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Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You not watching you have to see the other side. When Trump declared he was going to pull out of Syria. The US media went ballistic

    No they didn't .

    He said they would pull out and the pentagon said not anytime soon.


    But lets not forget about the 70 dead and 500 + injured in the latest chemical weapons attack in Syria


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Chrongen wrote: »
    Tessy May and BoJo must be delighted that this takes attention off their Salisbury farce that was supposed to take attention away from their Brexit farce.

    Skipral and his daughter are recovering now and it widely reported the relatives of the Skiprals were refused entry to the UK. The UK government does want anyone to know the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Skipral and his daughter are recovering now and it widely reported the relatives of the Skiprals were refused entry to the UK. The UK government does want anyone to know the truth.

    Viktoria skipal was refused a visa Being she's running her own misinformation program it was pretty much expected


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Gatling wrote: »
    No they didn't .

    He said they would pull out and the pentagon said not anytime soon.


    But lets not forget about the 70 dead and 500 + injured in the latest chemical weapons attack in Syria

    The decision is done Trump is pulling out. Russia saw this coming weeks ago there would be a false flag event in this region.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Gatling wrote: »
    Viktoria skipal was refused a visa Being she's running her own misinformation truth program it was pretty much expected
    .........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Gatling wrote: »
    Viktoria skipal was refused a visa Being she's running her own misinformation program it was pretty much expected

    She doesn't believe the UK version of events, so she denied a visa to visit? Is the UK North Korea?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Assad is a tyrant who wants to cling onto power at all costs, if this means bombing the population and turning the country into something that looks like Dresden in 1945, so be it. The Russians are only to happy to go along with that, because they also have zero concerns for the population as long as they get the desired outcome.
    If I had the choice of being oppressed by US backed forces or Russian backed forces, I'd go for the US 10 times out of 10.
    Say what you want about them, but genocide, starvation and mass human rights abuses are not really their thing.
    You can be sure that these will be the hallmarks of Russian and Chinese meddling in Africa and the Middle East going forward.

    Can you then provide information about the death camps, pogroms, daily mass executions and other horrific atrocities that are being visited upon the miserable people (what's left of them) of Crimea?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Mods please dont ruin another thread and bury it in that graveyard thats Politics Cafe 2.0.

    :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Reports of a chemical attack outside Syria’s capital thrust the U.S. and Russia into new confrontation on Sunday, with Washington calling for an immediate international response and Moscow warning against any military strike.

    Rescue workers and activists said dozens died in a chemical assault amid renewed government fire on Douma, the last rebel stronghold in the Damascus area. The use of chemical weapons last April provoked a U.S. missile strike, the first direct American hit on Bashar al-Assad’s regime since the conflict in Syria began in March 2011.

    The Foreign Ministry in Moscow warned that any foreign military strike against Syria over “fabricated” reports of chemical warfare may lead to the “gravest consequences.”

    Reported White Helmets were involved known Al Qaeda affiliates

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-08/u-s-calls-for-response-after-alleged-chemical-attack-in-syria


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    US President Donald Trump has said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad will have a "big price to pay" for launching a deadly chemical weapons attack on civilians, and blamed Iran and Russian President Vladimir Putin for backing "animal Assad."

    President Trump condemned the "mindless chemical attack" in Syria that has killed women and children.

    But the president offered no evidence to support the claim by Syrian opposition activists and rescuers that poison gas was used.

    Syrian President Bashar Assad's government is denying the allegations of such an attack on a rebel-held town near Damascus, the capital.

    Russia said this would happen and the US media will do wall to wall press on this event to get Trump to act. Must have a crystal ball or just good intelligence?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    An easy way for Assad /A.N Other to test chemical weapons safe in the knowledge nothing will be done about it.

    If you wanted to test chemical weapons then why wouldn't you just get a few people in a room and test the weapons on them?

    If you wanted to test the sharpness of a samurai sword what would you do? Just go out into the street and cleave somebody's arm off? OR would you whack some object like a pumpkin in half and then say "yep, this thing works" ?

    Your answer defies any semblance of logic.

    :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    I fully support Assad and Russia in Syria. They are the only stable forces in the area. The US wants to destabilise the region and supported rebels to that effect (Al Qaeda, FSA, etc.). However, that hasn't panned out too well and they are backing Kurds. While I am all for backing the Kurds, America wants to still have the support of Turkey, and when the chips are down, the Kurds pay the price.

    The Damascus rebels are on their knees. Using conventional warfare Assad has eliminated almost all of their territory. Maybe he has sought to level the playing field by using chemical weapons at the 11th hour in order to give the rebels international support. :rolleyes:

    Assad does not seem like a nice person. He is by all accounts a brutal dictator. But we should also be realistic instead of wanting to rebuild the middle east in our image. Assad's weakness created ISIL. Think about that.

    Yet he was invited to spend a few comfy nights at Buckingham Palace. Maybe there were no airbnb's available at the time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    The only thing that surprises me about this "chemical attack" is that it has taken so long to happen. I expected it weeks ago!
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106434873


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    No an NSA report in 2005 said warning shots were fired on the 2nd of August 1964. On the 4th of August 1964, a false report circulated three Vietnamese boats attacked US destroyer called the Maddox. Historians all agree today this never happened. US writers have tried to make excuses for this event to justify the war in Vietnam.

    Eh?

    Even the North Vietnamese claimed that shots were exchanged on 02 August. How else would they have claimed the torpedo hit on Maddox and shooting down a US aircraft? Maddox was involved in the 02 August incident.

    Strange warning shots that the US claimed to have sunk two of the boats, which also left a bullet hole in the destroyer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    If I had the choice of being oppressed by US backed forces or Russian backed forces, I'd go for the US 10 times out of 10.
    Say what you want about them, but genocide, starvation and mass human rights abuses are not really their thing.
    .
    Sure its not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Russia saw this coming weeks ago there would be a false flag event in this region.

    And that doesn't make you suspicious?


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    sickening, absolutely sickening.

    hopefully this is the final straw and Assad is finally brought to book


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Sure its not.

    Should we post pictures from the shooting down of Flight MH17 .
    To counter your post


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    And that doesn't make you suspicious?

    They are trying to stop WW3 and it only makes thing worse if the US attacks Assad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They are trying to stop WW3 and it only makes thing worse if the US attacks Assad.

    Who is trying to stop ww3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Eh?

    Even the North Vietnamese claimed that shots were exchanged on 02 August. How else would they have claimed the torpedo hit on Maddox and shooting down a US aircraft? Maddox was involved in the 02 August incident.

    Strange warning shots that the US claimed to have sunk two of the boats, which also left a bullet hole in the destroyer.

    There no evidence the 2nd of August event happened. If there was a major incident like this on the 2nd why would they need a 4th of August false flag event to be the call to arms? Like the NSA report said they were warning shots fired and the boats left the scene.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Jesus Christ lad - the USSR is over.

    But Jesus lad, don't you know that Putin wants to reinstate it even though he exposed and wrecked a Central Committee plot to reinstate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Gatling wrote: »
    Should we post pictures from the shooting down of Flight MH17 .
    To counter your post

    You can do what you like. I am merely replying to a comment that says human right abuses arent the Americans style which is a propostorous thing to say. The Americans are the biggest abusers of human rights on the planet, with there support of the Saudi tyranny, there utter disregard for democracy in South and Central America, and what about the chemical weapons they dropped on Vietnam where children are still being born today without any arms or legs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Those countries were already part of the Soviet Union, so no.

    Warsaw Pact, CS. Not USSR though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    You can do what you like. I am merely replying to a comment that says human right abuses arent the Americans style which is a propostorous thing to say. The Americans are the biggest abusers of human rights on the planet, with there support of the Saudi tyranny, there utter disregard for democracy in South and Central America, and what about the chemical weapons they dropped on Vietnam where children are still being born today without any arms or legs.

    Here people are still being killed and injured for WW1 and WW2 munitions sure lets blame America because no other countries do wrong.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    I find it extremely odd that the western media and politicians won't even entertain the idea that the desperate Terrorists facing certain defeat in Ghouta might be responsible for this (if it's even real or just faked).

    Oh I suppose it must be generally accepted by the western media and politicos that Terrorists even desperate ones always behave like gentlemen.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    archer22 wrote: »
    I find it extremely odd that the western media and politicians won't even entertain the idea that the desperate Terrorists facing certain defeat in Ghouta might be responsible for this (if it's even real or just faked).

    Oh I suppose it must be generally accepted by the western media and politicos that Terrorists even desperate ones always behave like gentlemen.:)

    This an area the Syrian army is fighting Jaish al-Islam ( Al Qaeda in Syria) surprise they are there too. I posted videos and photographs of a chemical lab belonging to this group in Syria last month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    A false flag is something placed artificially to give the appearance of something else.

    That Maddox and NV torpedo boats exchanged fire is historical fact. That two days later, the US Navy expended a lot of ammunition shooting at ghosts which were not there is also historical fact. Given the exchange of two days prior, the US Navy being a bit jittery is not malice, but just normal nature. Yes, the second incident was one of the arguments (in addition to the first one) which escalated Vietnam, but it's more to say that poor information led to the argument, not malevolence.

    Do any of your historical facts alter the fact that North Vietnam was falsely reported as having attacked a US vessel, unprovoked, in the Gulf of Tonkin?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I posted videos and photographs of

    A sputnik news piece embarrassingly enough


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    I think that the people responsible, US allies, should be brought before UN criminal courts. That’s unlikely as long as the US provides support for the jihadists.

    By the way what to make of trump claiming Iran was involved. What kind of controlled populace would believe that?


    I can just imagine John Bolton now rolling around and spanking his dick in ecstasy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Gatling wrote: »
    no other countries do wrong.

    I never once said that. You seem awfully concerned about this chemical attack more so than the hundreds wounded and scores killed in Gaza by Israel last week. You want Assad to die a painful death without zero evidence he conducted this chemical attack but not once condemned the Israelis last week. Strange that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Gatling wrote: »
    A sputnik news piece embarrassingly enough

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Chrongen wrote: »
    I can just imagine John Bolton now rolling around and spanking his dick in ecstasy.

    No orgasm at the end for him this time though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    I never once said that. You seem awfully concerned about this chemical attack more so than the hundreds wounded and scores killed in Gaza by Israel last week.

    Is that in a different thread .


    Though so .


    Sooner or later Asad will be dragged through the streets


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Da! Glorious Sputnik News is true news.

    We talked about this before Gatling is just promoting fake news. The Lab in Gouta was investigated after the rebels pulled out and Syrian army moved in. Independent journalists in the Middle East established the Syrian army version of events. The Equipment found and documentation in the lab came from Saudi Arabia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Gatling wrote: »
    Is that in a different thread .


    Though so .


    Sooner or later Asad will be dragged through the streets

    Lets hope not for the sake of the vast majority of the Syrian people. Although the west would love to see the same head choppers and heart eaters in charge of Damascus that flew them planes into the twin towers. Crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    We talked about this before Gatling is just promoting fake news.

    Of course! It's definitely Gatling "promoting fake news" and not the brand new account ending in a string of random number that has seemingly just signed up so they can tell everyone that Syria is a false flag attack, glorious leader Putin is best leader and the western media is lying to you, but you should trust Sputnik News.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    The one thing that never makes any sense to me is... the one thing assad could do to to turn the tide against him is use chemical weapons. And of all the attacks it's what 200 people? I just can't bring myself to understand why he would do something that stupid, is it for the extra intimidation factor of using chemicals rather than traditional weapons.

    Can someone explain like I'm 5 years old why he would make life more difficult for himself? He can pretty much bomb away traditionally to his hearts content, if he uses one chemical weapon he can expect cruise missiles and international scrutiny... he is just that dumb?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Steve3452 wrote: »
    Nobody gives a s*** about Russia people simply don't believe everything the media tells them.

    Got it. Don't believe the media, but believe the snide troll account on the internet. Also believe the Russian media.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    Steve3452 wrote: »
    Nobody gives a s*** about Russia people simply don't believe everything the media tells them.

    Is there overtime on a Sunday evening ? :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We talked about this The Lab in Gouta was investigated after the rebels pulled out and Syrian army moved in. Independent journalists in the Middle East.

    By sputnik news and pro asaad bloggers claiming to be renowned independent journalists

    Terrible


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Huh?

    While the organisation which eventually morphed into ISIL existed before the Syrian Civil War (and was a product of vacuum of power left in the wake of Saddam's toppling), it was the Syrian civil war that left vast swathes of Syria under the loose control of rebel groups that set the stage for the strongest contender to gain dominance over all of central and eastern Syria.... and that strongest contender was ISIL.

    Whilst I'm all for Assad's stranglehold on the country being loosened somewhat, actually destabalising the government of Syria has had very disastrous consequences for the entire region. It was just with a bit of luck, and the fortitude of some small groups, that ISIL didn't get control of all of Iraq-Syria.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Steve3452 wrote: »
    People are simply questioning what they hear on the media they are sick of the constant lies and spins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Gatling wrote: »
    By sputnik news and pro asaad bloggers claiming to be renowned independent journalists

    Terrible

    Just because it's biased doesn't necessarily mean it's not true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Of course! It's definitely Gatling "promoting fake news" and not the brand new account ending in a string of random number that has seemingly just signed up so they can tell everyone that Syria is a false flag attack, glorious leader Putin is best leader and the western media is lying to you, but you should trust Sputnik News.

    I not sure that matters? Is the person using different accounts to write about the same thing or just one account?

    It clearly a false flag because Russia and Syria even Iran is winning the war they don't need to gas Syrian civilians. Only desperate and despicable people do that. Assad is actually a level-headed leader listen to him speak you notice his not as crazed as the west says he is. Saddam Hussein, you definitely could tell he was a tyrant a bad man.

    This is a full-on attack to isolate Russia globally the fact some of you people don't see this is truly puzzling to me. I don't know why some humans don't see the glaringly obvious?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,125 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Gatling wrote: »
    Trump just said Russia and Iran will be a "big price to play" for backing the use of chemical weapons by assad..


    Donald Trump has warned Russia and Iran there will be a "big price to pay" for backing the Syrian regime after a suspected chemical attack.

    The US President condemned as "mindless" and "SICK" reports of at least 70 people being killed, and a further 500 injured, in an alleged chlorine gas attack in the city of Douma in eastern Ghouta.

    Mr Trump tweeted: "Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...

    "....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!"

    But, but, I though Trump was Vladimir Putin's puppet? I mean, the American mainstream media assured, especially it's late night comedians, asserted as absolute fact that (among other things) Trump was Putin's "c**k holster".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    I not sure that matters? Is the person using different accounts to write about the same thing or just one account?

    It clearly a false flag because Russia and Syria even Iran is winning the war they don't need to gas Syrian civilians. Only desperate and despicable people do that. Assad is actually a level-headed leader listen to him speak you notice his not as crazed as the west says he is. Saddam Hussein, you definitely could tell he was a tyrant a bad man.

    This is a full-on attack to isolate Russia globally the fact some of you people don't see this is truly puzzling to me. I don't know why some humans don't see the glaringly obvious?

    Assad is ruthless, not mad. It makes absolutely zero sense for him to use chemical weapons in this situation. This isn't proof that he hasn't, but it does mean that there would have to be a very high burden of proof to show that he did.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Gatling wrote: »
    By sputnik news and pro asaad bloggers claiming to be renowned independent journalists

    Terrible

    Rubbish one of the journalists wrote for New York Times and Washington Post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    I don't know why some humans don't see the glaringly obvious?

    Because humans are stupid. Look at all the pain and suffering in the world and mostly down to the species greed for money or power. Human Race wont last much longer the way its going.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I not sure that matters?

    It clearly a false flag because Russia

    Every other post your claiming false flag ,false false false false while repeateding misinformation despite repeatedly called out for it .
    Deflection and lies
    And some say the Troll factory doesn't exist


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