2018 Leaf

Soarer

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't be expecting a 60 Kwh Leaf in December 2018.

I was contemplating waiting but I'm not going to, I'll get the updated Leaf when it's available and might trade again whenever the 60 Kwh comes out with more power.

Thinking something similar myself.

Maybe get into the new one for a cheap as possible, and then go balls out on the 60kWh/Nismo version.

Sounds like a plan ! :-)

who_ru

A lot of this discussion seems to suggest buying a 40kwh 2018 Leaf early next year might not be the best move financially. 'If it suits your needs etc yeah fine' but if there is a likelihood of intensifying competition in the ev market then that could benefit consumers.

The grants available for buying an EV may not last forever but we'll see.

"Don't buy this one as in 12 months time there will be a better car in market."

220 Kms driving hard on the motorway ( estimated 130 Kph) - 280 kms estimated driving 80-100 Kph. not bad really. The EPA test should tell more but you'll be able to do better than that and of course worse but it should give an indication compared to the current leaf as to how much more efficient it is.

80% charge in 40 mins is a lot better than I get in the 24 Kwh Leaf, a lot considering it has twice the battery capacity.

Sure I would like to have more range when I need it but it's a lot better than what I have right now which is a pain if I need to do a longer trip, having over twice the range is a big deal for me.

Think of it like this, when I'd have 50% charge left that would be 0 in the 24 Kwh Leaf. Or when I got 100% charge would be 50% in the 24 Kwh Leaf.

The 40 kWh (usable?) range will feel like a huge bump compared to 21 kWh usable our current LEAF has. We holidayed in Connemara last weekend and over there a range of up to 250 km would have been really welcome. Luckily for us the only working public charging point in the area decided to work on the second attempt but we would have been relegated to the kindness of strangers if that had not been the case.

Unless the cost of change is prohibitive we will definitely upgrade to this or maybe an IONIQ next year. It looks like the latter will still have an upper hand in efficiency and charging speeds. Also CCS charging might turn out to be more future proof going forward. But as the eCars network stands today a ChaDeMo looks like a safer bet in the near term. Let's hope ~7 kW AC will be a standard equipment with LEAF going forward.

Rumoured to 40 Kwh to be usable, unconfirmed. Even 38 Kwh is going to make a lot of difference to a 24 Kwh Leaf owner with 21 Kwh usable and especially for 2011-13 owners which will have suffered some capacity loss.

Even if the Ioniq had 30 Kms more range next year I'd still get the Leaf for the 150 HP , it will make a nice difference.

thierry14

[Deleted User] wrote: »

220 Kms driving hard on the motorway ( estimated 130 Kph) - 280 kms estimated driving 80-100 Kph. not bad really. The EPA test should tell more but you'll be able to do better than that and of course worse but it should give an indication compared to the current leaf as to how much more efficient it is.

80% charge in 40 mins is a lot better than I get in the 24 Kwh Leaf, a lot considering it has twice the battery capacity.

Sure I would like to have more range when I need it but it's a lot better than what I have right now which is a pain if I need to do a longer trip, having over twice the range is a big deal for me.

Think of it like this, when I'd have 50% charge left that would be 0 in the 24 Kwh Leaf. Or when I got 100% charge would be 50% in the 24 Kwh Leaf.

220km @ 130kph

Not a chance madlad

Even the Model 3 and Ioniq will be using close to 20Kwh/100km at that speed

Leaf 2 probably over 20Kwh

I'd say 190km max at that speed, its not a motorway car with the drag it has.

Well Motorway is 99% of my driving at 130 Kph for about 120 of my 140 Km commute. The rest 110-120 either way a big improvement.

waraf

Has anyone any idea of how much the new leaf will cost in Ireland? (sorry if this was asked already, it's a very long thread and I haven't read it all)

Soarer

waraf wrote: »

Has anyone any idea of how much the new leaf will cost in Ireland? (sorry if this was asked already, it's a very long thread and I haven't read it all)

Roughly the same price as the current Leaf.

Soarer

samih wrote: »

The 40 kWh (usable?) range will feel like a huge bump compared to 21 kWh usable our current LEAF has. We holidayed in Connemara last weekend and over there a range of up to 250 km would have been really welcome. Luckily for us the only working public charging point in the area decided to work on the second attempt but we would have been relegated to the kindness of strangers if that had not been the case.

Unless the cost of change is prohibitive we will definitely upgrade to this or maybe an IONIQ next year. It looks like the latter will still have an upper hand in efficiency and charging speeds. Also CCS charging might turn out to be more future proof going forward. But as the eCars network stands today a ChaDeMo looks like a safer bet in the near term. Let's hope ~7 kW AC will be a standard equipment with LEAF going forward.

I've a 24kWh Leaf with only 85% capacity, so imagine what the new 40kWh Leaf will do for me!

I hope they have Leafs available for test at dealers soon. Probably November I'd say.

huggs2

I was at the ploughing championships yesterday and the new leaf was not on the Nissan stand.I thought they might have brought a leaf 2 from Japan to show off.
I am sick of waiting though and i am seriously thinking of getting a leaf when they arrive her in feb. Disappointed the new leaf will not do more that 200 miles.I did sit down and think of all the places i might want to go to and i can reach them all and return home without any charging involved on the 150 mile range of the leaf 2.Its 6 months away before i can buy one though and the way the EV landscape is changing so fast it might be a different scene then.Tesla were showing off their model x. The guy there said the model 3 would be available in Ireland in 2 years time.

ELM327

huggs2 wrote: »

I was at the ploughing championships yesterday and the new leaf was not on the Nissan stand.I thought they might have brought a leaf 2 from Japan to show off.
I am sick of waiting though and i am seriously thinking of getting a leaf when they arrive her in feb. Disappointed the new leaf will not do more that 200 miles.I did sit down and think of all the places i might want to go to and i can reach them all and return home without any charging involved on the 150 mile range of the leaf 2.Its 6 months away before i can buy one though and the way the EV landscape is changing so fast it might be a different scene then.Tesla were showing off their model x. The guy there said the model 3 would be available in Ireland in 2 years time.

The model x is the ideal car for a farmer currently driving a discovery. IMO.
Probably got some great sales (or at least planted the idea) for the model X at that show.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

The model x is the ideal car for a farmer currently driving a discovery. IMO.
Probably got some great sales (or at least planted the idea) for the model X at that show.

Except the Model X is about 2-3 times the price!

Not too many farmers driving €100k+ cars so I'd guess they got zero sales but loads of tyre kickers!

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Not too many farmers driving €100k+ cars so I'd guess they got zero sales but loads of tyre kickers!

Take away their dodgy diesel supply and see how fast they will switch :pac:

Not too long ago I remember a farmers protest in the Phoenix Park and the most common car there was a Toyota Landcruiser Amazon, costing the guts of €100k (incl VAT)

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Take away their dodgy diesel supply and see how fast they will switch :pac:

Not too long ago I remember a farmers protest in the Phoenix Park and the most common car there was a Toyota Landcruiser Amazon, costing the guts of €100k (incl VAT)

Really?

I sense an anti farmer bias there @unkel!

Anyway, 2018 Leaf eh!

cros13

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope they have Leafs available for test at dealers soon. Probably November I'd say.

I was told December arrival for the showroom units by Nissan.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

Except the Model X is about 2-3 times the price!

Not too many farmers driving €100k+ cars so I'd guess they got zero sales but loads of tyre kickers!

Yes but if you include 3-5 years of white diesel costs it's cheaper.
My family are farmers in Roscommon and they have a landcruiser (and some PCP skodas), if you are willing to pay 80k for a landcruiser a model x will work out much cheaper than that.

huggs2

cros13 wrote: »

I was told December arrival for the showroom units by Nissan.

Sales at Nissan Ireland told me they don't expect the Leaf 2 to arrive in this country until Feb. 2018.

KCross

huggs2 wrote: »

Sales at Nissan Ireland told me they don't expect the Leaf 2 to arrive in this country until Feb. 2018.

I guess demo models in the showroom for December and available to you in Feb 2018.

Soarer

cros13 wrote: »

I was told December arrival for the showroom units by Nissan.

huggs2 wrote: »

Sales at Nissan Ireland told me they don't expect the Leaf 2 to arrive in this country until Feb. 2018.

Ye're probably both right.

Demo models in November. Customer cars February.

cros13

12 days ago:

cros13 wrote: »

Anyways.. back OT



Official word from Nissan is that a small number of demo/showroom cars will arrive in late December with the first cars reaching new owners in February due to other markets getting priority over Ireland.

*cough*

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Really?

I sense an anti farmer bias there @unkel!

Nah, I remember the pictures, I think they even made it to the RTE news. Farmers giving out about something or other that they were very poor. And then loads of new and nearly new expensive 4WD trucks. Was a while ago though, probably around the height of the celtic tiger.

Falcon L

cros13 wrote: »

12 days ago:



*cough*

And I can confirm that is exactly what I was told by a couple of dealers.

Well it is nearly October after all so I don't expect deliveries either until February , that's all going smoothly.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

Nah, I remember the pictures, I think they even made it to the RTE news. Farmers giving out about something or other that they were very poor. And then loads of new and nearly new expensive 4WD trucks. Was a while ago though, probably around the height of the celtic tiger.

Farmers dont drive trucks....only tractors

In reference to your main point, you will find farmers do drive Toyota Landcruiser but the commercial version. The commercial is 33k plus 7k VAT and some of them will be able to claim the VAT back. So it costs 33k. So not too far off the cost of a Leaf....I know which one I would pick

Just wanted to clear that up

unkel

Commercial Landcruiser Amazon costs €100k incl VAT

Linky

About the same price as the Model X

Obviously not saying every farmer has a 4WD €100k vehicle, but back then the number of these parked in the Phoenix Park during the protest was striking. Is all I'm saying.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

Commercial Landcruiser Amazon costs €100k incl VAT

Linky

About the same price as the Model X

Obviously not saying every farmer has a 4WD €100k vehicle, but back then the number of these parked in the Phoenix Park during the protest was striking. Is all I'm saying.

The only 100k model I see if the 7 seater version which from the majority of farmers I know they would not drive....they buy land cruiser for pulling power and space in back....not to seat the kids etc......cattle feed and tools are priority.....

The LWB standard spec would be the work horse and favorite..


We are a mile off topic now