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Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Vorenus400


    quintana76 wrote: »
    Did Dill really have any influence considering that she presented a minor programme on a Saturday night when no one was around. She was actually sacked for refusing to do her job until Hook was fired. Would still be very suspicious of Moncrieff considering his attitude to feminist subjects on his show. There also used to be a thinly discuised antipathy between them when Hook would hand over to Moncrieff after his lunchtime show.

    I cant imagine it was Sean, He has been around and is smart enough to know whoever started the letter would be in trouble with Newstalk. George is in pretty good with Dennis O Brien and got Ciara Kelly her gig in Newstalk.

    Id imagine it was someone more reactionary, maybe Chris O donoghue or someone who had an eye on another gig and wasnt afraid about losing their job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭UsedToWait


    Vorenus400 wrote: »
    Id imagine it was someone more reactionary, maybe Chris O donoghue or someone who had an eye on another gig and wasnt afraid about losing their job.

    Whatever happened to that guy?
    Last I heard he was Political Editor or some such, but I don't think I've heard him in a long time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Vorenus400


    UsedToWait wrote: »
    Whatever happened to that guy?
    Last I heard he was Political Editor or some such, but I don't think I've heard him in a long time?

    Got a Job with Simon Coveney.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/chris-donoghue-newstalk-3704239-Nov2017/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Vorenus400 wrote: »
    I cant imagine it was Sean, He has been around and is smart enough to know whoever started the letter would be in trouble with Newstalk. George is in pretty good with Dennis O Brien and got Ciara Kelly her gig in Newstalk.

    Id imagine it was someone more reactionary, maybe Chris O donoghue or someone who had an eye on another gig and wasnt afraid about losing their job.

    Was Sarah McInerney there at the time?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,022 ✭✭✭anthonyjmaher



    I remember a poster here claimed to have inside knowledge that GH wasn't well liked by lower tier staff in NT as he treated them poorly. One of my neighbours runs a restaurant that George frequents and she only has nice things to say about him.
    I did a bit of IT work in Newstalk years ago, contracted by another IT company. I didn't deal with George personally, but another one of our team did, and he certainly was every inch the difficult man that you would expect him to be. And particular given that it was IT stuff, where his starting position would be very frustrated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Conservative


    quintana76 wrote: »
    Did Dill really have any influence considering that she presented a minor programme on a Saturday night when no one was around. She was actually sacked for refusing to do her job until Hook was fired. Would still be very suspicious of Moncrieff considering his attitude to feminist subjects on his show. There also used to be a thinly discuised antipathy between them when Hook would hand over to Moncrieff after his lunchtime show.

    Don't think it was thinly disguised at all. There was no handover for about 6 months before Hooky got the boot and Moncrieff had a few digs at him on air.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,000 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Was Sarah McInerney there at the time?

    Yup but she wasn't a "long serving" presenter but she would have definitely signed the letter in a heart beat. My Money would have been on Chris or Sean. I wouldn't say Dill was the originator as she's much more of a passive protestor ie complaining from the sidelines, choosing not to do her show and taking cheap shots than actually putting her money where here mouth was so to speak by starting such a letter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,085 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    VinLieger wrote:
    Yup but she wasn't a "long serving" presenter but she would have definitely signed the letter in a heart beat. My Money would have been on Chris or Sean. I wouldn't say Dill was the originator as she's much more of a passive protestor ie complaining from the sidelines, choosing not to do her show and taking cheap shots than actually putting her money where here mouth was so to speak by starting such a letter.

    I wouldn't have thought Sean would have. He mightn't have gotten on with George but I'd say he'd understand the sentiment of what George was saying. No?

    And Sean would be very familiar with the wide and varied opinions that exist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Grolschevik


    Jesus. Can we have a Godwin's for Newstalk threads, with George and Dil instead of Nazis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    Jesus. Can we have a Godwin's for Newstalk threads, with George and Dil instead of Nazis?

    Apologies. We've been bored to death by Ciara Kelly so have had to return to this topic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 148 ✭✭GFish


    CatFromHue wrote: »

    She said her show, starting Monday, would have 8-10 callers from the public on the air each hour........... Jaysuz :eek:

    That sounds terrible.

    That sounds like Liveline which is why I "moved the dial".
    I'm moving to West Awake Radio.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,000 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    I wouldn't have thought Sean would have. He mightn't have gotten on with George but I'd say he'd understand the sentiment of what George was saying. No?

    And Sean would be very familiar with the wide and varied opinions that exist.

    Sean of the past maybe, I really did used to enjoy his show but he's become so self important I really cannot stand to listen to him constantly smelling his own farts and then looking for praise from his listeners for being so liberal and opened minded while he at the same time shuts down anything that goes against his own narrative of how he thinks the world should work


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Sean of the past maybe, I really did used to enjoy his show but he's become so self important I really cannot stand to listen to him constantly smelling his own farts and then looking for praise from his listeners for being so liberal and opened minded while he at the same time shuts down anything that goes against his own narrative of how he thinks the world should work

    The ego and intolerance of differing opinions was always there. It just seems to have escalated recently. It is almost as if he has gone on the defensive. Maybe he is getting too many texts disagreeing with his views and is not taking it well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭southstar


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Sean of the past maybe, I really did used to enjoy his show but he's become so self important I really cannot stand to listen to him constantly smelling his own farts and then looking for praise from his listeners for being so liberal and opened minded while he at the same time shuts down anything that goes against his own narrative of how he thinks the world should work[/QUOTE

    Guess you didn't like Hook either.. Just less liberal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,000 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    southstar wrote: »

    Guess you didn't like Hook either.. Just less liberal

    I used to listen to hook and ill admit i was forced to change the channel or turn off the radio in frustration many times however i could also enjoy getting angry at him because mostly my problems with him were due to him being an ignorant old fart who doesn't like anything new but is generally willing to listen to people with other opinions even if he disagrees.

    Moncrief on the other hand is a self important twat who as I said previously shuts down and ridicules anyone he disagrees with or that goes against his narrative of how the discussion should be progressing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,085 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    As always, I'm stunned at the level of dislike that is levelled at all presenters.
    Pat Kenny seems to be the only one who comes close to having an overall positive representation of followers according to online posts.
    Are they all truly hated or is there something about the online community to encourage negative posts much more than positive?

    If you were to read boards to form an opinion of media personalities and commentary in Ireland you'd be left with the impression that every show is terrible and nobody watches or listens anymore.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭i71jskz5xu42pb


    you'd be left with the impression that every show is terrible and nobody watches or listens anymore.

    They hate the shows/presenters but tune in religiously every day. Makes sense right?

    Seriously though, I think stuff that grinds people's gears is more likely to generate a response than a show/segment that people really enjoy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    They hate the shows/presenters but tune in religiously every day. Makes sense right?

    Seriously though, I think stuff that grinds people's gears is more likely to generate a response than a show/segment that people really enjoy.

    No they don't tune in every day. Read the comments above before you express preconceived opinions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,000 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    As always, I'm stunned at the level of dislike that is levelled at all presenters.
    Pat Kenny seems to be the only one who comes close to having an overall positive representation of followers according to online posts.
    Are they all truly hated or is there something about the online community to encourage negative posts much more than positive?

    If you were to read boards to form an opinion of media personalities and commentary in Ireland you'd be left with the impression that every show is terrible and nobody watches or listens anymore.

    Ivan and Chris were great in the morning, moncrief used to be good but has gotten too used to smelling his own farts, hook was enjoyable to get angry at, wooden pat is an old reliable and inoffensive is probably the best thing you could say about him, Tom Dunne was way better than pat in that mid morning slot in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Vorenus400


    They hate the shows/presenters but tune in religiously every day. Makes sense right?

    Seriously though, I think stuff that grinds people's gears is more likely to generate a response than a show/segment that people really enjoy.

    I think this is true for certain shows. The lunchtime show on Newstalk has always been like this. Jonathan Healy was terrible, Hook was mostly terrible and Ciara Kelly is terrible on her own. The slot seems to be about getting people to text in or tweet. The presenters who have shown themselves capable on other shows now make broad sweeping statements that are full of holes. I think the slot seems to be there to generate controversy

    I would almost be forgiving of the presenters and think that they are encouraged to get people angry so they will take part in the "Discussion."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Very often when I jump in my car at lunchtime and start the engine, I get a quick blast of Ciara Kelly before turning off. Again today it was some women VS men nonsense. Does it ever get old? What a damn bore.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    As always, I'm stunned at the level of dislike that is levelled at all presenters.
    Pat Kenny seems to be the only one who comes close to having an overall positive representation of followers according to online posts.
    Are they all truly hated or is there something about the online community to encourage negative posts much more than positive?

    If you were to read boards to form an opinion of media personalities and commentary in Ireland you'd be left with the impression that every show is terrible and nobody watches or listens anymore.

    I think the level of dislike displayed in threads like this is justified. I think a lot of people are fed up listening to the same bleeding heart, feminist pc crap that infests the minds of most presenters. Pat Kenny does a decent job of hiding his bias because he is a proper journalist who hasn't mistaken that once great trade for activism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I think the level of dislike displayed in threads like this is justified. I think a lot of people are fed up listening to the same bleeding heart, feminist pc crap that infests the minds of most presenters. Pat Kenny does a decent job of hiding his bias because he is a proper journalist who hasn't mistaken that once great for activism.
    Maybe people should vote with their dials and listen to people who don't have infested minds. If there are so many of you, then there should be no problem finding commercially viable alternative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭quintana76


    The problem is that despite the presenters original collective brief being to entertain, inform and to provide balance it has become secondary to pushing a particular agenda.
    All balance seems to have being lost in order to further the liberal/leftist/uber feminist viewpoint.
    Matt Cooper has only relatively recently picked up the acute version of the bug. (Moncrieff was bitten at birth).
    The listeners seem to be a secondary afterthought despite commercial considerations in pursuit of this worldview.
    It provides for terrible radio and from anecdotal evidence suggests they are losing a lot of listeners as people don't want to be force fed ideological bulls*** when they just want information. They are also overwhelming moderate in their views and extremist and utopian doctrines (though trendy in certain circles) are a big turn off (literally).
    Pat Kenny doesn't get criticised much because he is generally balanced (despite some Trump derangement syndrome), professional and does his research.
    Pity about the rest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,201 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    I think the level of dislike displayed in threads like this is justified.

    Fully justified.

    The insurrection in Newstalk V Hook and the overly PC nonsense at the station in general is endemic of social morays now, I think.

    Hook, who - unlike others - I always liked, was run out of town by screeching feminists and liberal loons who didnt care to understand the context of what he was talking about and only heard what they wanted to hear - 'George thinks rape is a womans own fault'. That is patently not what he was saying. He was saying, take care of yourself, be careful, there are bad people about.

    I think his comments (personal responsibility), while ill-communicated, were not malicous. Hook clearly adores women and does not look down on them or consider them to be 'less able' than men in any way. See his championing of Kelly, his oft mentioned regret at not being a better son to his mother and his placing of Ingrid on a pedestal.

    I think the situation that led to his firing is relevant in the context of the media storm and protests concerning the recent Belfast rape trial.

    Seems to me the jury ultimately decided that the woman was not raped, but rather put herself in a horrible situation which she later regretted. e.g. she had to take responsibility for her actions - it was a seedy, sordid affair, but it wasnt rape.

    I release I may get hammered for this. Society is getting increasingly shrill on all these issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,085 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I think the level of dislike displayed in threads like this is justified. I think a lot of people are fed up listening to the same bleeding heart, feminist pc crap that infests the minds of most presenters. Pat Kenny does a decent job of hiding his bias because he is a proper journalist who hasn't mistaken that once great for activism.

    So why keep listening? That's what confuses me.
    Anyway, that is all off topic from this thread I suppose to be fair.


    Ciara is back this week. I didn't much of her two shows so far (I expected the conversation around consent classes would tick me off somewhat, so I moved the dial for a bit :D) but she certainly doesn't seem affected by any challenges in progress.


    Just heard her asking "Are we allowed say the name of the company?" She's being cautious. I wonder why ;).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Maybe people should vote with their dials and listen to people who don't have infested minds. If there are so many of you, then there should be no problem finding commercially viable alternative.

    I'm making the point that when it comes to presenters' opinions on various topics, there is always a groupthink consensus as to what the correct opinion is to hold. Take the Paddy Jackson trial. From what I heard you would swear the accused' had been found guilty such was the one-sided nature of the discussions. This turns a lot of people off. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy listening to the radio. Many presenters are engaging and interesting, and being a current affairs junkie I wouldn't be able to go a day without listening.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    quintana76 wrote: »
    The problem is that despite the presenters original collective brief being to entertain, inform and to provide balance it has become secondary to pushing a particular agenda.
    All balance seems to have being lost in order to further the liberal/leftist/uber feminist viewpoint.
    Matt Cooper has only relatively recently picked up the acute version of the bug. (Moncrieff was bitten at birth).
    The listeners seem to be a secondary afterthought despite commercial considerations in pursuit of this worldview.
    It provides for terrible radio and from anecdotal evidence suggests they are losing a lot of listeners as people don't want to be force fed ideological bulls*** when they just want information. They are also overwhelming moderate in their views and extremist and utopian doctrines (though trendy in certain circles) are a big turn off (literally).
    Pat Kenny doesn't get criticised much because he is generally balanced (despite some Trump derangement syndrome), professional and does his research.
    Pity about the rest.

    Great summation. Couldn't agree more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    I'm making the point that when it comes to presenters' opinions on various topics, there is always a groupthink consensus as to what the correct opinion is to hold. Take the Paddy Jackson trial. From what I heard you would swear the accused' had been found guilty such was the one-sided nature of the discussions. This turns a lot of people off. That doesn't mean that I don't enjoy listening to the radio. Many presenters are engaging and interesting, and being a current affairs junkie I wouldn't be able to go a day without listening.
    Which is fair enough but if so many people are turned off certain type of presenter surely commercial radio stations would tap in to that cohort. Or maybe it's just a particular type of listener that shouts about feminazis every time they hear woman on radio and are actually not enough of them to produce radio targeted at them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Which is fair enough but if so many people are turned off certain type of presenter surely commercial radio stations would tap in to that cohort. Or maybe it's just a particular type of listener that shouts about feminazis every time they hear woman on radio and are actually not enough of them to produce radio targeted at them.

    "Or maybe it's just a particular type of listener that shouts about feminazis every time they hear woman on radio and are actually not enough of them to produce radio targeted at them"

    That's a childish slur against people who are merely pointing out the one-sided ideological view that dominates Irish radio. Most people are easygoing and just listen to RTE radio etc so listenership figures probably aren't affected, and a new conservative station probably wouldn't draw a signifigant listenership.


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