a stone's throw from his house) a skip this year because Spurs were on telly. And him a GAA journalist with a national newspaper, do me a favour!!

Yes, a hifalutin article doesn't necessarily mean you know your subject matter as clearly as you pretend to.

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:23am

Village87 wrote: »

Fair play to Cork GAA with there club fixtures. There down to play right up to the weekending 28/29th April. Not sure why why Kilkenny have to shut up shop by the 15th April, probably Brian Cody stating to the county board. Dicksboro very unhappy with this i heard and are in the process of doing something about this with the support of other clubs building momentum. GAA will have to look at the calendar again next year i think

I believe Cork start their championship campaign later than Kilkenny do. As regards complaints from Dicksboro, the sight of Cillian Buckley lifting the League trophy should compensate somewhat. Anybody I spoke to on the pitch after the final whistle was elated and whilst they're were some concerns about the club fixtures everybody appreciated the importance of county success.

It was unfortunate that the bad weather scuppered the first round of our local fixtures but surely an extended run in the league was vital in any case.

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:32am

RayVaughan1984 wrote: »

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

It's not all to do with the calibre of player, you must have the right attitude. Cody has developed an environment over the years. Players know and understand what's expected of them. He quickly weeds out those who aren't suitable. Work rate is a vital ingredient as we witnessed yet again on Sunday.

On Barrett, he's not at all suitable out the field. He's just too exposed as he lashes out instinctively. He needs it tight where his "style" isn't as exposed.

babyjesus14 · 10-04-2018 11:35am

Joe_ Public wrote: »

That's fine. It's ok to disagree, depends on what you want when you sit down to read a newspaper. I get that Breheny is old school and there is much to say for that in general terms, but the thing is I would and will never read a Breheny article and go, wow, that was a great read whereas with, say, McEvoy there will be a fair few misses but, every now and then, he'll come up with the goods and I'll feel better for reading it. That's why I believe Walsh, though he's probably upset a few KK folk over the years, is the best, his ratio of hits to misses is the best in the book.

I can't talk about what matches Enda McEvoy goes or doesn't go to. Same with Breheny too for that matter.

I would be more interested in content rather than prose when i read about hurling. That's why I would have respect for the likes of Breheny, Christy O'Connor, Mick Foley, Colm Keys. And have no time for the likes of McEvoy or Walsh, who certainly had a barely concealed agenda when it came to Kilkenny in the noughties(the length of the grass was one of the reasons he put forward for Kilkenny beating Cork in '06). He was also one of the main cheerleaders in the Kilkenny hurling "over the edge" campaign in that period. Once describing Kilkenny's training sessions as "bordering on lawlessness ", i attended many of those training sessions back in the days when it was an open door policy and that certainly wasn't my experience! I wonder how many he attended him being based in Cork?!

Grats · 10-04-2018 11:45am

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I would be more interested in content rather than prose when i read about hurling. That's why I would have respect for the likes of Breheny, Christy O'Connor, Mick Foley, Colm Keys. And have no time for the likes of McEvoy or Walsh, who certainly had a barely concealed agenda when it came to Kilkenny in the noughties(the length of the grass was one of the reasons he put forward for Kilkenny beating Cork in '06). He was also one of the main cheerleaders in the Kilkenny hurling "over the edge" campaign in that period. Once describing Kilkenny's training sessions as "bordering on lawlessness ", i attended many of those training sessions back in the days when it was an open door policy and that certainly wasn't my experience! I wonder how many he attended him being based in Cork?!

Denis Walsh, like many Cork folk, just couldn't handle the defeat in 2006. He spent the following years having a go at Kilkenny in his weekly column where he couldn't be taken to task for some outrageous views. He would never respond to an email, just happy to churn out his bitterness without question. He probably eased off in recent years thinking we were finally gone. Watch out for him again soon!

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