2018 Leaf

n97 mini · 20-09-2017 10:29PM

unkel wrote: »

Commercial Landcruiser Amazon costs €100k incl VAT

Linky

About the same price as the Model X

Obviously not saying every farmer has a 4WD €100k vehicle, but back then the number of these parked in the Phoenix Park during the protest was striking. Is all I'm saying.

Not sure that's right. Looks like it's the non-commercial 7 seater that costs 100k.

cros13 · 20-09-2017 11:17PM

Uh... is this the landcruiser thread now?

20-09-2017 11:21PM

Ah lads come on......

Shefwedfan · 21-09-2017 08:44AM

cros13 wrote: »

Uh... is this the landcruiser thread now?

It's more exciting than Leaf 2018 which is a bit of a non event to be honest:P

ELM327 · 21-09-2017 08:58AM

cros13 wrote: »

Uh... is this the landcruiser thread now?

My landcruiser gets 40 rods to the hogs head and that's the way I likes it.

positron · 21-09-2017 10:32AM

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who_ru · 21-09-2017 11:52AM

The more I look at the development of the super charger network by tesla, a worldwide network, I am less certain in committing to a Leaf. The Leaf will never be able to charge at these places.

A supercharger location could have as many as 20 stalls to charge, meaning you are unlikely, but no impossible, to have to wait to charge.

https://youtu.be/m0mytJS_DxM

21-09-2017 11:54AM

You're not going to need to charge a lot though ?

Water John · 21-09-2017 12:14PM

You can look at Tesla as the Apple of the EVs. It's own unique way. That doesn't mean Android is defunct. Its almost a lifestyle choice.

Shefwedfan · 21-09-2017 02:18PM

who_ru wrote: »

The more I look at the development of the super charger network by tesla, a worldwide network, I am less certain in committing to a Leaf. The Leaf will never be able to charge at these places.

A supercharger location could have as many as 20 stalls to charge, meaning you are unlikely, but no impossible, to have to wait to charge.

https://youtu.be/m0mytJS_DxM

The issue with Tesla is by the time you get to order a Tesla 3 it will be obsolete. They can't meet supply like VW/Nissan etc.....

If you reserve a Tesla 3 today you will get option to buy it in 2020. At that stage Leaf 2.5 will probably be released, the VW I.D. will be released plus all other electric cars. The Tesla 3 will be old news......plus I am sure some smart man will come up with a convertor

cros13 · 21-09-2017 02:28PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

At that stage Leaf 2.5 will probably be released, the VW I.D. will be released plus all other electric cars. The Tesla 3 will be old news.....r

All of those together won't be available in anything near the quantity of the Model 3.

2020 is only three years away. If they were building anything close to the battery manufacturing capacity need to actually compete with Tesla I'd know about it already and they'd be at least close to breaking ground.

Barring a proposal in China with questionable financial resources behind it there is nothing on the board beyond the current players doubling production (and even added together that's not even in the ballpark of where Tesla/Panasonic alone will be in 2020).

KCross · 21-09-2017 02:53PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The issue with Tesla is by the time you get to order a Tesla 3 it will be obsolete. They can't meet supply like VW/Nissan etc.....

Obsolete in what way? Range, Design, everything?

I don't think it will.

They have the over the air software updates so they can keep refreshing the features and auto pilot etc at will. The other automakers haven't event got that yet so Tesla are ahead.

The range will be down to what battery size you pay for rather than it being a case of obsolete. If you want the 75kWh version in 2020 you can have it but you pay more for it. The "60kWh" Leaf won't be cheap either.

Cars usually have about a 7yr cycle and the Model 3 will really only start hitting the roads in 2018 so that takes it to 2025 before its really considered obsolete.

And of course the elephant in the room.... battery manufacturing capability. cros13 replied on that. All we have so far from all the other manufacturers is just vapourware and promises. They are swinging the lead so I won't believe that all these new EV's for the common man will be on the road until I see them on an Irish road.... Im sure there will be plenty €50k+ EV's but thats not mass market.

ELM327 · 21-09-2017 03:35PM

KCross wrote: »

Obsolete in what way? Range, Design, everything?

I don't think it will.

They have the over the air software updates so they can keep refreshing the features and auto pilot etc at will. The other automakers haven't event got that yet so Tesla are ahead.

The range will be down to what battery size you pay for rather than it being a case of obsolete. If you want the 75kWh version in 2020 you can have it but you pay more for it. The "60kWh" Leaf won't be cheap either.

Cars usually have about a 7yr cycle and the Model 3 will really only start hitting the roads in 2018 so that takes it to 2025 before its really considered obsolete.

And of course the elephant in the room.... battery manufacturing capability. cros13 replied on that. All we have so far from all the other manufacturers is just vapourware and promises. They are swinging the lead so I won't believe that all these new EV's for the common man will be on the road until I see them on an Irish road.... Im sure there will be plenty €50k+ EV's but thats not mass market.

Agree. The model S has been around since 2012 and available in LHD since 2014. Only the very early models are obsolete now, the pre AP1 hardware cars. The prefacelift/AP1 cars are not obsolete, merely dated.

unkel · 21-09-2017 05:14PM

KCross wrote: »

Obsolete in what way? Range, Design, everything?

I don't think it will.

+1

No EVs driving around now will be obsolete in 2020. Not even a very early Leaf with a compromised battery will be obsolete. These Leafs will be around for a very long time as ideal and cheap second family cars needing nothing but a bit of cheap fuel to keep them going.

lob020 · 21-09-2017 08:17PM

On different issue.who are the best Nissan dealers in the country.Is it possible to order new Leaf now for delivery in Feb ?

cros13 · 21-09-2017 10:24PM

lob020 wrote: »

On different issue.who are the best Nissan dealers in the country.Is it possible to order new Leaf now for delivery in Feb ?

My preferences would be for Windsor Belgard in Dublin or Barlo Kilkenny. Both good dealers doing decent Leaf volumes.

Pricing will be released in October and you'll be able to put in an order as soon as the pricing is out.

thierry14 · 22-09-2017 09:30AM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The issue with Tesla is by the time you get to order a Tesla 3 it will be obsolete. They can't meet supply like VW/Nissan etc.....

If you reserve a Tesla 3 today you will get option to buy it in 2020. At that stage Leaf 2.5 will probably be released, the VW I.D. will be released plus all other electric cars. The Tesla 3 will be old news......plus I am sure some smart man will come up with a convertor

VW/ Autogiants marketing departments are doing a great job if you believe the crap they are coming out with and the concepts lol

They are years behind, they are so far behind with battery production its insane.

They will be promoting concepts still in 2020 while Tesla have a milion EV's on the road

They needed to invest billions years ago

VW needed to say here LG, heres an order for 1 million packs we need for 2019 in 2015 and 1m x 8000e

8 billion upfront in 2015 or a min a good chunk of it to show LG, Samsung, Panosonic etc they are serious

They didnt, Tesla did and Autogiants are going to feel that pain big time if EV demand explodes

Only Tesla can are in a posiion to supply cars

Its 2018 now nearly and others havent even broken ground on new plants for battery production

Its Teslas to lose now

BoatMad · 22-09-2017 02:53PM

thierry14 wrote: »

VW/ Autogiants marketing departments are doing a great job if you believe the crap they are coming out with and the concepts lol

They are years behind, they are so far behind with battery production its insane.

They will be promoting concepts still in 2020 while Tesla have a milion EV's on the road

They needed to invest billions years ago

VW needed to say here LG, heres an order for 1 million packs we need for 2019 in 2015 and 1m x 8000e

8 billion upfront in 2015 or a min a good chunk of it to show LG, Samsung, Panosonic etc they are serious

They didnt, Tesla did and Autogiants are going to feel that pain big time if EV demand explodes

Only Tesla can are in a posiion to supply cars

Its 2018 now nearly and others havent even broken ground on new plants for battery production

Its Teslas to lose now

We shall see , is tesla the compaq or the Apple of EVs ????

We shall see. The auto giants are not going to go without a serious fight

KCross · 27-09-2017 12:48PM

"confirmation" that the long range Leaf next year(in reality probably Jan 2019) would be a 60kWh battery with 225 mile range(presumably EPA since its a US video):

Interesting to see in that video as well that they had the vehicle to home system connected and some historic EV's (EV1 etc).

Worth a look.

27-09-2017 12:54PM

It's a shame they didn't have a 60 Kwh for 2018. I wonder will this 60 Kwh be the MK II ?

One thing that really, really annoys me is that they carried over the exact same horrifically bad sounding BOSE system, yes it really is that bad.

I test drove my Brothers new A3 with Bang And Olufsen system and the difference is immediately noticeable and really makes the BOSE in the leaf sound extra bad. The Bang And Olufsen sounds amazing !!!

So my greatest complaint about the MK 1.5 Leaf is the BOSE , seriously Nissan, you really got to listen to a good sounding system and understand that BOSE are not a HiFi quality company !!!!!

unkel · 27-09-2017 01:10PM

I've heard that if you fade more to the back speakers and turn both bass & treble up quite high, it's better. You try that?

It's unfortunate that a company with a good reputation like Bose, seems to have installed a sub-standard system in the Leaf

27-09-2017 02:06PM

unkel wrote: »

I've heard that if you fade more to the back speakers and turn both bass & treble up quite high, it's better. You try that?

It's unfortunate that a company with a good reputation like Bose, seems to have installed a sub-standard system in the Leaf

BOSE have a good reputation, but certainly not for HiFi sound quality.

Yes I've adjusted the bass and treble, but it makes it worse. The Sub is horrible and causes more of a boom than actual bass so the more baas you add the worse it sounds. The sub is tiny and subs need to be large so it has to try and operate at frequencies that is not possible by the laws of physics. At least it should try move as much air as possible, dual long throw woofers would greatly help also being actively powered rather than the weak power form the head unit.

It's not all about the Sub, Much better door speakers and tweeters wouldn't go astray.

I think if I were to live with the MK 1.5 for 3 more years with the BOSE that I would have to replace the Audio system.

It would actually turn me off buying it as it is, I like my music and I like quality and the BOSE in the Leaf is extremely poor sounding.

ainsyjnr · 28-09-2017 07:05AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

BOSE have a good reputation, but certainly not for HiFi sound quality.

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It would actually turn me off buying it as it is, I like my music and I like quality and the BOSE in the Leaf is extremely poor sounding.

Really? I was going to splash out on leather seats and bose system! I haven't seen any specs that say it's a better system though.

Might be better to save my money, get the cold pack & propilot and live with cloth.

peposhi · 28-09-2017 07:24AM

ainsyjnr wrote: »

Really? I was going to splash out on leather seats and bose system! I haven't seen any specs that say it's a better system though.

Might be better to save my money, get the cold pack & propilot and live with cloth.

It does actually worth, speaking of experience. And I was VERY anti-leather and heated seats all my life.
As for the BOSE - that can easily be upgraded. It does sound OK for the average driver with hearing issues like myself lol

28-09-2017 09:27AM

ainsyjnr wrote: »

Really? I was going to splash out on leather seats and bose system! I haven't seen any specs that say it's a better system though.

Might be better to save my money, get the cold pack & propilot and live with cloth.

I wouldn't not splash out on the top spec just because of the BOSE but it would be nice if they offered it as an option and perhaps a proper quality audio option in the future.

n97 mini · 28-09-2017 10:20AM

The BOSE system sounds fine to me, just not when using Bluetooth.

isnottheword · 28-09-2017 01:59PM

Im also underwhelmed by the BOSE sound system. However I have to say the leather is the draw for me - so much easier to keep clean. Heated seats - I have not used them yet - I guess thats going to be a nice feature come winter. Otherwise - not that bothered about any of the other SVE features. 4x cameras - meh - nice but as a single option I probably wouldnt pay for it unless it was priced attractively.

Options would be nicer but Im sure Nissan know what they are doing by wrapping that whole package together!

28-09-2017 02:44PM

I think the Bose audio when listening at the front seats could be described subtle and is fine even streaming and I dig the LED headlamps on SVE too. I think it's closer to traditional hi-fi that I'm used to as opposed to exaggerated megabass etc. On many "hi-fi" the bass is absolutely ridiculous imo.

Rear speakers are pure dirt though.

What I really would like to improve are the interior materials. The leather in my '15 feels like plastic and is not very good quality. But yes, it's easy to keep clean. I actually think that the standard fabric feels better.

cros13 · 28-09-2017 03:28PM

samih wrote: »

What I really would like to improve are the interior materials. The leather in my '15 feels like plastic and is not very good quality. But yes, it's easy to keep clean. I actually think that the standard fabric feels better.

Many of the materials in the new leaf have been improved all right.

Water John · 28-09-2017 04:46PM

A warm bottom, is very nice in the winter. Hardly need to heat the car, at all.

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