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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

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  • #2972
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    Have to disagree

    That fight was a masterclass by Mayweather


  • #2973
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,475 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    Have to disagree

    That fight was a masterclass by Mayweather

    From what point was it a masterclass?

    Large parts of the fight were very messy and scrappy. Floyd was made work and foul and hold for a lot of the fight, and free to do so by Cortez, yet when Ricky was up close and trying to work he was admonished.


  • #2974
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    From what point was it a masterclass?

    Large parts of the fight were very messy and scrappy. Floyd was made work and foul and hold for a lot of the fight, and free to do so by Cortez, yet when Ricky was up close and trying to work he was admonished.

    He was 6 rounds up at the time of the stoppage . He battered Hatton and got the highlight reel KO.


  • #2975
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,475 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    He was 6 rounds up at the time of the stoppage . He battered Hatton and got the highlight reel KO.

    6 rds up is only a score. You can be 11 rds up in a scrappy fight that is not a masterclass from one man.

    Floyd's talent showed from rds 8-10 or so, but one kind of needs to discuss factors that occurred pre these rds....

    For me it was not near a masterclass..

    I reserve that for the likes of his Gatti and Corralles showing...


  • #2976
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    6 rds up is only a score. You can be 11 rds up in a scrappy fight that is not a masterclass from one man.

    Floyd's talent showed from rds 8-10 or so, but one kind of needs to discuss factors that occurred pre these rds....

    For me it was not near a masterclass..

    I reserve that for the likes of his Gatti and Corralles showing...


    Surely it was his tactic to wear Hatton out , win rounds . tire him down , make him annoyed and frustrated then open up on him and get the stoppage . In my eyes thats a masterclass.

    In your opinion Ali against Foreman wasnt a masterclass. He allowed Foreman to hit him while on the ropes with hardly anything coming back . Then finished him when Foreman was spent with a nice combo.

    Gatti and Corrales was an offensive materclass from the start i agree. There are different types of masterclass performances though. Hatton was one of Mayweathers best.


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  • #2977
    walshb
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    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    Surely it was his tactic to wear Hatton out , win rounds . tire him down , make him annoyed and frustrated then open up on him and get the stoppage . In my eyes thats a masterclass.

    In your opinion Ali against Foreman wasnt a masterclass. He allowed Foreman to hit him while on the ropes with hardly anything coming back . Then finished him when Foreman was spent with a nice combo.

    Gatti and Corrales was an offensive materclass from the start i agree. There are different types of masterclass performances though. Hatton was one of Mayweathers best.

    Fair points. I see exactly where you are coming from....But the holding and fouling from Floyd barely going unpunished and Hatton's so called fouling constantly getting admonished tars this fight for me.

    When Floyd got going and started to land, yes it was masterclass, but overall the fight was not masterclass for me.


  • #2978
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    walshb wrote: »
    Fair points. I see exactly where you are coming from....But the holding and fouling from Floyd barely going unpunished and Hatton's so called fouling constantly getting admonished tars this fight for me.

    When Floyd got going and started to land, yes it was masterclass, but overall the fight was not masterclass for me.


    Yeah true . Part of me is happy Cortez didnt allow it though. Hated Hattons fight against kostya tszyu . It was borderline wrestling.


  • #2979
    Maravilla33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭Maravilla33


    Floyd via DQ
    Haven't seen the fight in years but for me Floyd toyed with Hatton. Wouldn't matter who the ref was, where it was, the result would be the same. Mayweather had several more gears if he needed but was happy to spoil, pot shot, frustrate Hatton and wear him down. Easy work.......


  • #2980
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,475 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    Maravilla33 wrote: »
    Haven't seen the fight in years but for me Floyd toyed with Hatton. Wouldn't matter who the ref was, where it was, the result would be the same. Mayweather had several more gears if he needed but was happy to spoil, pot shot, frustrate Hatton and wear him down. Easy work.......

    Bit much to assume that....Unless you are Floyd and were in the ring working hard to win.


  • #2981
    Maravilla33
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭Maravilla33


    Floyd via DQ
    Sadly I am not Floyd ($) but based on the fight and everything I've seen from Floyd and Ricky I'm happy to assume that. But sure, it is an assumption. Sometimes I think Hatton got 'lucky' having a poor ref as for many it leaves question marks about the fight and gives him some kind of small moral victory. Whereas imo he gets beat comfortably every day of the week.

    And we're >3k posts in here. What's the over/under on posts come fight night? I'm setting the line at 1 billion...


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  • #2982
    ThinkProgress
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    Floyd via DQ
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    He was 6 rounds up at the time of the stoppage . He battered Hatton and got the highlight reel KO.

    Actually, many people had Hatton ahead on the score cards coming up to the halfway point in that fight... yes Floyd was landing clean shots, but Hatton was the busier fighter and was dictating the pace for a while!

    Hatton's style might be a bit ugly to watch, but he could be very effective too.

    It was nothing close to a masterclass by Mayweather... Hatton was giving him plenty of problems, until his workrate dipped. Then Floyd's class shone through in the end.

    I don't even talk about the referee, because different referees will manage a fight in their own style. Nothing wrong with that necessarily... but of course Hatton might feel unfortunate because a UK referee would almost certainly have managed that fight very differently!

    That fight ended very badly for Hatton... which made Floyd look great in the end. Obviously, I'm not making excuses for Hatton. It's his own fault that he couldn't maintain his intensity for more than half a fight.

    He got what he deserved in the end, when you walk around looking like a mini sumo wrestler between fights... you don't deserve to reach the very top of your sport. (the whole ricky fatton stuff was embarrassing for a pro athlete tbh)


  • #2983
    Burial.
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    Floyd via DQ
    Anyone who had Hatton up at the time of stoppage needs serious medical assistance. I recall Harold Lederman had Hatton up around the middle-ish of the fight... I rest my case.


  • #2984
    normanoffside
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    Floyd via DQ
    Anyway, there is no point in talking about Hatton as some sort of comparison point as prime Hatton would have destroyed McGregor in boxing too.


  • #2985
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,475 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Floyd via KO-TKO
    normanoffside wrote: »
    Anyway, there is no point in talking about Hatton as some sort of comparison point as prime Hatton would have destroyed McGregor in boxing too.

    Within a rd or two...


  • #2986
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    I think fat Hatton could still spark McGregor inside two rounds tbh.


  • #2987
    ThinkProgress
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    Floyd via DQ
    Burial. wrote: »
    Anyone who had Hatton up at the time of stoppage needs serious medical assistance. I recall Harold Lederman had Hatton up around the middle-ish of the fight... I rest my case.

    Yeah, totally agree... around midway through, he may have been slightly ahead. (it's obviously debatable)

    There is no way he was ahead at the time of the stoppage... Mayweather was in total control by that stage!

    I don't have much respect for Hatton, as a pro athlete. He was one of the worst examples for any kids or aspiring young boxers. But he did have a lot of talent, and he did have a plenty of heart too. The fact he was able to give prime Mayweather a decent fight (or half a decent fight)... was amazing considering how unprofessional he was!

    What are the chances of McGregor being ahead on the scorecards, at the halfway point, against a 40 year old Mayweather?? (I rest my case!) ;)


  • #2988
    The Davestator
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    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Yeah, totally agree... around midway through, he may have been slightly ahead. (it's obviously debatable)

    There is no way he was ahead at the time of the stoppage... Mayweather was in total control by that stage!

    I don't have much respect for Hatton, as a pro athlete. He was one of the worst examples for any kids or aspiring young boxers. But he did have a lot of talent, and he did have a plenty of heart too. The fact he was able to give prime Mayweather a decent fight (or half a decent fight)... was amazing considering how unprofessional he was!

    What are the chances of McGregor being ahead on the scorecards, at the halfway point, against a 40 year old Mayweather?? (I rest my case!) ;)

    A bit harsh!

    Most athletes have off time when they relax. Not to the extent that Hatton did, but that just made him more accessible and increased his appeal to his public IMO.

    I've huge respect for him for being able to mold and shape his body at his will


  • #2989
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Floyd via DQ
    The Davestator wrote: »
    A bit harsh!

    Most athletes have off time when they relax. Not to the extent that Hatton did, but that just made him more accessible and increased his appeal to his public IMO.

    I've huge respect for him for being able to mold and shape his body at his will



    Ah, he didn't have just down time, he put on 3-4 stone every few months between fights and then had to nearly kill himself in camp to make weight again. That's why he had to retire at 32 years old!


  • #2990
    ThinkProgress
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    Floyd via DQ
    The Davestator wrote: »
    A bit harsh!

    Most athletes have off time when they relax. Not to the extent that Hatton did, but that just made him more accessible and increased his appeal to his public IMO.

    I've huge respect for him for being able to mold and shape his body at his will

    Perhaps it is a bit harsh...

    I liked him as a fighter. I guess it's just the disappointment of watching someone with talent, not fulfilling their full potential.

    He is remembered by many people, as that guy who got sparked out by Floyd and Manny at the end of his career. Obviously his UK fans remember more than that. But worldwide and by casual observers of the sport... that's his legacy.

    Hatton himself has talked about suffering from depression... so I get the feeling he beats himself up a lot about how his career ended.

    And yes, his weight loss before fights was truly amazing. But it also prevented him from getting the most out of his fight camps... at least half of every camp was devoted solely to losing weight. You simply can't do that, and expect to beat p4p fighters like Floyd and Manny... it's not possible. Those guys are just far too good.


  • #2991
    Sweet Science
    Closed Accounts Posts: 890 ✭✭✭Sweet Science


    Conor on points
    ThinkProgress wrote: »
    Actually, many people had Hatton ahead on the score cards coming up to the halfway point in that fight... yes Floyd was landing clean shots, but Hatton was the busier fighter and was dictating the pace for a while!

    Hatton's style might be a bit ugly to watch, but he could be very effective too.

    It was nothing close to a masterclass by Mayweather... Hatton was giving him plenty of problems, until his workrate dipped. Then Floyd's class shone through in the end.

    I don't even talk about the referee, because different referees will manage a fight in their own style. Nothing wrong with that necessarily... but of course Hatton might feel unfortunate because a UK referee would almost certainly have managed that fight very differently!

    That fight ended very badly for Hatton... which made Floyd look great in the end. Obviously, I'm not making excuses for Hatton. It's his own fault that he couldn't maintain his intensity for more than half a fight.

    He got what he deserved in the end, when you walk around looking like a mini sumo wrestler between fights... you don't deserve to reach the very top of your sport. (the whole ricky fatton stuff was embarrassing for a pro athlete tbh)


    I just watched it again last week . The more i watch it the more i think it was a masterclass. All 3 judges had him winning very easy at the time of the stoppage.

    Have to strongly disagree on the giving Mayweather plenty of problems . I dont recall him been in any sort of bother at al.


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  • #2992
    Sweet Science
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    Conor on points
    So where is everyone watching the fight ?


  • #2993
    blade1
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    Draw
    Sweet Science wrote: »
    So where is everyone watching the fight ?

    Most are watching it on the "box" I reckon.
    I have a funny feeling there's going to be a lot of disappointed viewers around ring walk time.
    I can feel a big freeze coming on!!:eek:


  • #2994
    maximoose
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    Floyd via DQ
    Why?

    Streams haven't failed me in years don't see why they would now


  • #2995
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    maximoose wrote: »
    Why?

    Streams haven't failed me in years don't see why they would now

    In terms of viewers though this is likely to be the biggest fight of all time, that could easily cause issues.


  • #2996
    Eyes Down Field
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    Floyd via DQ
    I agree Mayweather was awesome against Hatton, One of the many masterclasses of his career.

    But for me the best example of the Mayweather boxing mastersclass was against Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez is one of the most skilled fighters of the past 20 year, arguably better than Pacquiao and Mayweather made him look like nothing.


  • #2997
    Too Tough To Die
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    Floyd via DQ
    Eyes Down Field wrote: »
    I agree Mayweather was awesome against Hatton, One of the many masterclasses of his career.

    But for me the best example of the Mayweather boxing mastersclass was against Juan Manuel Marquez. Marquez is one of the most skilled fighters of the past 20 year, arguably better than Pacquiao and Mayweather made him look like nothing.

    Marquez is not arguably better than Pacquiao, behave. Arguably a stylistic nightmare for Manny but definitely not better. Ludicrous. You also fail to mention that Mayweather didn't bother his arse making the catchweight for that fight, which was a pretty scummy thing to do imo.


  • #2998
    Eyes Down Field
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    Floyd via DQ
    blade1 wrote:
    Most are watching it on the "box" I reckon. I have a funny feeling there's going to be a lot of disappointed viewers around ring walk time. I can feel a big freeze coming on!!

    The only people who will be disappointed after this fight will be those who didn't know enough about the 2 fighters, to know what to expect.

    The same idiots who thought Pacquiao had a chance against Floyd, are the same ones that think Conor has.

    Mayweather played all of you for fools, made you think Pacquiao was somehow on his level, When he knew all along he would beat him in the ring

    He's doing the same thing now, talking himself down, talking Conor up, Because he knows that the more idiots who think he is "Not the same fighter as X years ago" or "too old for this" will buy the fight.

    Floyd knows he will fck McGregor up in that ring, But saying that in public doesn't see PPV's

    maximoose wrote:
    Streams haven't failed me in years don't see why they would now

    Have they revealed the price for PPV here yet?


  • #2999
    hbhook
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭hbhook


    Floyd via DQ
    Ah c'mon now. Practically everyone agrees MW waited on Pacquiao. Not saying Top Rank and team Pac were totally innocent. I'm not even saying Pac would've beat him in 2010 but that was the time for the fight. Not the already KTFO more cautious 2015 boxer version of Pacquiao.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DF7EGRh8VQ

    ''I wanna come back and steal some more money'' he sez near the end of that vid...


  • #3000
    Eyes Down Field
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    Floyd via DQ
    hbhook wrote:
    Ah c'mon now. Practically everyone agrees MW waited on Pacquiao. Not saying Top Rank and team Pac were totally innocent. I'm not even saying Pac would've beat him in 2010 but that was the time for the fight. Not the already KTFO more cautious 2015 boxer version of Pacquiao.

    I call it good business from Money Mayweather and Al Haymon.
    Floyd could have beat Pacquiao at any time, But the timing was right when he did, to maximize the money.

    This fight with McGregor is even better business, The reward is massive and there's absolutely no risk.

    Of the 50 fights in Floyds career, His last is arguably his easiest but probably his most lucrative.


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  • #3001
    hbhook
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    Floyd via DQ
    Eyes Down Field wrote: »
    I call it good business from Money Mayweather and Al Haymon.
    Floyd could have beat Pacquiao at any time, But the timing was right when he did, to maximize the money.

    This fight with McGregor is even better business, The reward is massive and there's absolutely no risk.

    Of the 50 fights in Floyds career, His last is arguably his easiest but probably his most lucrative.

    I don't disagree but that's most boxing fan's problem with Mayweather. He fought people at the right time for him. He had and probably still has all the gifts and talents to fight and beat most within his weight range but went the least risk max reward route. Which have I no problem with really. But TBE? Nah. Not that I think he's being totally serious with that moniker.
    For boxing fans Manny Pacquiao in 2010 was the fight for Floyd Mayweather to make. Maybe even 2011 if you think the added delay and more promotion would've helped. It probably wouldn't have made the same amount of money but I don't really care.


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