Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

snowflaker · 20-07-2017 09:21PM

Floyd via DQ

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Eyes Down Field · 20-07-2017 11:28PM

Floyd via DQ

hbhook wrote:

I don't disagree but that's most boxing fan's problem with Mayweather. He fought people at the right time for him. He had and probably still has all the gifts and talents to fight and beat most within his weight range but went the least risk max reward route. Which have I no problem with really. But TBE? Nah. Not that I think he's being totally serious with that moniker. For boxing fans Manny Pacquiao in 2010 was the fight for Floyd Mayweather to make. Maybe even 2011 if you think the added delay and more promotion would've helped. It probably wouldn't have made the same amount of money but I don't really care.

I hear people Floyd is not the best ever. But can anyone with knowledge of Mayweather's abilities really say with any confidence that any Lightweight, Welterweight or Light Middleweight with beat him in a 12 round fight. Who would be able to hit him? Who couldn't he score rounds against with his precision counter punching and pin point accuracy, movement and ring craft.

hbhook · 20-07-2017 11:44PM

Floyd via DQ

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

I hear people Floyd is not the best ever. But can anyone with knowledge of Mayweather's abilities really say with any confidence that any Lightweight, Welterweight or Light Middleweight with beat him in a 12 round fight. Who would be able to hit him? Who couldn't he score rounds against with his precision counter punching and pin point accuracy, movement and ring craft.

I think it was Mayweather v Hatton (the promotion) that caught my eye and made me wanna follow boxing although it wasn't really until 2009 when I started watching regularly. So I can't really comment on his earlier career. However, I have heard a lot of people argue that he steered clear of a few fighters in the 2005-2008 period.

Margarito in particular who was making waves. A fresher Mosley. Cotto. Paul Williams. You know that at least two of these guys would have pushed 'Money'. There are question marks over his choice Carlos Baldomir at the time. I realise, as we agree, that money, promoters and especially PPVs come into it for MW. Someone can argue this better than I can I'm sure.

Burial. · 20-07-2017 11:51PM

Floyd via DQ

I'd be all in on Duran, Leonard and Hearns to beat Floyd and rather convincingly. Wilfred Benitez I'd fancy highly at 147 and 154 especially. Mike McCallum would take Floyd at 154. Sweet Pea has a very live chance although realistically it's a coinflip.

hbhook · 20-07-2017 11:58PM

Floyd via DQ

Yeah so, after a little research (praise google) it seems that he turned down a career high offer of $8 million to fight Margarito and instead opted for Baldomir who was also a champ at the time. It was at this time that he bought himself out of his Top Rank contract. Think what you want about what might have been in Margarito's gloves at the time but he had serious stamina and ate punches for fun. Hey, it's Floyd's life!

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 21-07-2017 10:43AM

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

I'd be all in on Duran, Leonard and Hearns to beat Floyd and rather convincingly. Wilfred Benitez I'd fancy highly at 147 and 154 especially. Mike McCallum would take Floyd at 154. Sweet Pea has a very live chance although realistically it's a coinflip.

All if's buts and maybes ...

It's tough to argue against Mayweather with his 49-0.

He's without doubt the best boxer defensively IMO.

walshb · 21-07-2017 11:02AM

Floyd via KO-TKO

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

All if's buts and maybes ...

It's tough to argue against Mayweather with his 49-0.

He's without doubt the best boxer defensively IMO.

I'd argue Toney and Pea better defensively. Toney's shoulder roll and ducking and diving better than Floyd, plus he never fouled or held. He did it all in the rules....Floyd used a lot of holding and bent the rules more.

Just that both these two were also a lot more attacking and offensive than Floyd. If both concentrated more on defense and lessened their offensive output their defense would see them probably get hit less than Floyd.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 21-07-2017 11:04AM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

I'd argue Toney and Pea better defensively. Toney's shoulder roll and ducking and diving better than Floyd, plus he never fouled or held. He did it all in the rules....Floyd used a lot of holding and bent the rules more.

Just that both these two were also a lot more attacking and offensive than Floyd. If both concentrated more on defense and lessened their offensive output their defense would see them probably get hit less than Floyd.

I disagree. But I just dont think we're likely to agree when it comes to Floyd. I think he's one of, if not, the greatest boxers of all time.

blade1 · 21-07-2017 11:09AM

Draw

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

The only people who will be disappointed after this fight will be those who didn't know enough about the 2 fighters, to know what to expect.

Rubbish!
There will be plenty of people want to see it, fully aware that Mayweather is almost on a different planet,boxing skill wise to McGregor.

walshb · 21-07-2017 11:16AM

Floyd via KO-TKO

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: »

I disagree. But I just dont think we're likely to agree when it comes to Floyd. I think he's one of, if not, the greatest boxers of all time.

Yes, but all we are discussing here is defensively. He is excellent on defense. I just think at times it is way over exaggerated.

His over concentration on it I think sometimes fools people into thinking it's the best ever..

When I look at it on its own it is superb, but for me I like to also factor in what he is doing off the defense, and in that scenario I think he falls short of the best ever.. Still solid, mind you.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 21-07-2017 11:18AM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but all we are discussing here is defensively. He is excellent on defense. I just think at times it is way over exaggerated.

His over concentration on it I think sometimes fools people into thinking it's the best ever..

When I look at it on its own it is superb, but for me I like to also factor in what he is doing off the defense, and in that scenario I think he falls short of the bets ever.. Still solid, mind you.

Like I said I disagree, I think he doesnt get hit. He concentrates on defence absolutely and in my view he's almost perfected it. So hence why I think he's the best defensively.

yourdeadwright · 21-07-2017 12:48PM

Floyd via DQ

Anyone heard any news from Conor's sparring ,
I seen a pic with Paulie Mage swinging wildly and Conor is out of his reach with his hands behind his back looking relaxed

akelly02 · 21-07-2017 12:52PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Anyone heard any news from Conor's sparring ,
I seen a pic with Paulie Mage swinging wildly and Conor is out of his reach with his hands behind his back looking relaxed

A well staged picture

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 21-07-2017 12:57PM

Floyd via DQ

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Anyone heard any news from Conor's sparring ,
I seen a pic with Paulie Mage swinging wildly and Conor is out of his reach with his hands behind his back looking relaxed

One thing that we definitely wont see in the fight!

Mayweather swinging wildly.

Eyes Down Field · 21-07-2017 01:06PM

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote:

I'd be all in on Duran, Leonard and Hearns to beat Floyd and rather convincingly. Wilfred Benitez I'd fancy highly at 147 and 154 especially. Mike McCallum would take Floyd at 154. Sweet Pea has a very live chance although realistically it's a coinflip.

I disagree. I would like Floyd's chances against any of those opponents. His defence is too good, He wouldn't Knock them out but he would win rounds.

blade1 wrote:

Rubbish! There will be plenty of people want to see it, fully aware that Mayweather is almost on a different planet,boxing skill wise to McGregor.

But those people won't, be disappointed, They will know that Conor doesn't have the boxing skills to complete with Floyds and it will either be quick stoppage for Floyd or Floyd will jab him for a few rounds and then finish it

ThunderCat · 21-07-2017 01:20PM

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

I agree Mayweather was awesome against Hatton, One of the many masterclasses of his career.

But for me the best example of the Mayweather boxing mastersclass was against Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez is one of the most skilled fighters of the past 20 year, arguably better than Pacquiao and Mayweather made him look like nothing.

Marquez is a counterpuncher that was forced to come forward otherwise no punches would be thrown. The performance is a bit skewed in that sense. Don't forget about Floyds weight in that one either.

ThunderCat · 21-07-2017 01:25PM

Eyes Down Field wrote: »

I hear people Floyd is not the best ever. But can anyone with knowledge of Mayweather's abilities really say with any confidence that any Lightweight, Welterweight or Light Middleweight with beat him in a 12 round fight. Who would be able to hit him? Who couldn't he score rounds against with his precision counter punching and pin point accuracy, movement and ring craft.

I think Thomas Hearns in particular would be Floyds worst nightmare. Also Sugar Ray Leonard I'm confident would have beaten Floyd aswell. Duran would have been a very interesting one. I also think Marvin Hagler and GGG if a catchweight of 154 or so could be reached could beat him and this version of Canelo right now may beat him also at 154.

walshb · 21-07-2017 01:35PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

JMM is a FW/LW at best....

Imagine a SRL or Hearns or SRR or Oscar/Trinidad/Mosley/Forrest/Curry in there at 147 against Marquez? They would have him gone in a few rds tops....

The JMM win was good, but looking at it deeper it was never going to be anything other than a Floyd win. Style and size wise JMM had nothing to bother Floyd with.

Eyes Down Field · 21-07-2017 02:14PM

Floyd via DQ

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote:

One thing that we definitely wont see in the fight!

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote:

Mayweather swinging wildly.

True because he is extremely accurate and efficient on offense. Why swig wild when you can land controlled

ThunderCat wrote:

I think Thomas Hearns in particular would be Floyds worst nightmare. Also Sugar Ray Leonard I'm confident would have beaten Floyd aswell. Duran would have been a very interesting one. I also think Marvin Hagler and GGG if a catchweight of 154 or so could be reached could beat him and this version of Canelo right now may beat him also at 154.

I'm not so sure about that Floyd is a supreme defender but also an very effective and accurate punchers to counter and launch his own offense. I don't believe anyone would land enough to win enough round and none would be able to defend themselves against scoring counters

walshb · 21-07-2017 02:25PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

Hearns has the height, reach, speed and power to keep Floyd honest all night. Hearns won't be suckered and pot shotted all night. He's too good a boxer, and he has the physical tools to beat the clearly shorter Floyd. He actually doesn't have to go for the kill, just needs to box Floyd mid to long range. Floyd will be far too occupied with defending and covering up, and he doesn't have the physicality to impose his own offense. Nor does he have the volume and reach to score all that much.

I see it a one sided beatdown, with Floyd unable to mount any real effective offense. He loses wildly based not so much on getting smacked all night, but by being kept on the backfoot and defending all night.

Hearns is probably Floyd's worst style to face at 147 of all the guys.

Vernon Forrest another one.

In fairness to Floyd he was never a natural WW to begin with.

hbhook · 21-07-2017 02:26PM

Floyd via DQ

JJM was a flabby lightweight when he fought MW. He actually managed his weight properly for Pac 3 and from there on...I watched a particular Toney fight recently that was suggested by someone. Can't think which one it was right now but it really showed how good his upper body movement was...I'll post it if I can remember..

walshb · 21-07-2017 02:27PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

hbhook wrote: »

JJM was a flabby lightweight when he fought MW. He actually managed his weight properly for Pac 3 and from there on...I watched a particular Toney fight recently that was suggested by someone. Can't think which one it was right now but it really showed how good his upper body movement was...I'll post it if I can remember..

Toney-Barkley?

One of boxing's greatest ever displays....

hbhook · 21-07-2017 02:29PM

Floyd via DQ

walshb wrote: »

Toney-Barkley?

One of boxing's greatest ever displays....

It may well have been..

walshb · 21-07-2017 02:33PM

Floyd via KO-TKO

hbhook wrote: »

It may well have been..

Personally I much rather Toney's in your face defense. Stands right in front of you and beats you up whilst defending. No fear. No need to move away or hold or spoil or foul. All beautiful free flowing defending with his upper body and shoulders.... I think he rolls and turns the shoulders better than anyone.

Subcomandante Marcos · 21-07-2017 02:34PM

Floyd via DQ

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Anyone heard any news from Conor's sparring ,
I seen a pic with Paulie Mage swinging wildly and Conor is out of his reach with his hands behind his back looking relaxed

It's a picture of Paulie showing McGregor a step jab to the body as a way of closing distance, while Conor watches from 3 of 4 feet away. They're not live sparring in the photo. He's not even directing it toward McGregor.

Burial. · 21-07-2017 02:40PM

Floyd via DQ

Hearns beats Floyd 100 times out of 100. Hearns at WW had freakish physical advantages. He'd have a 5 inch height advantage and an 8 inch reach advantage against Floyd. To beat Tommy you'd have to be aggressive and in his face, something Floyd was and is never capable of. Hearns could box the ears off anyone when given his way. He'd a fantastic jab and could land some serious bombs with that right hand from range. How could Floyd even counter him when Hearns is landing so far away from him. Floyd would be punching air all night. I reckon Tommy stops Floyd or makes him or his corner quit. Freakish physical advantages combined with great boxing skills and power makes it a nightmare for Floyd. It'd be akin to Andre Ward trying to fight Wladimir Klitschko. No matter how much more skilled and smarter Ward is, Wlad's obvious physical advantages allow him to jab and straight right all night while Ward couldn't even get close. Hearns/Floyd would be equally as much of a mismatch.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 21-07-2017 02:59PM

Floyd via DQ

A look at a couple of those sparring pics, Mayweather will probably have Conor out of there in a couple of rounds. Chin out, arms down.

Outlaw Pete · 21-07-2017 03:15PM

Floyd via DQ

Damn. Good spot. He gave the game away there.

LollipopJimmy · 21-07-2017 03:22PM

Conor's legs look huge at the minute. He always had big legs but they are looking much bigger than usual at the moment, that's not always a good thing in boxing though.
Physically he looks in great nick though, much better than when he was cutting for 145, 155 seems to suit him really well.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 21-07-2017 03:28PM

Floyd via DQ

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Damn. Good spot. He gave the game away there.

he'd have to have game to give it away

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