Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

end of the road · 22-09-2017 10:38pm

Woodville56 wrote: »

"up to 40 Department of Foreign Affairs staff worked on Mr Halawa’s situation at any one time “and around 20,000 person-hours were put into this case”.
Source - Irish Times online

Wow - some resource input there !
All payed for by us the taxpayers. There's an Irish guy incarcerated in the Philippines on a drugs charge, who is also protesting his innocence - wonder how many government staff and person hours spent trying to get him repatriated ?? Where's the liberal luvvies marching for his release or at least to have him serve out his sentence at home ?
Not a liberal enough cause it seems ?

why don't you organise a march, you obviously feel so strongly about it yourself.

Woodville56 · 22-09-2017 10:49pm

end of the road wrote: »

Woodville56 wrote: »

"up to 40 Department of Foreign Affairs staff worked on Mr Halawa’s situation at any one time “and around 20,000 person-hours were put into this case”.
Source - Irish Times online

Wow - some resource input there !
All payed for by us the taxpayers. There's an Irish guy incarcerated in the Philippines on a drugs charge, who is also protesting his innocence - wonder how many government staff and person hours spent trying to get him repatriated ?? Where's the liberal luvvies marching for his release or at least to have him serve out his sentence at home ?
Not a liberal enough cause it seems ?

why don't you organise a march, you obviously feel so strongly about it yourself.

Wouldn't be a match for the manpower ( and woman power ) mustered in the cause of Mr Halawa - then again the Irish guy in a Philippines jail isn't a Muslim or a MB supporter - another Irish lad banged up on a drugs charge isn't half as trendy a cause for the luvvies to get all excited about. Your dismissive reply says it all - strange priorities !

Jawgap · 22-09-2017 11:10pm

Woodville56 wrote: »

"up to 40 Department of Foreign Affairs staff worked on Mr Halawa’s situation at any one time “and around 20,000 person-hours were put into this case”.
Source - Irish Times online

Wow - some resource input there !
All payed for by us the taxpayers. There's an Irish guy incarcerated in the Philippines on a drugs charge, who is also protesting his innocence - wonder how many government staff and person hours spent trying to get him repatriated ?? Where's the liberal luvvies marching for his release or at least to have him serve out his sentence at home ?
Not a liberal enough cause it seems ?

Was he on a family holiday when he was lifted?

......and not forgetting the murder of Michael Dwyer.......after Morales' thugs murdered him the lefties feted him here.......or they certainly didn't protest his visit with nearly as much vigour as they protested Halawa's detention

thebaz · 22-09-2017 11:24pm

Woodville56 wrote: »

"up to 40 Department of Foreign Affairs staff worked on Mr Halawa’s situation at any one time “and around 20,000 person-hours were put into this case”.
Source - Irish Times online

Wow - some resource input there !
All payed for by us the taxpayers. There's an Irish guy incarcerated in the Philippines on a drugs charge, who is also protesting his innocence - wonder how many government staff and person hours spent trying to get him repatriated ?? Where's the liberal luvvies marching for his release or at least to have him serve out his sentence at home ?
Not a liberal enough cause it seems ?

Thats a staggering amount of resources - you wonder would all citizens get that level of attention = somehow I think not - its like Animal Farm , where some are just more equal than others.

Put another way - I'd prefer more monies deferred from this excessive Govenment political initiative and used for basic housing for the homleless.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-09-2017 11:46pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

That's Great...

It is actually, you're right.

K.Flyer · 23-09-2017 12:51am

thebaz wrote: »

Thats a staggering amount of resources - you wonder would all citizens get that level of attention = somehow I think not - its like Animal Farm , where some are just more equal than others. [...]

More like the squeaky wheels getting the oil. :rolleyes:

Hopefully they can now put as much effort and resources into our dilapidated health care and deal with the homeless / housing crisis.

end of the road · 23-09-2017 1:48am

Woodville56 wrote: »

Wouldn't be a match for the manpower ( and woman power ) mustered in the cause of Mr Halawa - then again the Irish guy in a Philippines jail isn't a Muslim or a MB supporter - another Irish lad banged up on a drugs charge isn't half as trendy a cause for the luvvies to get all excited about. Your dismissive reply says it all - strange priorities !

you are imagining things. the lad is on a drugs charge in a country ruled by a nutter who calls for murder of all and sundry without trial. so yes of course people will be concerned about him. i'm sure the staff in the relevant department are doing what they can for him.

Jawgap wrote: »

Was he on a family holiday when he was lifted?

......and not forgetting the murder of Michael Dwyer.......after Morales' thugs murdered him the lefties feted him here.......or they certainly didn't protest his visit with nearly as much vigour as they protested Halawa's detention

people not protesting 1 thing doesn't mean they can't protest something else. people take things on a case by case basis which is sometimes the best way. for what it's worth as far as i'm concerned Morales' had no place being invited to ireland.

thebaz wrote: »

Thats a staggering amount of resources - you wonder would all citizens get that level of attention = somehow I think not - its like Animal Farm , where some are just more equal than others.

Put another way - I'd prefer more monies deferred from this excessive Govenment political initiative and used for basic housing for the homleless.

that can't happen as the housing issue is all ready budgeted for. there is plenty of money for both issues.

gitzy16v · 23-09-2017 2:19am

end of the road wrote: »

you are imagining things. the lad is on a drugs charge in a country ruled by a nutter who calls for murder of all and sundry without trial. so yes of course people will be concerned about him. i'm sure the staff in the relevant department are doing what they can for him.

people not protesting 1 thing doesn't mean they can't protest something else. people take things on a case by case basis which is sometimes the best way. for what it's worth as far as i'm concerned Morales' had no place being invited to ireland.

that can't happen as the housing issue is all ready budgeted for. there is plenty of money for both issues.

Youre some lad for the love of Islamic extremists.

Banned.

riffmongous · 23-09-2017 2:32am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Youre some lad for the love of Islamic extremists.

???

gitzy16v · 23-09-2017 2:38am

riffmongous wrote: »

???

Dont worry even the best of us get confused sometimes.

end of the road · 23-09-2017 4:44am

gitzy16v wrote: »

Dont worry even the best of us get confused sometimes.

indeed we do. i'm confused how you managed to come to the conclusion that i love islamic extremists from what i wrote?

worded · 23-09-2017 6:51am

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

CollyFlower wrote: »

I really don't think our Garda are equipped to deal with theres sort of things, jesus, they can't even get the Bereath Tests right.

Breath tests = Bog standard Garda.

There are specialist AGS who deal with this type of thing, not fcuktards.

These are specialists AGS who deal with type of thing all the time LOL

They will show this Bucko what's what

Step out of the vehicle, step off that camel

You've drink taken

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-09-2017 7:59am

I don't like the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt.

We are a culturally Christian country so why on earth would we want such a character and his clan back living amongst us?

It makes no sense.

Why not offer refugee to the Christians in the region who are being persecuted?

First Up · 23-09-2017 8:02am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

I don't like the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt.

We are a culturally Christian country so why on earth would we want such a character and his clan back living amongst us?

I assume the irony of this escapes you....

Jawgap · 23-09-2017 8:05am

end of the road wrote: »

........

people not protesting 1 thing doesn't mean they can't protest something else. people take things on a case by case basis which is sometimes the best way. for what it's worth as far as i'm concerned Morales' had no place being invited to ireland.

.......

It's ok, most of us get it.......Marxist/socialist regimes can do no wrong in the eyes of the the protesting left here, sure you only have to look at how Castro (another find of the ol' extra-judicial murder) was lionised when he died.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-09-2017 8:13am

Try burning a Cathedral to the ground here and see what happens.

Respect is a two way street.

evolving_doors · 23-09-2017 8:13am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I don't like the persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt.

We are a culturally Christian country so why on earth would we want such a character and his clan back living amongst us?

It makes no sense.

Why not offer refugee to the Christians in the region who are being persecuted?

Is that you George?

First Up · 23-09-2017 8:15am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Try burning a Cathedral to the ground here and see what happens.

The more accurate analogy would be burning a mosque.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-09-2017 8:26am

First Up wrote: »

I assume the irony of this escapes you....

Christians do not have to accept those who wish to harm or conquer them.

The most famous eg of this would be the launch of the Crusades when the Vatican hummed and hawed for over 400 years before finally engaging in force to drive Islam back. The huge encroachment into Europe led to a counsel in Rome. Their verdict was 'Deus Vult'.

Men of God not War.

First Up · 23-09-2017 8:28am

Jawgap wrote:

It's ok, most of us get it.......Marxist/socialist regimes can do no wrong in the eyes of the the protesting left here, sure you only have to look at how Castro (another find of the ol' extra-judicial murder) was lionised when he died.

I sure ain't no marxist and I've enough experience of life under islamic law not to fancy that either.

That doesn't stop me respecting those who do and from objecting to military coups or people being shot or imprisoned for protesting them.

Its sad to see the nasty underbelly of Irish attitudes on display here. There's a big diverse world out there; try and join in.

Jawgap · 23-09-2017 8:36am

First Up wrote: »

I sure ain't no marxist and I've enough experience of life under islamic law not to fancy that either.

That doesn't stop me respecting those who do and from objecting to military coups or people being shot or imprisoned for protesting them.

Its sad to see the nasty underbelly of Irish attitudes on display here. There's a big diverse world out there; try and join in.

Good, in that case can we put to bed the idea that supporting the MB, even if it was democratically elected, was not a wholly benign act.....

In June 2012 we got our first elected president, and, in his first year in office, the state's monopoly on violence was broken. Bands of trained Muslim Brotherhood militias and supporters took on protestors and killed them.

In the Ettehadeyya protests in December 2012, the Brotherhood set up an instant torture centre inside the wall of the presidential palace. The interior ministry carried on kidnapping and torturing and killing – and the targets of the Brotherhood and the police were predominantly revolutionary activists and protestors: Mohamed Gaber ("Jika"), Mohamed el‑Guindi, Mohamed el-Shafei, Al-Husseini Abu Deif – and others. But also non-political, sectarian and vigilante killings started to happen: where the efforts of Mubarak, the interior ministry and Scaf to turn people against each other had failed, the Muslim Brotherhood's rule and discourse were succeeding.

......or is all the above ok, because the MB were democratically elected?

First Up · 23-09-2017 9:25am

Jawgap wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

I sure ain't no marxist and I've enough experience of life under islamic law not to fancy that either.

That doesn't stop me respecting those who do and from objecting to military coups or people being shot or imprisoned for protesting them.

Its sad to see the nasty underbelly of Irish attitudes on display here. There's a big diverse world out there; try and join in.

Good, in that case can we put to bed the idea that supporting the MB, even if it was democratically elected, was not a wholly benign act.....

In June 2012 we got our first elected president, and, in his first year in office, the state's monopoly on violence was broken. Bands of trained Muslim Brotherhood militias and supporters took on protestors and killed them.

In the Ettehadeyya protests in December 2012, the Brotherhood set up an instant torture centre inside the wall of the presidential palace. The interior ministry carried on kidnapping and torturing and killing – and the targets of the Brotherhood and the police were predominantly revolutionary activists and protestors: Mohamed Gaber ("Jika"), Mohamed el‑Guindi, Mohamed el-Shafei, Al-Husseini Abu Deif – and others. But also non-political, sectarian and vigilante killings started to happen: where the efforts of Mubarak, the interior ministry and Scaf to turn people against each other had failed, the Muslim Brotherhood's rule and discourse were succeeding.

......or is all the above ok, because the MB were democratically elected?

Did you read the rest of the article? For example:
"But then the cut‑and-paste stories, put out by the interior ministry about the prison deaths, fell apart, and a version of a truth came out: 38 men, arrested over the last couple of days in the vicinity of the Muslim Brotherhood sit-in at Rab'a al-Adawiya Square, and held on remand, were being transferred to jail. They had arrived in Abu Za'bal, but the warden said the jail was full and they'd been left in the police transport vehicle in the courtyard. I've never been locked up in one of these vehicles, but my nephew and various friends have, and I've seen them up close: a big, dark metal box with tiny, high-up barred windows that give such poor ventilation that prisoners have to ask for air to be pumped in and out. They should not hold more than 20 people. Here, today, 38 men were kept in the vehicle for hours, in the August sun in a prison courtyard. By midday they must have been burning. They banged on the walls and a police officer came to speak to them. They grabbed him. Other officers freed him and relocked the transport. The men banged on the walls, shouted that they couldn't breathe, they were dying of heat. An officer suggested tear gas would quieten them down and a gas canister was lobbed into the transport"
Egypt has been the recipient of vast amounts of US money - it was the single biggest beneficiary of USAID under the corrupt Mubarak administration. This money was essentially a bribe to keep Egypt onside with regard to Israel. Mubarak brutally suppressed all opposition (and pocketed a good chunk of the American taxpayers' donations.) He also looked after the army bigwigs, who are never too far off-stage in Egyptian politics.

The rise of the MB was mostly in reaction to Mubarak. When they won the election, they put Mubarak on trial, which threatened to expose army complicity in much of the nasty stuff. That, my friend was the real reason for the coup - not concern over the burning of churches or the like.

Where a 17 year old Irish/Egyptian Leaving Cert student fits into all this is a matter of opinion. But lets be realistic about the goodies and baddies in the bigger story.

Jawgap · 23-09-2017 9:35am

First Up wrote: »

Did you read the rest of the article? For example:
"But then the cut‑and-paste stories, put out by the interior ministry about the prison deaths, fell apart, and a version of a truth came out: 38 men, arrested over the last couple of days in the vicinity of the Muslim Brotherhood sit-in at Rab'a al-Adawiya Square, and held on remand, were being transferred to jail. They had arrived in Abu Za'bal, but the warden said the jail was full and they'd been left in the police transport vehicle in the courtyard. I've never been locked up in one of these vehicles, but my nephew and various friends have, and I've seen them up close: a big, dark metal box with tiny, high-up barred windows that give such poor ventilation that prisoners have to ask for air to be pumped in and out. They should not hold more than 20 people. Here, today, 38 men were kept in the vehicle for hours, in the August sun in a prison courtyard. By midday they must have been burning. They banged on the walls and a police officer came to speak to them. They grabbed him. Other officers freed him and relocked the transport. The men banged on the walls, shouted that they couldn't breathe, they were dying of heat. An officer suggested tear gas would quieten them down and a gas canister was lobbed into the transport"
Egypt has been the recipient of vast amounts of US money - it was the single biggest beneficiary of USAID under the corrupt Mubarak administration. This money was essentially a bribe to keep Egypt onside with regard to Israel. Mubarak brutally suppressed all opposition (and pocketed a good chunk of the American taxpayers' donations.) He also looked after the army bigwigs, who are never too far off-stage in Egyptian politics.

The rise of the MB was mostly in reaction to Mubarak. When they won the election, they put Mubarak on trial, which threatened to expose army complicity in much of the nasty stuff. That, my friend was the real reason for the coup - not concern over the burning of churches or the like.

Where a 17 year old Irish/Egyptian Leaving Cert student fits into all this is a matter of opinion. But lets be realistic about the goodies and baddies in the bigger story.

Yes I did and I'm not saying "one side good.....other side bad"

I'm just pointing out that the MB were not beyond perpetrating the exact same acts of torture, murder and imprisonment that have afflicted that country for several generations........therefore just because, in their case, the regime was democractically elected it doesn't mean it wasn't capable of torture......and Halawas support for it needs to be seen in that context before the moral value of his protests are weighed.

Secondly, if you read the article and look at the timeline she maps out......then map it to Halawas travel timeline.....you can see that in late July the military were openly gearing up for a crackdown.......before Halawa travelled......at some point before he steps on the plane does someone not say "hey, let's pass on the family holiday".......

.......I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't be in the habit of letting my teenage kids head off into a situation like that for a family holiday

Donal55 · 23-09-2017 9:40am

Jawgap wrote: »

Yes I did and I'm not saying "one side good.....other side bad"

I'm just pointing out that the MB were not beyond perpetrating the exact same acts of torture, murder and imprisonment that have afflicted that country for several generations........therefore just because, in their case, the regime was democractically elected it doesn't mean it wasn't capable of torture......and Halawas support for it needs to be seen in that context before the moral value of his protests are weighed.

Secondly, if you read the article and look at the timeline she maps out......then map it to Halawas travel timeline.....you can see that in late July the military were openly gearing up for a crackdown.......before Halawa travelled......at some point before he steps on the plane does someone not say "hey, let's pass on the family holiday".......

.......I don't know about anyone else but I wouldn't be in the habit of letting my teenage kids head off into a situation like that for a family holiday

Ah you've never lived.
'Sun,sea and suspicious parents' anyone?

dav3 · 23-09-2017 9:42am

Ever since Ibrahim Halawa was acquitted and found not guilty by an Egyptian court, the entire dynamics of this story have changed. Most people waited for this verdict before giving an opinion, but there is absolutely no doubt that he is not guilty of all charges and must be treated as such.

Yet here we have a blogger, currently rearranging the deckchairs for his career and credibility which have recently hit an iceberg, determined to go down with the ship.

The blogger refuses to accept the findings of the Egyptian court, a court more anti-muslim brotherhood than he is.
A regime that made membership of the muslim brotherhood a crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group

Egypt's military-backed interim government has declared the Muslim Brotherhood a terrorist group, criminalising all its activities, its financing and even membership to the group from which the country's ousted president hails.

Ahmed el-Borai, the minister of social solidarity, told reporters in a news conference that the decision means "all activities of the Muslim Brotherhood group are banned, including the demonstrations".

A regime that recently acquitted Ibrahim and his sisters of all charges.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/18/irish-egyptian-man-acquitted-four-years-after-cairo-protest-arrest

Mass trials have become an increasing feature of Egyptian justice since President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi came to power in 2013. On Monday, the court in Wadi al-Natrun handed out 43 life sentences, while 399 other people were sentenced to between five and 15 years in prison. Fifty-two, including Halawa and his sisters, were acquitted.

52 people were acquitted that day. 442 were imprisoned.

The reason why no media outlet is picking up on the blogger's claims that Ibrahim Halawa is a member of the muslim brotherhood...

his own quote from the blog
“If Ibrahim Halawa was called "Michael Murphy" and was not in the Muslim Brotherhood but rather in a white group that called for death for gays, not a soul in Ireland would want him freed except for his parents.

...is that there is absolutely no evidence. Once again, there is absolutely no evidence in the blog to support this. The most rabid right-wing anti-foreigner rags have not picked this story up, not because of fear, but because there is absolutely no evidence.

One thing people need to know is that the rumour of Ibrahim's membership of the muslim brotherhood started from, and continues, with this one blogger with the help from another website called theliberal.ie which none of us have ever heard of.
I have no idea why this blogger is continuing down this path which will inevitably lead to not only his reputation and credibility being destroyed, but it's quite possible, his career too.

I don't believe he is prepared to throw it all away due to some unhealthy obsession with israel and a rose-tinted misguided view he has of israel.

Are we seeing the radicalisation of one individual before our very eyes? Perhaps the rumours that he is on the pay roll of the israeli embassy should be investigated? I have absolutely no idea if the rumours are true or not, but at least the question should be asked.

Jawgap · 23-09-2017 9:46am

Donal55 wrote: »

Ah you've never lived.
'Sun,sea and suspicious parents' anyone?

Well in fairness when my lads wanted to go to Ibiza, I made them bring old, clothes, leave the iPhones, take 3V cards and I gave them a good stash of condoms....and had them pre-sign the form for a lost passport.

I gave them some advice about not getting so off their heads they'd be vulnerable and about sticking together.......I didn't feel it necessary to counsel them against protesting in support of a theocracy......my bad.

maxwell smart · 23-09-2017 10:06am

Jawgap wrote: »

.I didn't feel it necessary to counsel them against protesting in support of a theocracy......my bad.

You did the right thing by saying nothing.

Sure you can't be warning people about stuff that might happen these days, didn't you get that memo? Might outrage social media and get you fired....

rgossip30 · 23-09-2017 10:20am

dav3 wrote: »

Ever since Ibrahim Halawa was acquitted and found not guilty by an Egyptian court, the entire dynamics of this story have changed. Most people waited for this verdict before giving an opinion, but there is absolutely no doubt that he is not guilty of all charges and must be treated as such.

Yet here we have a blogger, currently rearranging the deckchairs for his career and credibility which have recently hit an iceberg, determined to go down with the ship.

The blogger refuses to accept the findings of the Egyptian court, a court more anti-muslim brotherhood than he is.
A regime that made membership of the muslim brotherhood a crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group

A regime that recently acquitted Ibrahim and his sisters of all charges.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/18/irish-egyptian-man-acquitted-four-years-after-cairo-protest-arrest

52 people were acquitted that day. 442 were imprisoned.

The reason why no media outlet is picking up on the blogger's claims that Ibrahim Halawa is a member of the muslim brotherhood...

...is that there is absolutely no evidence. Once again, there is absolutely no evidence in the blog to support this. The most rabid right-wing anti-foreigner rags have not picked this story up, not because of fear, but because there is absolutely no evidence.

One thing people need to know is that the rumour of Ibrahim's membership of the muslim brotherhood started from, and continues, with this one blogger with the help from another website called theliberal.ie which none of us have ever heard of.
I have no idea why this blogger is continuing down this path which will inevitably lead to not only his reputation and credibility being destroyed, but it's quite possible, his career too.

I don't believe he is prepared to throw it all away due to some unhealthy obsession with israel and a rose-tinted misguided view he has of israel.

Are we seeing the radicalisation of one individual before our very eyes? Perhaps the rumours that he is on the pay roll of the israeli embassy should be investigated? I have absolutely no idea if the rumours are true or not, but at least the question should be asked.

http://markhumphrys.com/halawa.html

What is your opinion of this web page ?

http://markhumphrys.com/blog.html An update .

First Up · 23-09-2017 10:22am

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

Christians do not have to accept those who wish to harm or conquer them.

Neither do anyone else.

humphrys · 23-09-2017 10:25am

dav3 wrote: »

Ever since Ibrahim Halawa was acquitted and found not guilty by an Egyptian court, the entire dynamics of this story have changed. Most people waited for this verdict before giving an opinion, but there is absolutely no doubt that he is not guilty of all charges and must be treated as such.

Yet here we have a blogger, currently rearranging the deckchairs for his career and credibility which have recently hit an iceberg, determined to go down with the ship.

The blogger refuses to accept the findings of the Egyptian court, a court more anti-muslim brotherhood than he is.
A regime that made membership of the muslim brotherhood a crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/25/egypt-declares-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-group

A regime that recently acquitted Ibrahim and his sisters of all charges.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/18/irish-egyptian-man-acquitted-four-years-after-cairo-protest-arrest

52 people were acquitted that day. 442 were imprisoned.

The reason why no media outlet is picking up on the blogger's claims that Ibrahim Halawa is a member of the muslim brotherhood...

...is that there is absolutely no evidence. Once again, there is absolutely no evidence in the blog to support this. The most rabid right-wing anti-foreigner rags have not picked this story up, not because of fear, but because there is absolutely no evidence.

One thing people need to know is that the rumour of Ibrahim's membership of the muslim brotherhood started from, and continues, with this one blogger with the help from another website called theliberal.ie which none of us have ever heard of.
I have no idea why this blogger is continuing down this path which will inevitably lead to not only his reputation and credibility being destroyed, but it's quite possible, his career too.

I don't believe he is prepared to throw it all away due to some unhealthy obsession with israel and a rose-tinted misguided view he has of israel.

Are we seeing the radicalisation of one individual before our very eyes? Perhaps the rumours that he is on the pay roll of the israeli embassy should be investigated? I have absolutely no idea if the rumours are true or not, but at least the question should be asked.

Dear anonymous "dav3". Let me dismantle your disgraceful post about me.

1. I have no problem with the findings of the Egyptian court. I never claimed that the charges were true. Ever.

2. He was not charged with supporting the MB. That was obvious. The trial would last a minute. He was charged with more serious crimes.

3. As for whether Ibrahim counts as a "supporter" or a "member" of the MB, it depends on definitions. He took part in the MB protests for 6 weeks, spoke on stage to MB crowds, cited in his speech two MB leaders, and again spoke on video with the MB diehards inside the mosque. So is he a "supporter" or a "member" of the MB? Does he have an actual "membership" card? Who knows. Does the MB even do membership cards?

4. Nothing you have said or the court said disproved the mountain of evidence that the Halawas supported the MB.

5. You claim no one has picked up the story that the Halawas are MB and it comes just from my blog. This is nonsense, and I made out a section just for you:
People who say Clonskeagh is Muslim Brotherhood
http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html#people.say.mb
People who say Clonskeagh is Muslim Brotherhood include RTE Prime Time, US diplomatic cables, The Wall Street Journal, and two leading Irish imams. Good enough for you?

6. Your delight at the idea of critics of Halawa being censored by the law is contemptible.

7. As for your comments about radicalisation and Israel, how about having the courage to make these comments under your real name?

Ibrahim Halawa acquited(mod warning in op-Heed it)

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