Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

Fann Linn

vicwatson wrote: »

Rte lyric fm used the word “suggested” (chemical weapons were used)

An aid group associated with the rebels have laid the claims apparently.

Franz Von Peppercorn

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And we have liftoff!

No I’m agreeing with you. Only putinbots would think that the Isis or al nusra freedom fighters would use chemical weapons because they are losing. Obviously Assad did this because he is winning. The best thing now is for the freedom fighters of al nusra to take over Damascus and saved the oppressed Christians, Shia, and Alawites from the oppression of Assad.

Freedom! Go US!

Franz Von Peppercorn

We should in fact be even more wary of putinbots than we are. Putin is probably is behind the idea that Saddam didn’t have chemical weapons or that the Libyan dictator wasn’t in fact threatening genocide and that overthrowing him wasn’t a good idea.

The putinbots are everywhere. I check my bed for putinbots.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Gatling wrote: »

Trump just said Russia and Iran will be a "big price to play" for backing the use of chemical weapons by assad..


Donald Trump has warned Russia and Iran there will be a "big price to pay" for backing the Syrian regime after a suspected chemical attack.

The US President condemned as "mindless" and "SICK" reports of at least 70 people being killed, and a further 500 injured, in an alleged chlorine gas attack in the city of Douma in eastern Ghouta.

Mr Trump tweeted: "Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...

"....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!"

Hang on - trump is a Russian agent. Can we trust him? How come he’s angry with Russia now?

Could it be a ploy by putin to make trump seem angry with Putin?

Don’t trust anything. Putin controls the world.

Fann Linn

Getting silly now.

Creol1

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

We should in fact be even more wary of putinbots than we are. Putin is probably is behind the idea that Saddam didn’t have chemical weapons or that the Libyan dictator wasn’t in fact threatening genocide and that overthrowing him wasn’t a good idea.

The putinbots are everywhere. I check my bed for putinbots.

Good idea. I check behind the curtains and in the wardrobe too, just in case.

Creol1

Compare and contrast.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/982969547283161090

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373146637184401408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F4730219%2Fsyria-missile-attack-donald-trump-tweets%2F&tfw_site=TIME

Cheerful Spring

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Another awful story coming out of Syria. Chemical weapon used on civilians. Pictures of dead women and children. Seems to be a massive online war to control the narrative too. Doesn't seem to be any end to this proxy war between the US and Russia and only the innocent seem to be suffering.

http://www.thejournal.ie/douma-chemical-attack-3946716-Apr2018/

Russia predicted this weeks ago there would be a false flag event in Syria using chemical weapons looks like it happened.

Creol1

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

1) Its already far, far worse than Libya.

2) Assad is a mass murdering butcher and will be unable to secure the country without mass executions and torture if victorious.

1) Libya is in anarchy and is a failed state like Somalia with no effective government. Syria is not a failed state as most of the population is under govt control and the govt is still able to function -- in some places almost as normal -- in areas it controls.

2) Mass executions and torture are precisely how ISIS have been controlling their territories. When Aleppo was won back, there were no "mass executions".

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia predicted this weeks ago there would be a false flag event in Syria using chemical weapons looks like it happened.

While using their own chemical weapons in the UK in the Salisbury attack .
Remember it was russia who said they have no chemical weapons and neither does Assad but we've all seen otherwise

Mutant z

Which is worse Assad or ISIS because thats the choice on the table when given a choice its clesr which the Syrian citizens want its best for the USA and co think about that before they gung ho to bomb it again.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

While using their own chemical weapons in the UK in the Salisbury attack .
Remember it was russia who said they have no chemical weapons and neither does Assad but we've all seen otherwise

Russia warned us this was underway weeks ago the rebels would stage a new chemical weapons attack in Syria. Assad is winning the war he does need to use chemical weapons. Chemical weapons used increases the probability the US will act in Syria militarily. What scary here they not trying to hide false flags anymore.

March 13th
The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass.
It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

Fann Linn

Mutant z wrote: »

Which is worse Assad or ISIS because thats the choice on the table when given a choice its clesr which the Syrian citizens want its best for the USA and co think about that before they gung ho to bomb it again.

In light of what's going on in Iraq and Libya I'm sure there are plenty who would have Saddam and Ghadaffi back.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia warned us this was underway weeks ago the rebels would stage a new chemical weapons attack in Syria. Assad is winning the war he does need to use chemical weapons.

March 13th
The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass.
It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

The same russia again who have claimed that they have No chemical weapons but twice used them for assinations on UK soil ,
The same russia that has blocked every attempted investigations into the use of chemical weapons by the UN ,
So tell us more about how well you know Assad and know what he will do and what he won't do

Russian media sites-

laughing

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

The same russia again who have claimed that they have No chemical weapons but twice used them for assinations on UK soil ,
The same russia that has blocked every attempted investigations into the use of chemical weapons by the UN ,
So tell us more about how well you know Assad and know what he will do and what he won't do

Russian media sites-

laughing

Let's have a war with Russia how is this anyway good for the world? These shadowy people need to be stopped before they destroy us all.

President Kennedy warned us about these people decades ago.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

These shadowy people need to be stopped before they destroy us all.

I didn't ask about shadow men or lizards.

Actually would a chemical weapon attack in Syria take the current spot light off russia and their ongoing use of chemical weapons after the Salisbury attack ,
Its suits them perfectly doesn't it

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

I didn't ask about shadow men or lizards.

Actually would a chemical weapon attack in Syria take the current spot light off russia and their ongoing use of chemical weapons after the Salisbury attack ,
Its suits them perfectly doesn't it

Two US presidents warned us this would happen. People like you are just not listening to what was said.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Two US presidents

Back to the chemical weapons attack in Syria .

TheValeyard

Gringo180 wrote: »

Have I entered an alternate universe? The one I come from that was Americas job.

Nah, Russians have been at it for some time now, Georgia, Ukraine, Crimea, US Elections, Brexit, They have been undermining countries for years now.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That doesn't even answer the question.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

If you want Russia to pull out and Assad to fall, what's your alternative for the future of Syria?

U.N Mandated mission to create an alternative state

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

This mess wouldn't have spiraled out on control to the extent it did in the first place if the US had not intervened (it's quite similar to Russia backing separatists in Eastern Ukraine).

Assad was beat until Russia got involved. They caused the massive mess.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

This is not me saying I support Assad by the way - it's about having a realistic conversation about the future of Syria.

To be realistic Assad cannot stay, he is too hated by many people living there. He is a spent force, a stain.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Look at what happened in Iraq. The US's democracy project almost ended in total and utter failure despite the money spent and paper strength of the establishment -at the first watery, weak challenge to the central government.

Iraq was George Bushes and Dick Cheneys massive mess, looking for oil in the guise of weapons of mass destruction. This is completely different.

RandomName2 wrote: »

I fully support Assad and Russia in Syria. They are the only stable forces in the area. The US wants to destabilise the region and supported rebels to that effect (Al Qaeda, FSA, etc.). However, that hasn't panned out too well and they are backing Kurds. While I am all for backing the Kurds, America wants to still have the support of Turkey, and when the chips are down, the Kurds pay the price.

So you support a butcher and mass murderer? Nice to know. Russia has dragged this conflict out a lot longer than it needed to be.

RandomName2 wrote: »

The Damascus rebels are on their knees. Using conventional warfare Assad has eliminated almost all of their territory. Maybe he has sought to level the playing field by using chemical weapons at the 11th hour in order to give the rebels international support. :rolleyes:

Roll eyes all you want, Syrian State forces are stretched. Also, Assad might not have full control over his own troops, could be a rogue general. Simply other posters claiming false flag is the mantra of the tinfoil hat wearing paranoid keyboard warrior (not saying you personally)

RandomName2 wrote: »

Assad does not seem like a nice person. He is by all accounts a brutal dictator. But we should also be realistic instead of wanting to rebuild the middle east in our image. Assad's weakness created ISIL. Think about that.

How can the people of various provinces follow a man who has bombed them into the ground? Think about that.

Creol1 wrote: »

1) Libya is in anarchy and is a failed state like Somalia with no effective government. Syria is not a failed state as most of the population is under govt control and the govt is still able to function -- in some places almost as normal -- in areas it controls.

Syria is far worse than Libya at present. Syrian regime is only propped up by barrel bombs, Russian fire jets and foreign merch forces, raping and pillaging their way throughout Syrian territory.

Creol1 wrote: »

2) Mass executions and torture are precisely how ISIS have been controlling their territories. When Aleppo was won back, there were no "mass executions".

Why because RT said so? Yes there was, and once Russian TV crews go, many people vanish into Assads torture prisons.

Mutant z wrote: »

Which is worse Assad or ISIS because thats the choice on the table when given a choice its clesr which the Syrian citizens want its best for the USA and co think about that before they gung ho to bomb it again.

There is always another choice.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Russia warned us this was underway weeks ago the rebels would stage a new chemical weapons attack in Syria. Assad is winning the war he does need to use chemical weapons. Chemical weapons used increases the probability the US will act in Syria militarily. What scary here they not trying to hide false flags anymore.

March 13th
The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass.
It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

Hmm, yes, seems exactly what id to if my Allie or merch force might do something silly. Declare my enemy is planning to do it, so when it happens, blame them.

gw80

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

1) Its already far, far worse than Libya.

2) Assad is a mass murdering butcher and will be unable to secure the country without mass executions and torture if victorious.

I dont know about that, im not claiming to know evert thing that's going on in Syria, (does anyone) but over Easter, there was a report on ch4 about the rebels being bussed out, and then it cut to Christians celebrating Easter in Damascus, where they interviewed a woman at a church who was very westernized in her appearance, eg, make up, hair done up, casual dress, talking about how life was pretty much back to normal in Damascus. Is this what the Americans and the rebels are fighting against?

Cheerful Spring

The Vietnam war began when the White House in 1964 claimed 3 Vietnamese patrol boats attacked a US warship. President Johnson used this event to escalate the war in Vietnam. Today we know this event was a false flag it's a verifiable a historical fact.

Iraq WMD was another false flag fake evidence was masqueraded as the truth.

We know the joint chiefs of staff during Kennedy presidency tried to get the president to sign off on doing terrorist attacks inside the United States and blame it on the Cubans. They were not against killing Americans to start a war.

Operation Northwood plan does not look all that different to 9/11. It involved hijacking planes and using them as drones. If they had drone type technology in the 60's they had in 2001.

What happened in Salisbury and what happening in Syria clear as day are false flag events.For some reason, these shadowy people are looking for a war with Russia

TheValeyard

gw80 wrote: »

I dont know about that, im not claiming to know evert thing that's going on in Syria, (does anyone) but over Easter, there was a report on ch4 about the rebels being bussed out, and then it cut to Christians celebrating Easter in Damascus, where they interviewed a woman at a church who was very westernized in her appearance, eg, make up, hair done up, casual dress, talking about how life was pretty much back to normal in Damascus. Is this what the Americans and the rebels are fighting against?

No, its a select few of Assad supporter loyalists in central Damascus 'safe zone' Its great for TV, makes Assad look reasonable. Unlike Saydnaya prison, which is basically an extermination camp.

Barry Badrinath

gw80 wrote: »

I dont know about that, im not claiming to know evert thing that's going on in Syria, (does anyone) but over Easter, there was a report on ch4 about the rebels being bussed out, and then it cut to Christians celebrating Easter in Damascus, where they interviewed a woman at a church who was very westernized in her appearance, eg, make up, hair done up, casual dress, talking about how life was pretty much back to normal in Damascus. Is this what the Americans and the rebels are fighting against?

Thats Damascus city, controlled by the Syrian regime....relatively normal area with little conflict.

The area in the news today is a cluster of neighbourhoods known as Eastern Ghouta. Its about 15km north east of Damascus city and has been harbouring various rebel groups for a number of years.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

What happened in Salisbury and what happening in Syria clear as day are false flag events.For some reason, these shadowy people are looking for a war with Russia

Save it for the conspiracy forums only s few pgaes in a deflection , deflection , deflection

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Back to the chemical weapons attack in Syria .

Nazis were brought to America after the war thousands of them they got jobs in the US Military industrial complex. Von Braun was a Nazi scientist an SS major he ran their Nasa program.

TheValeyard

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nazis were brought to America after the war thousands of them they got jobs in the US Military industrial complex. Von Braun was a Nazi scientist an SS major he ran their Nasa program.

Whats that got to do with Syria?

Russia also had a fair few Nazi scientists.

Both sides collected them like Pokemon.

Cheerful Spring

Gatling wrote: »

Save it for the conspiracy forums only s few pgaes in a deflection , deflection , deflection

All those events I described are factual, not conspiracies

Cheerful Spring

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Whats that got to do with Syria?

Russia also had a fair few Nazi scientists.

Both sides collected them like Pokemon.

Everything America foreign policy went downhill since 1950's. America engaging in illegal activities worldwide.

TerrorFirmer

U.N Mandated mission to create an alternative state

That's a completely unrealistic suggestion in the context of the reality in Syria.

Assad was beat until Russia got involved. They caused the massive mess.

He was on the back foot because of external meddling and supply of weapons from you know who. Russia did not 'cause the mess'. Whatever their motives - I've no time for Putin - I still believe Russian intervention is key to a stable, peaceful Syria in the not too distant future.

What would the alternative have been? A failed state with armed warlords in every corner vying for power?

Iraq was George Bushes and Dick Cheneys massive mess, looking for oil in the guise of weapons of mass destruction. This is completely different.

That is completely and utterly missing the point. The point was that America deposed Saddam, created a 'democracy' and funneled astronomical amounts of funding into it - including billions into an army supplied with modern US weaponry and equipment.

At it's first minor hurdle it collapsed completely, unable to stand on its own legs at all, and only US intervention saved it from becoming a total farce.

To be realistic Assad cannot stay, he is too hated by many people living there. He is a spent force, a stain.

Actually Assad has reasonably strong levels of support. Obviously not all Syrian people support him - and didn't before all this began - but I think conservative estimates believe over 50-60% of the population do?

Why because RT said so? Yes there was, and once Russian TV crews go, many people vanish into Assads torture prisons.

Are you seriously trying to deny that opposition forces aren't guilty of horrific war crimes and atrocities? They absolutely are, and I'm not just talking about ISIS.

Also, it's hardly black or white or west versus east. It's hardly difficult to admit that Syrian forces are guilty of crimes whilst also accepting the opposition are as well.

Never ceases to amaze me how some people on boards seem to want to 'pick a side' like it's a competition.

Hmm, yes, seems exactly what id to if my Allie or merch force might do something silly. Declare my enemy is planning to do it, so when it happens, blame them.

Do you honestly believe that Russia isn't pulling the strings of Assad and the SAA?

The narrative being pushed is crazy - alleged chemical attacks, and within hours, before anything whatsoever can be discerned, the US is on the warpath claiming 'all options are on the table' and 'there'll be a big price to pay for Iran, Russia and Syria'.

Maybe it was the SAA. Maybe airstrikes hit an existing supply in rebel held territory. Maybe the rebels themselves did it. Who knows? But clearly the US is delighted at the chance to rattle the sabre around.

There is always another choice.

Yes...in theory. However we have to deal with reality here.

TheValeyard

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Everything America foreign policy went downhill since 1950's. America engaging in illegal activities worldwide.

Really? And the Russians have been a bastion of peace and progress?