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Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    gozunda wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware he welcomes anyone to point out anything they believe to be incorrect with him directly.

    Maybe you should do so rather than throwing rabid accusations.

    He does like the idf. He likes them very very very much. Nothing accusatory there.

    And this discredits his blog how exactly?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Why did his dad allow him to go / send him to Egypt at the time ?

    How come the Dad did not go himself to look after the young fella ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    I'm finding the censorship and spin by both the media and on social media in relation to this case very alarming. The posts to discredit Mark Humphry's by appealing to an Irish sense of anti britishness and anti Israeli sentiment are also a real eye opener. Before reading this thread I wouldn't have believed this type of behaviour existed in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,131 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    Any of the print media doing an “exclusive” interview with him? Or has that already been done?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    smurgen wrote: »
    I'm finding the censorship and spin by both the media and on social media in relation to this case very alarming. The posts to discredit Mark Humphry's by appealing to an Irish sense of anti britishness and anti Israeli sentiment are also a real eye opener. Before reading this thread I wouldn't have believed this type of behaviour existed in Ireland.

    Are you not aware of the Shinners at all?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32 Vlad Kelly


    I'm a strong supporter of Islam in Ireland, but I must admit Mr Halawa came across as super douchey in this particularly interview, and one could delve deeply into some of his statements regarding the apparent suddenness of his political activities. His sisters are all 11s, and I support them in their case against the state at this moment, but I am waiting for more details to emerge about their brother at the moment. Unfortunately his LLS appearance did not advance their cause or his.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭littelady


    Sure arent they suing the irish state because of visa applications of their partners?

    They do appear very bitter, they got there brother back I think it's a disgrace for them to be suing the state. Their partners are not allowed residency im sure for a good reason so let them go abroad to their husbands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭emo72


    Thought the way tubridy framed the question, can't remember the exact phrasing though, "shall we start to dismiss the negative questions?" It's as if it was decided that everything negative was fake. Not really the ideal way to approach it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭littelady


    First Up wrote: »
    He went every year.

    I thought he said it was his first time in Egypt his father wanted him to go over and see it then go from there to Ibiza.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Are you not aware of the Shinners at all?

    I'm not sure I follow.i would be a supporter of Sin n Fein but see attemps to discredit a journalist based on the fact that he works in Britain crass to say the least and reaks of desperation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    dav3 wrote: »
    Oy vey, you're back.

    Are you going to stick around this time, or do a runner when people start asking you the difficult questions again?

    Ah yes, the UK Sunday Times, your family must be very proud of you having your rant published in a british newspaper.

    Why do you think real journalists in Ireland refuse to have any dealings with you?

    Your personal dislike for Mr Humphreys is perhaps food for another thread.

    However,the remarks about the Sunday Times simply does not bear any form of scrutiny.

    The Irish edition of the Sunday Times has been perhaps the ONLY Irish newspaper to investigate issues which the "Native" organs either find problematic,or are requested "Off record" to leave alone.

    The Pamela Izevbakhai bandwagon,some years back,was the proving of this,as virtually the entire Irish Media was shown to be lacking in,even the most,basic levels of proffessional detachment when offered a pre-packaged story.

    RTE themselves have a substantial amount of unanswered questions as to the reluctance of it's Chief Investigative Reporter,at the time,to actually research & investigate a story,something which was left to the (Irish) Sunday Times to do.

    Whatever issues you have with Mark Humphreys (and I would share some of them),these cannot simply be superimposed upon the Sunday Times and used to discredit it.

    It is worth noting also,that Mr Humphreys has,via his blog,posed some rather simple questions in relation to the Halawa family's position in relation to their involvement in the "Day of Rage" events,none of which has been directly responded to,either via the Sunday Times or Humphreys blog itself.

    As I see it,that right of reply,remains available ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just in case you weren’t aware of how dangerous the Muslin Brotherhood are. Newly released Bin Laden journal documents show how they shaped his radical views.

    https://www.thenational.ae/world/the-americas/bin-laden-journal-reveals-he-was-shaped-by-the-muslim-brotherhood-1.672646


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Vlad Kelly wrote: »
    His sisters are all 11s, and I support them in their case against the state at this moment,s.

    Why?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    I think we need to clear a few things up.

    There are Irish newspapers, british newspapers, and british newspapers with Irish editions which are still british newspapers.

    The Sunday times is a british newspaper, the royal coat of arms plastered on the front page is a bit of a giveaway. The Sunday times is a Rupert Murdock owned, right-wing, anti-Irish, phone-hacking rag. The same as the sun and similar to the daily mail.

    The question still stands, why real journalists in Ireland won’t go near the blogger. It's been over 4 years, nearly half a decade. Nobody takes him serious. I'm sorry to hurt the feelings of a few people, but the questions needed to be asked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Why?

    With the Ibrahim Halawa issue now essentially at an end,it will be interesting to see whether the family will seek to maintain the momentum which they built up around it.

    From what can be gathered in Irish media accounts,the sisters in question appear to be pursuing a similar line of attack against the Irish Government,namely that Ireland is failing to recognise their demands in a timely manner,which is resulting in a degree of unnecessary distress being imposed upon them.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/halawa-sisters-complain-of-delay-in-deciding-if-husbands-can-join-them-in-ireland-1.3092181
    Omaima and Somaia Halawa, both Irish citizens, have, along with their husbands – Mohamed Abdo Mahmoud Aly and Emadelin Mohamed Arab respectively – taken judicial review proceedings against the Minister in the High Court.

    Both men are Egyptian nationals currently residing in Turkey.

    Omaima Halawa said she and her husband are expecting their first child in August, but, despite having applied for a Join Spouse visa in October 2015, they have yet to receive a decision. The delay is “deeply distressing”, she said.

    The inference can be taken,that the Irish Government is not entitled to apply a more robust protocol in relation to the issuance of Visa's,as a response to events unfolding on a now daily basis involving members of their Politico/Religous grouping ?
    The sisters also allege unlawful discrimination against them as Irish citizens exercising their rights concerning free movement rights of EU citizens and their families.

    In an affidavit, Omaima Halawa said she met her husband during a family holiday in Turkey in summer 2014 and they married in August 2015 in Istanbul. Her husband applied for a visa in October 2015, but, despite several attempts since then to contact the Visa Office about the status of that, no explanation was given for the delay in deciding it.

    Her solicitor was informed in December 2016 by the Department of Justice visa section the application was being considered but no further information would be provided until they got a signed letter of authority from her husband, she said.

    Her husband provided that signed letter of authority, and the Department was also given a letter from the Coombe hospital concerning the due date of their baby. Details of the continued detention of her brother were also provided.

    It is interesting that the Halawa sisters specifically refer to their Brothers situation in their "join Spouse" visa applications,something which has now materially altered.

    Some citizens might see the alleged "Delay" in processing these applications,as being understandable,if not even desirable,given current events worldwide.

    The ending of the Ibrahim Halawa case,may well prove to be a mixed blessing in some ways ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    dav3 wrote: »
    I think we need to clear a few things up.

    There are Irish newspapers, british newspapers, and british newspapers with Irish editions which are still british newspapers.

    The Sunday times is a british newspaper, the royal coat of arms plastered on the front page is a bit of a giveaway. The Sunday times is a Rupert Murdock owned, right-wing, anti-Irish, phone-hacking rag. The same as the sun and similar to the daily mail.

    The question still stands, why real journalists in Ireland won’t go near the blogger. It's been over 4 years, nearly half a decade. Nobody takes him serious. I'm sorry to hurt the feelings of a few people, but the questions needed to be asked.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,456 ✭✭✭Icepick


    cisk wrote: »
    His father is Imam of Dublin's Clonskeagh mosque and represents Irish Muslims at many events.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/special-reports/2017/0918/905614-ibrahim-halawa/
    This religious nonsense again. He only represents himself and people who asked him to represent them. That's it. He has no reason or right to represent anybody else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    dav3 wrote: »
    I think we need to clear a few things up.

    There are Irish newspapers, british newspapers, and british newspapers with Irish editions which are still british newspapers.

    The Sunday times is a british newspaper, the royal coat of arms plastered on the front page is a bit of a giveaway. The Sunday times is a Rupert Murdock owned, right-wing, anti-Irish, phone-hacking rag. The same as the sun and similar to the daily mail.

    The question still stands, why real journalists in Ireland won’t go near the blogger. It's been over 4 years, nearly half a decade. Nobody takes him serious. I'm sorry to hurt the feelings of a few people, but the questions needed to be asked.

    The Irish media are pathetic. There are very few “journalists”. They write and print what they are told.

    How many journalists have looked into the Mary Boyle case? Or the death of age Niall Molloy? Or have pushed for info on what the Irish Govt knew about the Dublin Monaghan bombings? Or British army collusion in the Miami Showband massacre?? Or the many other public interest stories out there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    emo72 wrote: »
    Thought the way tubridy framed the question, can't remember the exact phrasing though, "shall we start to dismiss the negative questions?" It's as if it was decided that everything negative was fake. Not really the ideal way to approach it.

    We could take Turbidy's question literally or that it is in itself a loaded question.

    In his phraseology he also appeared to presume that those with concerns were asking 'negative' questions which puts any such questions automatically in a 'negative' light.

    Much like the old classic loaded question of "when did you stop beating your wife" the questioner presumes that the respondent has beat his wife at some point - leaving the respondents only avenue to be defensive in reply.

    Turbidy also pigeonholed the "haters" as he referred to them without any attempt of defining the term or even in fact if it was relevant to what was been said or by whom.

    Both points indicate a certain bias in that interview imo. I would expect better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    dav3 wrote: »
    I think we need to clear a few things up.

    There are Irish newspapers, british newspapers, and british newspapers with Irish editions which are still british newspapers.

    The Sunday times is a british newspaper, the royal coat of arms plastered on the front page is a bit of a giveaway. The Sunday times is a Rupert Murdock owned, right-wing, anti-Irish, phone-hacking rag. The same as the sun and similar to the daily mail.

    The question still stands, why real journalists in Ireland won’t go near the blogger. It's been over 4 years, nearly half a decade. Nobody takes him serious. I'm sorry to hurt the feelings of a few people, but the questions needed to be asked.

    Real journalists in Ireland tow the editorial line.irish media is not as free as we are lead to believe and outside international media can be very useful to break the silence on matters here.

    I'll give you two such examples to prove my point.The Tuam baby graves swept under the carpet by terry prone in the irish press.a french news channel then got the international momentum rolling and the ny times and the guardian put the story on the international stage.it finally got so exposed that our domestic media couldn't ignore it any longer and govenrment had to make statements regarding inquests etc.

    Second example ; the IMF in Ireland.government ministers on RTE denying the IMF delegation in Dublin. No pictures of them in the Irish media.Then the Guardian put pictures of them entering the central bank on the front pages. Eventually it was admitted they were there and that we would be following measure of austerity done by them. Two such instances of the irish media doing the ordinary joe soaps a disservice.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    The Irish media are pathetic. There are very few “journalists”. They write and print what they are told.

    How many journalists have looked into the Mary Boyle case? Or the death of age Niall Molloy? Or have pushed for info on what the Irish Govt knew about the Dublin Monaghan bombings? Or British army collusion in the Miami Showband massacre?? Or the many other public interest stories out there?

    How did you find out about these public interest stories?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The irish media have created a ****storm for the Halawa boy by not giving fair and balanced coverage. The lack of questioning of the stories has led to a movement demanding answers.

    There is a real lack of understanding of the human trait of inquisitivity. When you have media rooms that are echo chambers, the so called journalists are absolutely bewildered as to why the general public are not going full hop into the stories that were given.

    Now we are at a stage of anger of journalists that people who were blase about the story are now saying "hold on, this doesnt add up".

    There has now been a noticeable climb down of the statement from the media and leftist politicians that he wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time and that he was right to be out there protesting. If they had have just admitted that from the start, the whole reaction would have been different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Vlad Kelly wrote: »
    I'm a strong supporter of Islam in Ireland.

    Would it be its inherent homophobia or its rampant misogyny that you appreciate?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    dav3 wrote: »
    How did you find out about these public interest stories?

    We’ve this thing called the internet now. So the mainstream media can’t repress stories as they used to. The Mary Boyle and Fr Molloy stories are from 20/30 years ago or more, the details of both are only coming to light now via bloggers and independent people reporting them.

    Tuam Babies was another one that took international reportage to become a story in Ireland.

    Edit: That’s all I’ll say on it. You are desperately trying to drag the thread off topic to get it shut down, and I’m not going to let you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,084 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Caught this interview last night with my wife half watching it and who didn't have a notion who this person was. Half way through she put down her phone, and stated that 'This guy is hiding something'.

    She is correct. He came across terribly, didn't answer any questions directly, and spoke like a novice politician like he was coached by someone last minute. He was anything but honest.

    Like, he went over the Egypt to chill and have a summer holiday, by eating ice cream, so he finds himself addressing a large crowd about something political. Come off it, are we idiots?

    The fact that his father is an ardent supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood, never-mind his statement that Homosexuals are sinful should have more public scrutiny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    We’ve this thing called the internet now. So the mainstream media can’t repress stories as they used to. The Mary Boyle and Fr Molloy stories are from 20/30 years ago or more, the details of both are only coming to light now via bloggers and independent people reporting them.

    Tuam Babies was another one that took international reportage to become a story in Ireland.

    Edit: That’s all I’ll say on it. You are desperately trying to drag the thread off topic to get it shut down, and I’m not going to let you.

    I think you may be confused as to what the job of a journalist is about. It appears you have a problem with the gardaí not investigating these issues. For some reason you've mixed up gardaí with journalists.

    No need to derail anything. The question still stands as to why real journalist in Ireland will have nothing to do with the blogger.

    We may need another quick recap.

    Ibrahim Halawa was tried in an Egyptian court, the prosecution put their case forward, the defence put their case forward. He was acquitted of all charges and released.

    He disavowed the muslim brotherhood on the most popular tv show in the country.

    The end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    dav3 wrote: »
    I think you may be confused as to what the job of a journalist is about. It appears you have a problem with the gardaot investigating these issues. For some reason you've mixed up gardaith journalists.

    No need to derail anything. The question still stands as to why real journalist in Ireland will have nothing to do with the blogger.

    We may need another quick recap.

    Ibrahim Halawa was tried in an Egyptian court, the prosecution put their case forward, the defence put their case forward. He was acquitted of all charges and released.

    He disavowed the muslim brotherhood on the most popular tv show in the country.

    The end.

    For some people, it will never be the end until he goes on TV, starts crying and begging forgiveness on his knees, spits on the Muslim Brotherhood flag, then burns it and then takes out a giant picture of Mohammed Badie and starts whacking it in the face with his shoe.

    And then there would STILL be people that would not be satisfied.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    His mother's quiet sick going by the late late interview and i assume may not be fit to face public and intensive questioning??


    If this tread is anything to go by,if his ould lad appeared he'd get forgotten about in the furore??


    If I was him,I'd not court any press etc and just fade into normal civilian life....and seriously contemplate deleting social media for a few years until everything dies down....who needs the constant public scrutiny,he'll face??

    I agree. That's exactly what he should do. Last night was a bit of a fiasco for him. I don't know if his family are pushing him to court all this publicity, or if he's enjoying it himself. But it could backfire badly. He should get on with his life and try and put the last four years behind him. If his family have his best interests at heart, that is what they should be advising him to do.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,993 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    For some people, it will never be the end until he goes on TV, starts crying and begging forgiveness on his knees, spits on the Muslim Brotherhood flag, then burns it and then takes out a giant picture of Mohammed Badie and starts whacking it in the face with his shoe.

    And then there would STILL be people that would not be satisfied.

    I'd be satisfied with that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    For some people, it will never be the end until he goes on TV, starts crying and begging forgiveness on his knees, spits on the Muslim Brotherhood flag, then burns it and then takes out a giant picture of Mohammed Badie and starts whacking it in the face with his shoe.

    And then there would STILL be people that would not be satisfied.

    Perhaps. But a lot of us would be happy if he just disappeared from the limelight and stopped spinning stories and courting publicity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    littelady wrote:
    I thought he said it was his first time in Egypt his father wanted him to go over and see it then go from there to Ibiza.

    As I understand it (and as reported in the Irish Times among others) it was "common" for them to travel to Egypt to meet their cousins.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,756 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    If the Halawa family and his supporters hoped the interview would lay to rest any questions about Ibrahim Halawa they were sadly mistaken.
    People more than ever don't believe he is being truthful about what happened, or on his actual views.

    It came across like Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". Gullible people may have believed him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    RobertKK wrote:
    People more than ever don't believe he is being truthful about what happened, or on his actual views.

    You've conducted a poll have you?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,756 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    littelady wrote: »
    I thought he said it was his first time in Egypt his father wanted him to go over and see it then go from there to Ibiza.
    First Up wrote: »
    As I understand it (and as reported in the Irish Times among others) it was "common" for them to travel to Egypt to meet their cousins.

    That is problems when one is not truthful, one forgets the lies already said.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,756 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    First Up wrote: »
    You've conducted a poll have you?

    It is clear on social media and elsewhere the interview went down badly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,084 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    He went to the cinema and found himself speaking to a rally in front of thousands?
    If he was honest and came clean then people would respect him, but people hate liars like that, its not the lie itself, its the fact that he thinks everyone else is stupid enough to believe his bull****. Its about respect at the end of the day.

    If he wont respect people enough to tell us the truth, warts and all, then why should people respect him back?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    First Up wrote: »
    You've conducted a poll have you?

    Liberal.ie are currently conducting a poll. Over half of the respondents say they have changed their mind for the worse after seeing him on the LLS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Liberal.ie are currently conducting a poll. Over half of the respondents say they have changed their mind for the worse after seeing him on the LLS.


    Giving that outfit's track record that is unlikely to be a balanced sample of the national mood but there ya go.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    First Up wrote: »
    Giving that outfit's track record that is unlikely to be a balanced sample of the national mood but there ya go.

    Not sure what you mean?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    For some people, it will never be the end until he goes on TV, starts crying and begging forgiveness on his knees, spits on the Muslim Brotherhood flag, then burns it and then takes out a giant picture of Mohammed Badie and starts whacking it in the face with his shoe.

    And then there would STILL be people that would not be satisfied
    .

    Wow that is really so deep - nearly as deep as the last poster who used the same stupid hyperbole and like you have failed to read what was posted in this thread.
    dav3 wrote: »
    Some people appear upset that Ibrahim didn't come out wrapped in the isis flag, proceeded to burn the Irish flag in front of the audience, pulled four passports out of his back pocket…all Egyptian, beheaded Tubridy, and then laughed 'ha ha stupid Irish' at the end.

    ...?

    Completely ridiculous inflamatory tripe


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    dav3 wrote: »

    He disavowed the muslim brotherhood on the most popular tv show in the country.

    The end.

    The end? Convicted murderer Joe o Reilly appeared on that same show appealing for information on his wife's death too... you know how that played out don't you?

    His explanation of innocently going to the cinema only to find himself on stage chanting for blood may somehow ring true for you, thankfully the vast majority of those who watched his disastrous interview are not so easily fooled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Did not watch the 'show' last night but when I read he said "racist people are going to be racist" when asked about the Muslim Brotherhood, it confirmed to me that this response will be the defacto retort to any questions about his involvement with the MLB. Many of his supporters on here are reading from the same hymn sheet. They believe that the racist label will shut down all conversation and stop attempts to question the many obvious lies that he and his family told to the Irish public.

    And if anyone dares to question the activities of his father or the Clonskeagh mosque, then the racist accusation will be used there too. It is also no surprise that his sisters are claiming discrimination in their lawsuit against the Irish State.

    The Irish news media have really left the people of Ireland down by their partial and biased coverage of these events.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    I'll be honest, I watched it with an open mind. I supported the fact that the Irish government fought hard for an Irish person being detained for 4 years without a charge,

    He just didn't come across as sincere. Maybe it was nerves, maybe he's hiding something, I dunno.

    And fair play to Tubs, he nudged and pushed it as hard as he was able to, given the fact the LLS isn't exactly the hard hitting show. A lot less of the fluffy **** I was expecting.

    It'll be interesting to see what plays out from here.

    It's very possible that he got caught up in something, being a bit naive at 17, and it got out of control. At 17, I was well on my way into getting into the Orange Order, mostly at the behest of my father. Could I have ended up a hardline Unionist? It's possible. I didn't though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭SnakePlissken


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Did not watch the 'show' last night but when I read he said "racist people are going to be racist" when asked about the Muslim Brotherhood, it confirmed to me that this response will be the defacto retort to any questions about his involvement with the MLB. Many of his supporters on here are reading from the same hymn sheet. They believe that the racist label will shut down all conversation and stop attempts to question the many obvious lies that he and his family told to the Irish public.

    And if anyone dares to question the activities of his father or the Clonskeagh mosque, then the racist accusation will be used there too. It is also no surprise that his sisters are claiming discrimination in their lawsuit against the Irish State.

    The Irish news media have really left the people of Ireland down by their partial and biased coverage of these events.

    Don't forget their attempts at deflection by throwing in some whataboutery regarding the Catholic church, honestly, it's as though they can't put forward a cohesive argument for some reason, I wonder why that is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    gozunda wrote: »
    Wow that is really so deep - nearly as deep as the last poster who used the same stupid hyperbole and like you have failed to read what was posted in this thread.



    Completely ridiculous inflamatory tripe

    It's not tripe. Halawa can't win in this instance.

    If he were to come out and denounce the Muslim Brotherhood, there would still be people out there who would say that it was a bull**** apology, that it was just PR and he didn't mean it and that it was all just Taqiyya.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    It's not tripe. Halawa can't win in this instance.

    If he were to come out and denounce the Muslim Brotherhood, there would still be people out there who would say that it was a bull**** apology, that it was just PR and he didn't mean it and that it was all just Taqiyya.
    For some people, it will never be the end until he goes on TV, starts crying and begging forgiveness on his knees, spits on the Muslim Brotherhood flag, then burns it and then takes out a giant picture of Mohammed Badie and starts whacking it in the face with his shoe.

    That is hyperbole and it's tripe ....

    It fails to in anyway represent what has been discussed or the concerns detailed on this thread.

    If your point is that there may be a small number of individuals who would remain sceptical even after a detailed and obective interview - then that is a possibility. Though that is probably true for any similar controversial issues.

    However as that has not happened it is not possible imo to make that conclusion at this point.

    That results in neither 'winning' or otherwise ..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    It's not tripe. Halawa can't win in this instance.

    If he were to come out and denounce the Muslim Brotherhood, there would still be people out there who would say that it was a bull**** apology, that it was just PR and he didn't mean it and that it was all just Taqiyya.

    I'm sure there would be. That does not take from the fact that he went on a television show to tell his story and that he came across as very unconvincing to many people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro



    It's very possible that he got caught up in something, being a bit naive at 17, and it got out of control. At 17, I was well on my way into getting into the Orange Order, mostly at the behest of my father. Could I have ended up a hardline Unionist? It's possible. I didn't though.

    But at 17 you knew what the Orange Order was.
    This is what Halawa said when asked about the Muslim Brotherhood: "Of course I'm not with the Muslim Brotherhood, at 17 you don't know what that is".

    Halawa and his family has gotten away with so many 'falsehoods' in their telling of this holiday-gone-bad story that he expects the Irish public to believe everything he says, because up to very recently everything that the Halawas said was gospel. He outright lied when he said that he didn't know what the Muslim Brotherhood was at 17.

    There are just too many lies ........... and not all of us are that gullible to believe them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    Kivaro wrote: »
    But at 17 you knew what the Orange Order was.
    This is what Halawa said when asked about the Muslim Brotherhood: "Of course I'm not with the Muslim Brotherhood, at 17 you don't know what that is".

    Obviously he didnt mean that literally. He meant you wouldn't take get serious politically in any way at 17.


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