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Season 7 Episode 5 "Eastwatch" - "Book readers"

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  • 11-08-2017 10:26pm
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    Nody
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    Note anything after this post may contain spoilers for the episode; do not read or open this thread until you have watched the whole episode!!!

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    EagererBeaver
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    Here we go!


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    #3
    EagererBeaver
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    No. No no no no no. He was sinking to the depths. ****ing explain it properly!


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    Icemancometh
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    Surprised Dickon is gone so quickly, thought he was recast for a bigger role.


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    EagererBeaver
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    I thought they were going to get eaten for a second, which would have been terrifying.


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    EagererBeaver
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    I really hope Gendry's angle here is an invention of Benioff and Weiss rather than GRRM. Clumsy, cheesy and forced.


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    EagererBeaver
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    Aaaaannnnd there it is. Annulment and remarriage. Go on Bran, go take a proper look in the past.


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    ZeitgeistGlee
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    I genuinely thought Sam was going to stop mid-rant and ask Gilly to repeat what she'd just said when she mentioned Rhaegar.


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    Savage Tyrant
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    Davos to Gendry "I thought you might still be rowing"
    Didn't we all Davos. Didn't we all.


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    as_mo_bhosca
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    Savage Tyrant wrote: »
    Davos to Gendry "I thought you might still be rowing"
    Didn't we all Davos. Didn't we all.

    I actually laughed out loud at that line thinking of boards!


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    Also Starring LeVar Burton
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    What a great entourage of characters Jon has with him beyond the wall...


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    EagererBeaver
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    Also Starring LeVar Burton wrote: »
    What a great entourage of characters Jon has with him beyond the wall...

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    wp_rathead
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    Ya now what, never thought I'd say this but **** Ayra in this episode. She pissed me right off- what did she expect Sansa to do?!
    Also I'm guessing this is the letter she "found"- (LF the shnake)

    ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »
    I genuinely thought Sam was going to stop mid-rant and ask Gilly to repeat what she'd just said when she mentioned Rhaegar.

    Infairness, why would he care if Rheagars marriage got annulled? Like we (the viewer) wanted to know more but to Sam it means nothing

    The Gendry stuff was tad cheesy at times but fook it, still enjoyed it.

    Poor Dickon, wish he just knelt- also Varys doesn't seem all too impressed with with Dany


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    Riddle101
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    Was just thinking what name you could give Jon Snow's crew matching beyond the wall. I was thinking something like The Magnificent B*stards which is a play on the Magnificent Seven.

    Now I realize they're not all all b*stards but.... Jon Snow and Gendry speak for themselves. Jorah was exiled, and he dishonored his family. Tormund is a Wildling, and the Brotherhood Without Banners are just rebels now with no real family ties anymore. The Hound doesn't care about his family, and Beric doesn't seem to either. Anyway Magnificent B*stards seems right to me.


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    EagererBeaver
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    wp_rathead wrote: »

    Infairness, why would he care if Rheagars marriage got annulled? Like we (the viewer) wanted to know more but to Sam it means nothing

    Because he's a scholarly man and would understand the significance of the event, and the fact that the wars and reigns that had shaped the realm for 20 odd years arose from a misunderstanding of the facts.


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    bur
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    It was a dumb episode in many ways, it's a dumb plan. There are so many easier, more obvious ways to get a wight than risking the lives of all my favourite characters give or take.
    And even contemplating trusting Cersei? Tyrion has been so disappointing as hand.

    I still loved it though, just for all the character interactions. Jon and Drogon, Gendry, BWB, Jorah.

    Davos continues to be great.

    Tyrion - Last time i was here i killed my father with a crossbow.

    Davos - Last time i was here you killed my son with wild-fire.

    It's all happening too fast really.


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    ardinn
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    Its been mentioned already about the speed but going to and back from kingslanding in one episode is a load of balls - it'd have taken 3 episodes at least u to season 5.

    I also hate the sight of too many good characters going beyond they wall - they aint all coming back thats for sure!!!
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    Riddle101 wrote: »
    Was just thinking what name you could give Jon Snow's crew matching beyond the wall. I was thinking something like The Magnificent B*stards which is a play on the Magnificent Seven.

    Now I realize they're not all all b*stards but.... Jon Snow and Gendry speak for themselves. Jorah was exiled, and he dishonored his family. Tormund is a Wildling, and the Brotherhood Without Banners are just rebels now with no real family ties anymore. The Hound doesn't care about his family, and Beric doesn't seem to either. Anyway Magnificent B*stards seems right to me.

    The Inglorious and the Bastards.


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    Kunkka
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    Good episode, set up a lot for next week. What did the scroll that Ayra read say?


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    EagererBeaver
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    Kunkka wrote: »
    Good episode, set up a lot for next week. What did the scroll that Ayra read say?

    It was the one Cersei made Sansa write in season 1, begging Robb to bend the knee to Joffrey.


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    Daith
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    wp_rathead wrote: »
    Infairness, why would he care if Rheagars marriage got annulled? Like we (the viewer) wanted to know more but to Sam it means nothing

    Agreed and I think this means that really the line of succession stuff (Jon being the true King, etc) is largely meaningless. Jon being half Stark/Targ is important though.

    Other notes

    Why didn't Dany/Tyrion point out that Dany was born in Westeros? That Randyll served her father? Odd omission.

    Dany didn't raise an eyebrow when Tyrion mentioned Jaime. Did Tyrion not tell Dany it was Jaime that was trying to kill her?

    Tyrion breaking down and saying he didn't want to be born that way was heartbreaking. In a season of action and fast moving plot, this was a nice scene and very old school.

    Nice to see Christian Bale appear! Loved the Gendry/Jon/Robert/Nedd similarities.

    Ghost gets mentioned! Kinda like that he's just chilling out in Winterfell instead of dying next week


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    Digital Solitude
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    I wonder what bearing Cersei's pregnancy will carry, given she can't be much more than 2-3 months along. Will the chronological storyline cover another 6-8 months?

    I thought it was a good episode all in, set up a good bit of stuff.

    The final few defiant Lannisters bending the knee when the Tarleys went down was a good moment imo, Dany isn't the ruler she wants to be, yet anyways.

    Is Jon the first person aside from Dany to touch Drogon? That's definitely going to be referred back to when the truth about Jon's lineage comes out.


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    Daith
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    Digital Solitude wrote: »
    Is Jon the first person aside from Dany to touch Drogon? That's definitely going to be referred back to when the truth about Jon's lineage comes out.

    Fairly sure one of Dany's handmaidens picked Drogon up before? I do think Dany saw more to it than that with Jon though.


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    RobbingBandit
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    Sam missing the annulment mention especially seeing as it happened in Dorne perhaps an ode to the Dornish master plan, plot thickens too Gendry and Jon sharing tales of their fathers wonder will it be so amicable when the story turns to the battle of the Trident. Bronn is an absolute beast, Davos too.


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    RobbingBandit
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    One question I have is whete does Sam go next, no one has told him of his father and brother being burnt alive, odds are he didn't take the bowel movement diary so he won't have the written record obviously Bran was there in spirit at Jon's birth but Sam had proof the birth was legitimate so Jon as grandson of Aerys supercedes Dany as he would be next in line as a son of the Prince next in line. All depends if George RR follows right of ascendsion rules or has made up his own.


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    EagererBeaver
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    Daith wrote: »
    Why didn't Dany/Tyrion point out that Dany was born in Westeros? That Randyll served her father? Odd omission.

    I was waiting for that too but two thoughts maybe. Potentially arguable that Westeros refers only to the mainland continent. Secondly, she was off to Pentos as soon as she was born.


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    Daith
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    EagererBeaver wrote: »
    I was waiting for that too but two thoughts maybe. Potentially arguable that Westeros refers only to the mainland continent. Secondly, she was off to Pentos as soon as she was born.

    I think it would just have screwed the whole "foreign invader" aspect they were going for. Randyll probably got bored of bending the knee again. He's the anti-Jon Snow.


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    CMOTDibbler
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    ardinn wrote: »
    Its been mentioned already about the speed but going to and back from kingslanding in one episode is a load of balls - it'd have taken 3 episodes at least u to season 5.
    It took one episode for Ned to get from Winterfell to Kings Landing in season one. Maybe you just didn't realise it was so far back then?


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    Dave0301
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    ardinn wrote: »
    Its been mentioned already about the speed but going to and back from kingslanding in one episode is a load of balls - it'd have taken 3 episodes at least u to season 5

    Honest question, what would you prefer they do instead? Show them plodding along?

    This isn't a series of 24.


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    CMOTDibbler
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    Dave0301 wrote: »
    Honest question, what would you prefer they do instead? Show them plodding along?

    This isn't a series of 24.
    +1. It would be weird to slow the pace down, having nice character building chat scenes over beers and endless shots of different characters en route to wherever it is they're going.


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    The Hound Gone Wild
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    Riddle101 wrote: »
    Was just thinking what name you could give Jon Snow's crew matching beyond the wall. I was thinking something like The Magnificent B*stards which is a play on the Magnificent Seven.

    The Fellowship of the Wight


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