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Is Boards.ie Extremely Right-Wing?

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    #152
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I don't know, but least you not denying the photographs show healthy looking Jewish people at Belsen, it's a start.

    A start to what? Where do you posting these two photographs lead to?


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    #153
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Ulysses Gaze wrote: »
    But you arbitrarily dismissed the years of research of an Historian who was given unprecedented access to Chinese Government archives on the benevolent Chairman Mao and the Great Leap Forward because he was Dutch.....and reported that Mao and Co were much like Stalin, that other Atheist Communist scumbag who killed millions of his people for "Progress".

    Neither Mao nor Stalin gave a **** about the people.

    This is historical view of Great Leap Forward. There was nothing sinister about he's plan.

    "The campaign was led by Chairman Mao Zedong and aimed to rapidly transform the country from an agrarian economy into a socialist society through rapid industrialization and collectivization."

    "The Great Leap Forward was an effort made by the Communist Party of China (CPC) under the leadership of Mao Zedong (also known as Mao Tse-tung) to transform China into a society capable of competing with other industrialized nations, within a short, five-year time period"


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    #154
    Annasopra
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    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    Apologies, that many threads where a poster makes a reference to the dole.

    Nope. There are not 25850 threads about the dole in After Hours.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #155
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You should have stopped after the first 3 words of that post. Stop yourself from embarrassing yourself further.

    there were more than 10,000 people moved to bergen-belsen in the month before it was liberated. They were much healthier than the camps existing inhabitants. These are the healthy people you see. though healthy is a relative term. What do you think those couple of photos actually show?

    Provide a source for this and how did you arrive at this conclusion. Where did those prisoners arrive from?


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    #156
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,167 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Thinly veiled attempt to get new followers.


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    #157
    ohnonotgmail
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Provide a source for this and how did you arrive at this conclusion. Where did those prisoners arrive from?

    Mittelbau-Dora camp, a sub-camp of buchenwald. What do you think these photos prove?


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    #158
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    super_furry wrote: »
    A start to what? Where do you posting these two photographs lead to?

    He doesn't question what i showed him! It clear as day some prisoners at Belsen don't look starved or hungry. How many of you even looked this up before i posted those photographs? You just blindly believed what you got told.

    ohnonotgmail claims 10,000 prisoners arrived a month before it got liberated, i waiting for he's evidence for this claim.


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    #159
    prinzeugen
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    Jayop wrote: »
    Really? I've participated in the politics forums for along time and I have never seen anyone carded for giving an opinion. Now if that opinion was racist or something then maybe, but I've even seen plenty of that getting let go in certain threads.

    Really? I have had countless cards/bans for having a different opinion to the bias left wing mods.

    If you don't agree with the mob then you are a troll as far as they are concerned.

    Don't bother now as its a left wing echo chamber.


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    #160
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,286 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    He doesn't question what i showed him! It clear as day some prisoners at Belsen don't look starved or hungry. How many of you even looked this up before i posted those photographs? You just blindly believed what you got told.

    ohnonotgmail claims 10,000 prisoners arrived a month before it got liberated, i waiting for he's evidence for this claim.


    Do you really think you managed to find a couple of photos that disprove the holocaust? Photos that are already well know. Would you like me to post any of hundreds of other photos that show the exact opposite of healthy people?

    I hear david irving is looking for a research assistant. You seem ideally suited.

    ETA: I can give you a source for the transport of large number of people to bergen-belsen in april 1945 but it is a book and it is in german. will that do you?


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    #161
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Do you really think you managed to find a couple of photos that disprove the holocaust? Photos that are already well know. Would you like me to post any of hundreds of other photos that show the exact opposite of healthy people?

    I hear david irving is looking for a research assistant. You seem ideally suited.

    When did i say i did not believe in a Holocust? The Nazis could have wiped out millions of Jews if all i know, but to not ask questions about it, that's dumb least to me. If we are to believe it, the Nazis starved every Jew there was, and beat them everyday mercilessly. There is just something just not right about the story when you see smiling, healthy, well feed kids, and mothers at Belsen.


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    #162
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,286 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    When did i say i did not believe in a Holocust? The Nazis could have wiped out millions of Jews if all i know, but to not ask questions about it, that's dumb least to me. If we are to believe it, the Nazis starved every Jew there was, and beat them everyday mercilessly. There is just something just not right about the story when you see smiling, healthy, well feed kids, and mothers at Belsen.

    It is a good job that boards.ie has such a critical mind examining this conundrum.


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    #163
    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    mohawk wrote: »
    As my history teacher once said about the far-left and far-right is at some point they go full circle and meet in the middle. While this is overly simplistic, in a way both sets of groups have more in common then the rest of us who would be closer to centre.

    This is the real truth. The vast majority of people are closer to the centre than extreme right or left wing.

    The problem is that the loudest people tend to be on the extreme ends of the political spectrum.


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    #164
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    It is a good job that boards.ie has such a critical mind examining this conundrum.

    Post the German book, i sure we have someone to translate it. Is it a book with documented evidence that conclusively shows 10,000 Jewish prisoners arrived at Belsen in April 1945?


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    #165
    ThisRegard
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    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    When did i say i did not believe in a Holocust? The Nazis could have wiped out millions of Jews if all i know, but to not ask questions about it, that's dumb least to me. If we are to believe it, the Nazis starved every Jew there was, and beat them everyday mercilessly. There is just something just not right about the story when you see smiling, healthy, well feed kids, and mothers at Belsen.

    There you go folks. The new low for After Hours.


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    #166
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,286 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Post the German book, i sure we have someone to translate it. Is it a book with documented evidence that conclusively shows 10,000 Jewish prisoners arrived at Belsen in April 1945?

    But the person translating it could be lying to you?


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    #167
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    But the person translating it could be lying to you?

    There is google translator, i sure i find out what it said. Just copy and paste the page and and we see if your 10,000 Jewish prisoners holds up to scrutiny


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    #168
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/884753135893446656

    The longer this thread goes on, the more appropriate this tweet seems.


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    #169
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,779 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Its just the typical extremist left/right logic if your not 100% with us your against us.


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    #170
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,286 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Post the German book, i sure we have someone to translate it. Is it a book with documented evidence that conclusively shows 10,000 Jewish prisoners arrived at Belsen in April 1945?

    this will have to do you. From the website for the buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora memorial foundation. They do have an english translation but it is crap. It reads like it was ran through google translate.

    Or do you think they are lying as well?


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    #171
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,286 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    super_furry wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/884753135893446656

    The longer this thread goes on, the more appropriate this tweet seems.

    Certainly some posts that wouldn't seem out of place on stormfront


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    #172
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There you go folks. The new low for After Hours.

    I know am so horrible for wanting to debate history and the Jewish Holocust. I already said Nazis are to blame for any Jewish death at any concentration camp. I not disputing the Nazis are disgusting human beings.

    What i am open to is discussing the living conditions of the camps and did Nazis truly gas and mass murder millions of Jews and starve them to death?

    There is some irregularities and it's the reason i posted those photograph of Jewish prisoners at Belsen in 1945. It's not lke we are thought they found a camp full of starving Jews and they are all dying of starvation!


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    #173
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    this will have to do you. From the website for the buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora memorial foundation. They do have an english translation but it is crap. It reads like it was ran through google translate.

    Or do you think they are lying as well?

    Can you just post a link to the site, it be easier as i don't exactly what site and page you looking at.,


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    #174
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,834 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I know am so horrible for wanting to debate history and the Jewish Holocust.

    You're actually questioning the 'holocust'.


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    #175
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,322 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I know am so horrible for wanting to debate history and the Jewish Holocust. I already said Nazis are to blame for any Jewish death at any concentration camp. I not disputing the Nazis are disgusting human beings.

    What i am open to is discussing the living conditions of the camps and did Nazis truly gas and mass murder millions of Jews and starve them to death?

    There is some irregularities and it's the reason i posted those photograph of Jewish prisoners at Belsen in 1945. It's not lke we are thought they found a camp full of starving Jews and they are all dying of starvation!

    Don't really want to be doing a mod's job here, but fcuk it. The topic at hand is " Is Boards.ie Extremely Right-Wing?"

    The history forum is here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=330


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    #176
    Ken.
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    mod-thread reopened


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    #177
    Academic
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭Academic


    Conspectus wrote: »
    mod-thread reopened

    I liked it better when it was closed ... ;)


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    #178
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There you go folks. The new low for After Hours.
    Aye but it can be taken apart on nearly every level as BS of the finest quality. Better to do so too.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #179
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Aye but it can be taken apart on nearly every level as BS of the finest quality. Better to do so too.

    Please don't waste your time...It's better spent elsewhere.

    Poster has gone full retard(hate that phrase but hey ho)


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    #180
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I'll give it a go...
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    I did not need a lecture or a history lesson.
    Clearly you do. All too clearly.
    Are you just posting this to support a case against me?
    Hate to break it to you Ted, but that's precisely what debate means. I suspect that may rankle, but there it is.
    The Nazis used ordinary commercially build trains to transport the Jews to camps. There was nothing 'special' about the trains used by the Nazis. Over-dramatic nonsense.
    You Sir are woefully ignorant on the matter. Sonderzoge(SP?) were a specific type of train and train schedule. Look it up. Read more. Get out of your own head space.
    People claim 6 million Jews died. We can argue though about the numbers as we have official population numbers for jews in Europe prior to WW2 and after the war finished.
    Actually "we" don't. That's the space where the muppet deniers and the muppet exaggerators live.
    And we know Jews migrated to safer countries (about 2 million) and many more died due to natural causes, during war, and because of the war, and other natural reasons during this time period.
    Natural causes. Fcuk me. :rolleyes:
    Since you picked out Belsen and this video was taken when the camp got liberated in 1945.. If the Nazis starved people to death, daily.

    My question would be: Why do these kids at the start of the video look fresh faced and healthy and are still wearing their normal clothes?
    Your "argument" and I use the term loosely - like how politicians approach the term "argument" - is predicated on your previously demonstrated ignorance of the matter. Belsen was constantly populated by new arrivals. This was happening as the whole edifice of Nazism was crumbling around them. Especially then. they had new arrivals and older denizens, hence the disparity. A disparity that was noted at the time. Again in about the most documented and observed camp of all.
    Some people, do look starved and others look healthy, it's curious.
    Only if you're woefully misinformed.
    There is pictures of mass graves and this could be evidence of mass killing or just people dying of disease and hunger?
    There are.
    But i never seen anyone address the videos that show healthy looking people at Belsen behind barbed wire?
    I never saw. I'm no grammar nazi(I bloody despise the type and avoid them in company), but your grasp of language is indicative of your grasp of well recorded pretty objective history.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    There seems to be tendency towards anti-science in some of the more right wing posters too.
    To be fair S, you can find that broscience/chickthink at either end of the spectrum.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    When did i say i did not believe in a Holocust? The Nazis could have wiped out millions of Jews if all i know, but to not ask questions about it, that's dumb least to me.
    At least here we are in some agreement. I have zero issue with examining that period of time. I most certainly have objections to the more recent and increasing objection to any questioning, even legal restrictions in doing so(EG in Germany itself). However that doesn't mean we should go full retard.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #181
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    Please don't waste your time...It's better spent elsewhere.

    Poster has gone full retard(hate that phrase but hey ho)
    Sure G, but IMHO anyway, I think it better to shine a light on daftness, rather than ignore, or worse censure/censor it. If we do the latter, it all too often gives too much succour to the conspiracy nuts. And then where would we be? That's one reason why I'm so against the German law(and general objection) against any critique of this part of history. The truth will out, so let it.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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