Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

Vorenus400

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She was one of the people who signed a letter to newstalk management that demanded action on George iirc.

Any evidence on this? It would be amazing and headline news if true. After the letter he stopped thanking his production team . I always assumed the signantories were behind the scenes people. The ones who actually have to work with the talent

Vorenus400

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Who's they?

Pat Kenny spoke out strongly in his favour. If Ivan had been on the radio at the time, I very much think he would have done the same.

Pat kenny spoke out once in his favour. He called him a controversialist.Look it up, it isnt a great complement After that he said nothing. Ciara was the only one who kept his name up yet she is being condemned for it. She should be taken down for being a poor presenter yet people want her to have betrayed George. Her and George are good friends. There is no evidence to show any difference. Dont hey both live in leafy fox rock

Tell me how

Vorenus400 wrote:

Pat kenny spoke out once in his favour. He called him a controversialist.Look it up, it isnt a great complement After that he said nothing. Ciara was the only one who kept his name up yet she is being condemned for it. She should be taken down for being a poor presenter yet people want her to have betrayed George. Her and George are good friends. There is no evidence to show any difference. Dont hey both live in leafy fox rock

I don't know what point you are making here but I'm sure it's something about you being right, me wrong.

Read the thread, most comments are about her style in presenting. George was mentioned as an aside, which is relevant in the circumstances.

Vorenus400

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I don't know what point you are making here but I'm sure it's something about you being right, me wrong.

Read the thread, most comments are about her style in presenting. George was mentioned as an aside, which is relevant in the circumstances.

I agree about her presenting, I am not a fan. But George made her a star. Her and George are entangled. She would never be a star without george. But it is undeniable that she is the only one who stuck by him. Lots of People want her to have taken down george because she is liberal but she stuck by him before anyone.

Its not a right or wrong issue but alot of people want Ciara Kelly condemnded over the George Hook issue over her poor presenting.

ButtersSuki

Vorenus400 wrote: »

I agree about her presenting, I am not a fan. But George made her a star. Her and George are entangled. She would never be a star without george. But it is undeniable that she is the only one who stuck by him. Lots of People want her to have taken down george because she is liberal but she stuck by him before anyone.

Its not a right or wrong issue but alot of people want Ciara Kelly condemnded over the George Hook issue over her poor presenting.

Please read my previous post before you post any more on this topic; or better still, read the entire thread and the thread on Hook’s show post the responsibility comment to the termination of the show. At this stage I don’t honestly know if you’re just incredibly mis/uninformed or trolling.

Vorenus400

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Please read my previous post before you post any more on this topic; or better still, read the entire thread and the thread on Hook’s show post the responsibility comment to the termination of the show. At this stage I don’t honestly know if you’re just incredibly mis/uninformed or trolling.

You referred to someone elses post before replying. Are you someome who wants people to read the entire thread before having any opinion,
?
Do I have to have read every opinion on this subject to post an opinion?

Seems very ****ed up?

YFlyer

She ribbed into George the week after he was fired (demoted). She basically laughed at a male guess when he said men go through mental issues. As fake as fcuk.

YFlyer

Vorenus400 wrote: »

I actually thought she was doing the complete opposite. Someone had to be seen to take George down in public. If they had been smart, they would have got Pat Kenny to do it or on tv Matt Cooper/Ivan Yates to do it.

Bobby did mention about it.

ButtersSuki

Vorenus400 wrote: »

You referred to someone elses post before replying. Are you someome who wants people to read the entire thread before having any opinion,
?
Do I have to have read every opinion on this subject to post an opinion?

Seems very ****ed up?

No, you’re entitled to have your own opinion - no matter how ill-informed it is.

Reading the whole of the two threads I mentioned would arm you with the facts and the fuller information that you are clearly lacking in this subject, but you seem to have made your mind up and are happy with your position on this so why do such a thing? Ignorance is bliss.

anthonyjmaher

http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9_21234622_70_16-09-2017_
Above is the interview with Ciara Kelly on The Marian Finucane Show. In it she says that she did not sign the NT letter, and did not even see it. For those who think that she was very vocal in her support for George she says that she "The position that I took initially was that I said more or less nothing". Aside from the Monday show that she also references in this interview, where she said on air that she disagreed with him, said that he hurt a lot of people, and then proceeded to read out the rape crisis phone numbers.


She did not say all of those complimentary words on the Monday when he needed support. She berated him for what he said, was completely cold with him. She only said those complimentary words on this show, just after it had been announced that she was sitting in for George for the next week (temporarily at that stage, but made permanent within the month). She also never addressed the stack of texts that Marian read out that were to the affect "How could you take over George's job, he was a friend?".

Also found it highly hypocritical of Finucane to reference George's "sexist" references to Pamela Anderson's boobs. She must not have seen the interview that Pamela Anderson did with her own station.

Hurrache

J Mysterio wrote: »

Not so. She will be asked to show there is evidence to her assertion that his treatment led to he father's death.

But is that the reason for him suing her? I didn't realise that, I thought they were 2 different for some reason.

J Mysterio

Hurrache wrote: »

But is that the reason for him suing her?

You would assume so, yes. The man is a professional doctor, Kelly said his treatmet effectively killed her father.

meeeeh

Tell me how wrote: »

Who's they?

Pat Kenny spoke out strongly in his favor. If Ivan had been on the radio at the time, I very much think he would have done the same.

Ivan was on the radio at the time. He condemned what Hook said but also pointed out Hook apologized for it. Hi reaction was perfectly ok similar to Ciara Kelly's and similar to a lot of other people who knew Hook's were completely wrong but didn't want them to be blown out of proportion. I didn't hear all the reaction but if anything C. Kelly defended Hook more.

Frankly some should build a bridge and get over it. What Hook said was wrong and it damaged the station. Maybe he didn't deserve to loose his slot but his program also wasn't that good and his numbers not particularly high to make the hassle of keeping him in that slot worthwhile.

Sleeper12

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Who's they?

Pat Kenny spoke out strongly in his favour. If Ivan had been on the radio at the time, I very much think he would have done the same.

I'd like to point out that Pat Kenny, Like Ciara, said that George was wrong in what he said. Everyone that "stuck" up for George said he was wrong.

Pat, like Ciara, came out very strongly for George. Infact she came out even more strongly in favor of George. She appealed for people to let the man alone & pointed out that his family was suffering

I don't get this. George messed up. Not Ciara. Not Pat. Not Ivan. George was trying to suggest that there should be personal responsibility. The posters that think he was right also feel that George has no personal responsibility in this whole mess. It is his mess. How anyone can agree with personal responsibility & then blame Ciara, the media etc is totally beyond me.

George has personal responsibility in this. Can we not move on from this argument. It's ancient history at this stage.This thread seems to be more about belittling Ciara that discussing what goes on in the show each day.

Personally I think at times she terrible at times & brilliant at times.

anthonyjmaher

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Personally I think at times she terrible at times & brilliant at times.

I would agree with half of that statement.
Was there anything said about the story on the show today?

Del.Monte

She was 'missing' again today....

ligerdub

Not to open up an old argument here, but in what sense can we say that Hook was categorically "wrong"? I mean he was no doubt blunt, potentially callous and attacking the wrong person first, but his overall comment was not exactly absolutely incorrect. If more people followed his advice then there would be far fewer incidents of violence and sexually motivated attacks on both men and women. Put it this way, it's the sort of advice that a parent would generally wish their kids to follow in my opinion, and nobody wants you not to fall victim to such an incident more so than your parents and loved ones.

Also, to what extent, and from where did the backlash come from? How many of his listeners found his comments unacceptable? I'd imagine the bulk of the complaints came from people who were massively against his show and his opinions to begin with. If I listen to George Hook and somebody else, for example Matt Cooper, (a guy who I can't stand and try to avoid as best I can) makes a mistake and is called out on it, am I entitled to jump in and call for him to step down? Well yes, but is it a fair method to remove someone from their post? No. Let the listener numbers dictate the service and who does the job! He didn't slander anyone.

Let's take that example to the current presenter. If her numbers are down and it's clear people just don't like her show then the guys at Newstalk should let her go and find somebody else who will do a better job. Don't get me wrong, I don't like her, and I especially dislike her views and her method of delivery and childish behaviour, but I wouldn't want her fired for her opinions, and as a non-listener I don't think it would be right for someone like me to deprive people who do like her show, of tuning in. Her employers might decided that she's a risk of litigation and from that point of view might be best advised to get rid of her, so be it, but I'd much rather hear them base a decision on the basic merits of her ability to do the job.

Tell me how

^^^

The George Argument has been done to death and is relevant here only in that another Newstalk presenter is in hot water once again with respect to what they said on air.

I don't think anyone is calling for her to be removed as a result of the claim made against her (which is unproven to this point).

There is generally a trend on all such threads on boards to castigate the presenter, more than support them, Liveline, Ray Darcy, Ciara, Marion Funicane, they all follow a similar pattern.

Like you, I am not a massive fan of Ciara but I would go far as saying she's not terrible, just not my cup of tea so much. I listen occasionally but don't go out of my way to catch the show or avoid it.

i71jskz5xu42pb

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The George Argument has been done to death

Indeed, people covering the same old ground here again, I think we all know which side of that argument we sit on at this stage.

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Was there anything said about the story on the show today?

Do you think they'll do a slot on a court case they are involved in???

ButtersSuki

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'd like to point out that Pat Kenny, Like Ciara, said that George was wrong in what he said. Everyone that "stuck" up for George said he was wrong.

Pat, like Ciara, came out very strongly for George. Infact she came out even more strongly in favor of George. She appealed for people to let the man alone & pointed out that his family was suffering

I don't get this. George messed up. Not Ciara. Not Pat. Not Ivan. George was trying to suggest that there should be personal responsibility. The posters that think he was right also feel that George has no personal responsibility in this whole mess. It is his mess. How anyone can agree with personal responsibility & then blame Ciara, the media etc is totally beyond me.

George has personal responsibility in this. Can we not move on from this argument. It's ancient history at this stage.This thread seems to be more about belittling Ciara that discussing what goes on in the show each day.

Personally I think at times she terrible at times & brilliant at times.

Can you please tell me about one (even just one) time she has been as you say "brilliant" covering any topic? Genuinely curious. If you could detail the subject matter and an approximate date so I can go back and listen and judge for myself? I've given her plenty of chances but she hasn't even been average at best anytime I've listened to her.

quintana76

Her listening figures will be interesting. I amongst a lot of others (from anecdotal sources) have stopped listening. The question is are we being replaced by a new demographic. It seems they are going full on for a female majority listenership. Will it work unlike the more wider appeal of Hook?. Time will tell.

ButtersSuki

quintana76 wrote: »

Her listening figures will be interesting. I amongst a lot of others (from anecdotal sources) have stopped listening. The question is are we being replaced by a new demographic. It seems they are going full on for a female majority listenership. Will it work unlike the more wider appeal of Hook?. Time will tell.

I don't think you can fairly judge anyone on one book (JNLR), and esp. the first one after a change in presenter. The 2nd, 3rd and 4th books are usually more interesting and telling of where the show is going audience wise. I'm also not sure when her show started - was it mid-book etc.?

That said, Paul Williams and NT Breakfast gained listeners in the last book!

Sleeper12

ButtersSuki wrote:

Can you please tell me about one (even just one) time she has been as you say "brilliant" covering any topic? Genuinely curious. If you could detail the subject matter and an approximate date so I can go back and listen and judge for myself? I've given her plenty of chances but she hasn't even been average at best anytime I've listened to her.

First time she really supprised me was when she defended George believe it or not. It was the Marion Finucane interview. Granted she was being interviewed rather than interviewing someone. She was able to put me (in my head) in George's shoes. I was genuinely chocked up thinking of the hate mail he was getting & how his family was suffering for his mistake. No one else defending George had that effect on me. That is her skill imo

Other times I thought she was brilliant at putting me in shoes of abuse & rape victims.
Again she can do that with me more so than any other interviewer.

She rectified the damage that George did with the hatchet job on the vaccine for teenage girls. There may be a girl with cancer or possibly a death due to the nonsense George produced on the subject.

I don't think she can handle politics at all. I loved listening to her with George. He had her rolling on the floor laughing at times. I rarely hear her genuinely laugh on her own show.

I can mention plenty of times I thought her terrible but I usually try focus on the positive in life. Gerry Ryan, RIP, is my favourite rodio personality of all time. He's almost a rodio god imo but at times he could annoy the hell out of me. No one gets it right all the time

Conservative

Pretty sure there was just an ad for "Lunchtime Live" without any mention of Ciara Kelly.

DickSwiveller

Conservative wrote: »

Pretty sure there was just an ad for "Lunchtime Live" without any mention of Ciara Kelly.

It's getting interesting. If she was sacked, I wonder who they'd get to replace her.

Conservative

Seems very petty if I heard it right. Surely you don't play the ad if that's the case..

anthonyjmaher

Milan Curved Madman wrote: »

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The George Argument has been done to death

Indeed, people covering the same old ground here again, I think we all know which side of that argument we sit on at this stage.

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Was there anything said about the story on the show today?

Do you think they'll do a slot on a court case they are involved in???

Given the childish and irresponsible nature of her initial comments, I'm not actually sure that this is something that would be beyond her.

anthonyjmaher

Sleeper12 wrote: »

She rectified the damage that George did with the hatchet job on the vaccine for teenage girls. There may be a girl with cancer or possibly a death due to the nonsense George produced on the subject.

I'm sorry but this typical of the way that people use a subject as a stick to beat an unpopular person over the head with. None of George's daughters are of the age to get the HPV, so he has no skin in the game. He was simply acting as a conduit for the messages of parents with kids who had been damaged by the vaccine. My point on this has always been - Why are people not targeting George Hook on this issue. Why are they not targeting Jonathan Irwin? Is it just easier to attack George Hook because he is unpopular, rather than Jonathan Irwin who would be very popular (given the nature of his organisation).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeP-eIyibQM

As soon as Newstalk found out that Jonathan Irwin was friends with Pat Hickey, they got him on to discuss that. But they never had him on to discuss what happened with his daughter. Why? Maybe because it was easier for them to say that all people who claim to have a problem with the HPV are "nutjobs" like George Hook, rather than listen to a highly respected businessman and father speaking about his problems with the HPV? I always get worried when the Government departments put their hands over their ears and shout "you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong".

quintana76

DickSwiveller wrote: »

It's getting interesting. If she was sacked, I wonder who they'd get to replace her.

What about Dil Whatshername. We have missed her pearls of wisdom for far too long.

Sleeper12

anthonyjmaher wrote:

I'm sorry but this typical of the way that people use a subject as a stick to beat an unpopular person over the head with. None of George's daughters are of the age to get the HPV, so he has no skin in the game. He was simply acting as a conduit for the messages of parents with kids who had been damaged by the vaccine. My point on this has always been - Why are people not targeting George Hook on this issue. Why are they not targeting Jonathan Irwin? Is it just easier to attack George Hook because he is unpopular, rather than Jonathan Irwin who would be very popular (given the nature of his organisation).

You do know that no kids were damaged from the vaccine? The same percentage of teenage girls suffer from the same condition with or without the vaccine.