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Grand National 2018

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭madmoose


    Bellshill stands out at the foot of the weights, needs a long trip imo


  • Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭Niallers87


    i thinkn American would love a flat track like Aintree; anyone know what frys intention is with him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Tiger Roll at 50s looks tasty - presumably Cheltenham dependent and/or they opt to go to Fairyhouse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,775 ✭✭✭✭kfallon


    Bellshill and Pleasant Company would be my 2 early fancies.

    With Blacklion due to run the weights can only go up 4lb at most


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    Niallers87 wrote: »
    i thinkn American would love a flat track like Aintree; anyone know what frys intention is with him?
    Needs soft. Unlikely he'll get that at Aintree.

    Anybody going to it? I've done Cheltenham the last 3 years and doing Aintree this year. Looking forward to it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 809 ✭✭✭Earendil


    The Mig wrote: »
    Needs soft. Unlikely he'll get that at Aintree.

    Anybody going to it? I've done Cheltenham the last 3 years and doing Aintree this year. Looking forward to it.

    It's brilliant. Went last year. The Friday was fantastic and the city is a great night out post racing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Doing Chelt again this year - may opt for GN next year mind you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭abarkie


    Earendil wrote: »
    It's brilliant. Went last year. The Friday was fantastic and the city is a great night out post racing.

    The Thursday card is possibly the best day's racing for jumps in the year

    More graded races than any other meeting

    Used to go the Thursday and Friday, but the Friday is a bit too much non racing activity nowadays, good if like looking at ladies though :D

    Great day and night out though

    Thoroughly recommended and the Queen Mother Stand has one of the best views in racing, in my opinion


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭maximo31


    Bet365 and Sky bet NRNB on this already so might be a few decent prices to be had.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭abarkie


    maximo31 wrote: »
    Bet365 and Sky bet NRNB on this already so might be a few decent prices to be had.

    Expect the prices to start to change about 830pm tonight for the racing post download people getting ahead of others


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    My current shortlist are Cause Of CausesTiger Roll, Children's List, Warriors Tale and Vyta Du Roc.

    Tiger Roll is small, same with Cause Of Causes but small horses aren't inconvenienced by Aintree as much as people might think. Another example of a small horse running well is Sunnyhill Boy. Both are by flat sires as well.

    Tiger Roll is a massive price knowing he'll go there after Chaltenham. 

    Children's List is unexposed. He's had too few races over fences to expect him to go this year but wouldn't like to let him run here without backing him.

    Warriors Tale is progressing nicely, he's consistent and recently had his highest RPR performance. He'll go on any ground If I'm not mistaken he's just been bought by Trevor Hemmings. Not yet totally convinced of his stamina but no real doubts either.

    Vyta Du Roc has had colic two weeks ago and is up against it to get to Aintree, but if he got there I'd be having a bet on him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    Grand National

    Silsol
    . He runs tomorrow at Haydock and i think he will run well. 100/1 is too big with ladbrokes and coral. I don't think he is totally dependent on soft ground as he has plenty y of class form on good over hurdles. He should just about get in but if he doesn't it.ll be money back

    1 Point EW 100/1 5 places Ladbrokes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    I backed Noble Endeavor at 33s 6 places after the weights were published.

    Has not run since the Irish Grand National,a run is not as important nowdays but i would like to see him get a spin over hurdles before the big day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    I’ve been an Arbre De Vie fan for years, always thought a distance & good ground will suit, would of been placed in the 4 miler last year. He’s got no weight but that’s probably a negative, he’s #80 in the weights. Fairyhouse it might have to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    Nulty wrote: »
    My current shortlist are Cause Of CausesTiger Roll, Children's List, Warriors Tale and Vyta Du Roc.

    Tiger Roll is small, same with Cause Of Causes but small horses aren't inconvenienced by Aintree as much as people might think. Another example of a small horse running well is Sunnyhill Boy. Both are by flat sires as well.

    Tiger Roll is a massive price knowing he'll go there after Chaltenham. 

    Children's List is unexposed. He's had too few races over fences to expect him to go this year but wouldn't like to let him run here without backing him.

    Warriors Tale is progressing nicely, he's consistent and recently had his highest RPR performance. He'll go on any ground If I'm not mistaken he's just been bought by Trevor Hemmings. Not yet totally convinced of his stamina but no real doubts either.

    Vyta Du Roc has had colic two weeks ago and is up against it to get to Aintree, but if he got there I'd be having a bet on him.

    Small snippet from Nichols in the post that day regarding Warriors Tale, isn’t sure he’ll stay.


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭Bangor Billy


    I backed Noble Endeavor at 33s 6 places after the weights were published.

    Has not run since the Irish Grand National,a run is not as important nowdays but i would like to see him get a spin over hurdles before the big day.
    New rule this year - to run in the National a horse must have run in a chase this season. So currently Nobel Endeavour isn't qualified and a run over hurdles won't get him in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    New rule this year - to run in the National a horse must have run in a chase this season. So currently Nobel Endeavour isn't qualified and a run over hurdles won't get him in.

    So lets hope he gets a run though the only entry i see is the Irish G N.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Nulty wrote: »
    My current shortlist are Cause Of CausesTiger Roll, Children's List, Warriors Tale and Vyta Du Roc.

    Tiger Roll is small, same with Cause Of Causes but small horses aren't inconvenienced by Aintree as much as people might think. Another example of a small horse running well is Sunnyhill Boy. Both are by flat sires as well.

    Tiger Roll is a massive price knowing he'll go there after Chaltenham. 

    Children's List is unexposed. He's had too few races over fences to expect him to go this year but wouldn't like to let him run here without backing him.

    Warriors Tale is progressing nicely, he's consistent and recently had his highest RPR performance. He'll go on any ground If I'm not mistaken he's just been bought by Trevor Hemmings. Not yet totally convinced of his stamina but no real doubts either.

    Vyta Du Roc has had colic two weeks ago and is up against it to get to Aintree, but if he got there I'd be having a bet on him.
    Vyta Du Roc has been taken out and I've decided not to back Warriors Tale.

    Got good prices on the rest.
    That last one I'll back before the day is Captain Redbeard. I've actually staked more on him than any of the others. I like his profile, he has the pedigree to go the distance, he got course experience on heavy ground in the Sefton in December, he's being targeted at the race, he's in brilliant form winning his hurdles prep race at Ayr before Cheltenham. His run in the Sefton was satisfactory having jumped well but getting hampered jumping the 4th last and making a mistake after that. He's been campaigned well for a Grand National prospect and is peaking at just the right time. He's a massive 100/1 and the only concern is class.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Staying loyal to my Gold Cup pick and will be taking some of Minella Rocco at 20s


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭madmoose


    Main two would be;

    Tiger Roll & Minella Rocco

    Outsiders

    As de Mee 80/1 365
    Captain Redbeard 100/1
    Warriors Tale 50/1


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Couldnt have totall recall after the GC
    will it even run
    could be bolixed after that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    New rule this year - to run in the National a horse must have run in a chase this season. So currently Nobel Endeavour isn't qualified and a run over hurdles won't get him in.

    Thanks for that, in a genuine way.It is a bit peculiar though that the "fab four" i.e zimmermania haters thank your post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,544 ✭✭✭droidman123


    Thanks for that, in a genuine way.It is a bit peculiar though that the "fab four" i.e zimmermania haters thank your post.

    Theres actually a "fab five" one of them didnt thank the post yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    Done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭abarkie


    New rule this year - to run in the National a horse must have run in a chase this season. So currently Nobel Endeavour isn't qualified and a run over hurdles won't get him in.

    Odd one this - Certainly haven't seen it publicised

    What dates does it apply from - for the dates of a chase I mean

    So weights come out in Feb and as long as pre National it has had one run over chase or is it pre weights coming out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭abarkie


    Thanks for that, in a genuine way.It is a bit peculiar though that the "fab four" i.e zimmermania haters thank your post.

    Certainly not a Zimmermania hater here

    Keep up the posts

    Vicente is my initial thought for the National - but I did say that last year and look what happened!


  • Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭Bangor Billy


    abarkie wrote: »
    New rule this year - to run in the National a horse must have run in a chase this season. So currently Nobel Endeavour isn't qualified and a run over hurdles won't get him in.

    Odd one this - Certainly haven't seen it publicised

    What dates does it apply from  - for the dates of a chase I mean

    So weights come out in Feb and as long as pre National it has had one run over chase or is it pre weights coming out?

    Has to have one chase run before 9th April ( 5 day decs date). Seeyouatmidnight met the qualification by running yesterday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,380 ✭✭✭STB.


    So lets hope he gets a run though the only entry i see is the Irish G N.

    Noble Edeavour is injured and has been since the end of February.

    He wont be going to either. Mala Beach is Jones horse for the national.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭zimmermania


    Theres actually a "fab five" one of them didnt thank the post yet

    As long as being part of a mutual admiration society makes you all happy that is fine by me,a modest bunch with lots to be modest about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭convert


    As long as being part of a mutual admiration society makes you all happy that is fine by me,a modest bunch with lots to be modest about.

    Be nice.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    if the ground comes up soft-ish you would have to think Bellshill has a huge chance
    Hugely impressive yesterday, just found it that little bit too heavy eventually
    Best horse in the race by a distance

    Raz de Meree for value if the ground is heavy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,756 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    if the ground comes up soft-ish you would have to think Bellshill has a huge chance
    Hugely impressive yesterday, just found it that little bit too heavy eventually
    Best horse in the race by a distance

    Raz de Meree for value if the ground is heavy

    Surely Bellhill won't run so soon after yesterdays slog


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭faoile@n


    if the ground comes up soft-ish you would have to think Bellshill has a huge chance
    Hugely impressive yesterday, just found it that little bit too heavy eventually
    Best horse in the race by a distance

    Raz de Meree for value if the ground is heavy

    If for some bizarre reason Bellshill runs he has zero chance.

    He had a very hard race yesterday and didn't stay the Irish national anyways let alone the extra distance in Aintree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    faoile@n wrote: »
    If for some bizarre reason Bellshill runs he has zero chance.

    He had a very hard race yesterday and didn't stay the Irish national anyways let alone the extra distance in Aintree.

    I agree, if Bellshill runs again this season he may go for the Punchestown Gold Cup, just has to hack around & pick up some prize money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Raz De Maree and Baie Des Iles are the two I'd take on soft ground. I've backed Baie Des Isles at 66/1. She's a strong stayer and Ross O' Sullivan can prepare one. It's sure that Katie will ride and the horse is maturing. 6th in an Irish National, 5th in a Welsh National. She was never stopping suring any of those. Aintree has clearly been the plan all year.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭amadain


    WHO WINS ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    How about the ever-forgivable Buywise?
    I've lost my fair share of euro on him over the past few years but he's racing off 145 now and finished 12th off 151 in 2016. Older horses go well here and the softer the better. Has an each-way squeak I reckon, especially if theres a bookie offering 6 places on the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Rezident


    Another reason not to mainly use a defensive style like Juve: when you do concede an early goal your whole gameplan goes out the window in the third minute. Juve look good when they're a goal up but they don't look good chasing the game and having to score goals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    Rezident wrote: »
    Another reason not to mainly use a defensive style like Juve: when you do concede an early goal your whole gameplan goes out the window in the third minute. Juve look good when they're a goal up but they don't look good chasing the game and having to score goals.

    I doubt any of their players would be any use at Aintree either. :pac::pac::pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    When are final decs out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Slattsy wrote: »
    When are final decs out?

    "Five-day confirmations April 9, final declarations 10am April 12"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    How about the ever-forgivable Buywise?
    I've lost my fair share of euro on him over the past few years but he's racing off 145 now and finished 12th off 151 in 2016. Older horses go well here and the softer the better. Has an each-way squeak I reckon, especially if theres a bookie offering 6 places on the day.

    Its interesting that you say this, I am very much a trends and stats man and would have always had that as a starting point but I think the complexiomn of the race has changed in the past few years and looking at the last three years of the 12 placed horses only 2 were older than 10 and one of those was a horse that had previously placed in the race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    Had a proper look at this race yesterday and I'm pretty sure Gas Line Boy at 33/1 is the bet of the race.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,277 ✭✭✭danganabu


    FatRat wrote: »
    Had a proper look at this race yesterday and I'm pretty sure Gas Line Boy at 33/1 is the bet of the race.

    Havent seen or heard anything from the trainer but I suspect he will run in the Topham


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    I'm pretty sure I have the winner. But I'm not telling anyone. Because I'm not sure he'll run ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭pugw


    Nulty wrote: »
    Raz De Maree and Baie Des Iles are the two I'd take on soft ground. I've backed Baie Des Isles at 66/1. She's a strong stayer and Ross O' Sullivan can prepare one. It's sure that Katie will ride and the horse is maturing. 6th in an Irish National, 5th in a Welsh National. She was never stopping suring any of those. Aintree has clearly been the plan all year.
    Into 40/1 now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭FatRat


    danganabu wrote: »
    Havent seen or heard anything from the trainer but I suspect he will run in the Topham

    Why? He placed in this last year, not really any reason to not run again this year. Especially with the weight he is carrying


  • Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭handsfree2


    FatRat wrote: »
    Had a proper look at this race yesterday and I'm pretty sure Gas Line Boy at 33/1 is the bet of the race.

    He definitely has to be on the shortlist. He seems to be going better than ever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,966 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Nulty wrote: »
    Raz De Maree and Baie Des Iles are the two I'd take on soft ground. I've backed Baie Des Isles at 66/1. She's a strong stayer and Ross O' Sullivan can prepare one. It's sure that Katie will ride and the horse is maturing. 6th in an Irish National, 5th in a Welsh National. She was never stopping suring any of those. Aintree has clearly been the plan all year.

    Ruby Walsh has tipped up Baie Des Iles so expect them odds to be gone.


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