Clare GAA discussion thread

danganabu · 12-07-2017 12:57PM

Clareman wrote: »

If it was on in Limerick you would have a lot more Clare people at it, in fact I'd say it'd be a sell out. 20 minutes down the road vs. 2 hours, ffs the Gaelic Grounds is closer to some of the players homes than Cusack Park.

Not a hope, in fact if memory serves me correct the Gaelic Grounds has only ever been full once since it was re-developed. Another massive wasted of money.

namloc1980 · 12-07-2017 01:05PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Ridiculous comment....

Evidence says otherwise. How many went to Clare's home qualifier in Ennis last year....c5,000. No show at the Mundter final this year (first in 9 years). Very soft and low core of support it seems. Clare's own players are calling it out on the media!

opinionated3 · 12-07-2017 01:09PM

Playing Tipp in either Limerick or, for your arguments sake, Ennis , would have brought in a great crowd. Fans are studying the logistics of going to cork for a 3pm throw in on a busy Saturday and it does not look one bit appealing. Common sense would have placed it in Limerick but sure the Gaa have to show off Frank Murphy's new gaff to the watching world!

namloc1980 · 12-07-2017 01:14PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

Playing Tipp in either Limerick or, for your arguments sake, Ennis , would have brought in a great crowd. Fans are studying the logistics of going to cork for a 3pm throw in on a busy Saturday and it does not look one bit appealing. Common sense would have placed it in Limerick but sure the Gaa have to show off Frank Murphy's new gaff to the watching world!

This still doesn't explain why Clare fans didn't go to Thurles for the Munster final. Or will Clare only go to games in Ennis or Limerick?

Figerty · 12-07-2017 01:19PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

This still doesn't explain why Clare fans didn't go to Thurles for the Munster final. Or will Clare only go to games in Ennis or Limerick?

It appears the Clare county board didn't order tickets for the stands. Cork got in their first and cleaned out the system.
And we all know Cork will travel when they expect to win:D

opinionated3 · 12-07-2017 01:31PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

This still doesn't explain why Clare fans didn't go to Thurles for the Munster final. Or will Clare only go to games in Ennis or Limerick?

Tbh I'm at a loss to explain the no shows last Sunday. I had heard rumours about serious problems with ticketing. For example I got my terrace ticket in centra around nine days before the match. The machine in the shop wouldn't allow any stand tickets to be sold......Killinan end was the only option given. At the time I thought that was a bit weird but I assumed the club's were getting the stand tickets. But then I was told that the total amount of stand tickets ordered by Clare was in the region of 1500. So it was all a bit baffling tbh...

blue note · 12-07-2017 01:31PM

I think clare and ourselves have been poor in bringing numbers in recent years. In the 90s and noughties a munster match between us would have brought 25, 30 thousand. Now, it could be 10-15. For whatever reason, people are not traveling as they used to.

For those who might go, the journey to cork is going to tip a hell of a lot of people over the edge and they won't bother. No two ways about that.

Figerty · 12-07-2017 01:42PM

blue note wrote: »

I think clare and ourselves have been poor in bringing numbers in recent years. In the 90s and noughties a munster match between us would have brought 25, 30 thousand. Now, it could be 10-15. For whatever reason, people are not traveling as they used to.

For those who might go, the journey to cork is going to tip a hell of a lot of people over the edge and they won't bother. No two ways about that.

Saturday is a working day, 3pm is the middle of a Saturday. Very few will travel. It's peak farming time, and holiday time.. and the tickets are expensive for a family..
Same applies for Tipperary. Expect a small crowd to travel but the Cork crowd may turn up to swell numbers.

BnB · 12-07-2017 04:54PM

Figerty wrote: »

It appears the Clare county board didn't order tickets for the stands. Cork got in their first and cleaned out the system.
And we all know Cork will travel when they expect to win:D

On top of the above, it is also strongly rumored that the players were told by a certain bitter county board official that the County Board sent back 5,000 tickets that were not used.

I know of at least 2 clubs who did not get all the tickets they looked for.

Clareman · 12-07-2017 07:16PM

BnB wrote: »

On top of the above, it is also strongly rumored that the players were told by a certain bitter county board official that the County Board sent back 5,000 tickets that were not used.

I know of at least 2 clubs who did not get all the tickets they looked for.

This is the same county board who refused to get hand dryers in the bathrooms of Cusack Park when it was redeveloped because "Fellas don't wash their hands when they go to match and if they do they can dry them on their pants", the thought process this time around would be "Let them get their tickets in Centra"

Reputable Rog · 12-07-2017 09:01PM

Why are the U21's not wearing the current strip?

letowski · 12-07-2017 11:17PM

Reputable Rog wrote:

Why are the U21's not wearing the current strip?

Did this last year, dont know, likely expenses spared. Minors earlier in the year had to go fundraising themselves, our county board is that stingy.

danganabu · 13-07-2017 12:04PM

Looking at the state of the Gaelic Grounds at last nights U-21 game I suddenly don't feel so aggrieved at having to travel to Cork, 3 pm on a Saturday is another kettle of fish though.

eigrod · 13-07-2017 01:45PM

jackrussel wrote: »

cork hurlers wont be playing there this year - im not sure about the footballers. there'll be plenty cork folk at it for a gawk at their new white elephant

Cork City might play there before the hurlers

deaddonkey15 · 13-07-2017 08:54PM

danganabu wrote: »

Looking at the state of the Gaelic Grounds at last nights U-21 game I suddenly don't feel so aggrieved at having to travel to Cork, 3 pm on a Saturday is another kettle of fish though.

What's wrong with the Gaelic Grounds?

lab man · 14-07-2017 10:42AM

blue note wrote:

For those who might go, the journey to cork is going to tip a hell of a lot of people over the edge and they won't bother. No two ways about that.

With the footballers going green well most of the West clare fans will go to see them both matches would be sore in the pocket

lab man · 14-07-2017 10:42AM

blue note wrote:

For those who might go, the journey to cork is going to tip a hell of a lot of people over the edge and they won't bother. No two ways about that.

With the footballers going green well most of the West clare fans will go to see them both matches would be sore in the pocket

Reputable Rog · 14-07-2017 11:30AM

lab man wrote: »

With the footballers going green well most of the West clare fans will go to see them both matches would be sore in the pocket

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windy shepard henderson · 16-07-2017 05:24PM

lab man wrote: »

With the footballers going green well most of the West clare fans will go to see them both matches would be sore in the pocket

no sadly the fact is the clare supporter bar the die hard is incredibly lazy be it football or hurling , 750 pepole watched the footballers beat cork in the league , while maybe 7 or 8 thousand turned up to watch the hurlers in there first provincial final since 2008 last week ,

if you brought the clare tipp game to cusack park next weekend there would be 2 to 1 in favor of tipp our support is disgraceful

Django99 · 16-07-2017 07:22PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

no sadly the fact is the clare supporter bar the die hard is incredibly lazy be it football or hurling , 750 pepole watched the footballers beat cork in the league , while maybe 7 or 8 thousand turned up to watch the hurlers in there first provincial final since 2008 last week ,

if you brought the clare tipp game to cusack park next weekend there would be 2 to 1 in favor of tipp our support is disgraceful

Hmm it's a difficult one. You can't make people want to support the team. But you can definitely coax them..

If Clare get to an All Ireland they'd bring a big crowd for sure so would any county. The challenge is to get people to support them all year round.

Do Clare have a supporters club? Maybe run buses to the games, get the clubs involved and bring juvenile teams to play a challenge the morning of the game.

For an older crowd turn it in to a piss up, have buses going that stop on pubs along the way, stay a while after the game.

There's no way to make people interested in following the team just by telling them to show up, it has to be attractive for them. For whatever reason it's clearly not attractive at the moment.

A bit of hype always gets people interested. Wexford are bringing huge crowds to all their games this year, they smell some success and want to be involved. Maybe Clare are too negative about themselves, trying to downplay chances perhaps. Mayo have huge support because they always have the hope that they might get their day in the sun.

letowski · 16-07-2017 08:31PM

Django99 wrote: »

Hmm it's a difficult one. You can't make people want to support the team. But you can definitely coax them..

If Clare get to an All Ireland they'd bring a big crowd for sure so would any county. The challenge is to get people to support them all year round.

Do Clare have a supporters club? Maybe run buses to the games, get the clubs involved and bring juvenile teams to play a challenge the morning of the game.

For an older crowd turn it in to a piss up, have buses going that stop on pubs along the way, stay a while after the game.

There's no way to make people interested in following the team just by telling them to show up, it has to be attractive for them. For whatever reason it's clearly not attractive at the moment.

A bit of hype always gets people interested. Wexford are bringing huge crowds to all their games this year, they smell some success and want to be involved. Maybe Clare are too negative about themselves, trying to downplay chances perhaps. Mayo have huge support because they always have the hope that they might get their day in the sun.

It's definitely a tricky one for sure.

Clare's supporters club was only set up actually just this year, and in fairness to them, they do as good a job as they can. They provide the supporters with updates, news, interviews, etc. Maybe they're work might indeed keep up interest in the county and incite more support.

In my opinion, I think if the county board want to make a start in trying to increase the support at matches, they need to start with some bit of a statistical evaluation of the actual support going to matches. That could be tricky to organise but not impossible, but at least it would give them an understanding and see is there a certain age group not going or maybe other factors like parts of the county where is support is lacking. I don't know but it would be a start, and you can work at selling a target audience from it.

But I doubt the county board could even be bothered to do any of that anyway. Their tiny acquisition of the stand tickets last week showed as much.

Clareman · 16-07-2017 09:12PM

letowski wrote: »

It's definitely a tricky one for sure.

Clare's supporters club was only set up actually just this year, and in fairness to them, they do as good a job as they can. They provide the supporters with updates, news, interviews, etc. Maybe they're work might indeed keep up interest in the county and incite more support.

They do a great job in fairness, considering they started with 0 funds but the previous "crowd" were taking money but didn't have any accounts it tells a lot about where supporters lie within the Clare county board.

http://clarecourier.ie/clare-gaa-annual-convention/

Clareman · 16-07-2017 09:14PM

I met a few folks over the weekend who didn't travel, when I asked why they didn't they said that they went for tickets the day after the semi final but there were sh1t tickts so they decided to get tickets from the club, when there wasn't any tickets from the club they just didn't bother going.

letowski · 16-07-2017 09:30PM

Clareman wrote: »

I met a few folks over the weekend who didn't travel, when I asked why they didn't they said that they went for tickets the day after the semi final but there were sh1t tickts so they decided to get tickets from the club, when there wasn't any tickets from the club they just didn't bother going.

What I couldn't understand is OK if Pat Fitz felt that the demand wasn't probably there to sell a lot of stand tickets, at least take a good lot of them for a start. Give the county the opportunity to have as much support as they could in good areas in the stand. Then give back the ones that were not sold, Cork GAA/Munster Council would have taken them as the game was always going to sell out anyway.

You are right, the bulk of out support in the stand seemed to be located between the 20 and 45 of the old stand closer to the Killinan End which isnt exactly great.

Clareman · 16-07-2017 09:37PM

letowski wrote: »

What I couldn't understand is OK if Pat Fitz felt that the demand wasn't probably there to sell a lot of stand tickets, at least take a good lot of them for a start. Give the county the opportunity to have as much support as they could in good areas in the stand. Then give back the ones that were not sold, Cork GAA/Munster Council would have taken them as the game was always going to sell out anyway.

You are right, the bulk of out support in the stand seemed to be located between the 20 and 45 of the old stand closer to the Killinan End which isnt exactly great.

You'd imagine it'd be a no brainer, take all the tickets you can get, give the clubs a few days to sell them, open up a ticket office in Cusack Park for a few days, any tickets you don't sell return on Thursday for general sale through tickets.ie but because of the non-existence relationship between Fitz and the clubs that wasn't going to happen.

In my opinion, there is 1 reason why there was a small Clare crowd, it stems from almost every failure in Clare GAA structures in the past 20 years, Pat Fitz.

pugw · 16-07-2017 10:34PM

Why are there no stand tickets available for next Saturday on tickets.ie?? They had stand tickets available for the first hour or so after tickets went on sale last week but they were crap tickets in the corners!
Considering clare and tipp won't bring a massive crowd to cork you'd imagine there should be enough stand tickets to go around!
Presume they are being held back for the cork clubs to go to the opening of he stadium!
It's a disgrace, the match should have been played in limerick!

windy shepard henderson · 16-07-2017 11:43PM

Clareman wrote: »

They do a great job in fairness, considering they started with 0 funds but the previous "crowd" were taking money but didn't have any accounts it tells a lot about where supporters lie within the Clare county board.

http://clarecourier.ie/clare-gaa-annual-convention/

bad tickets is a perfectly good reason but there are only 460 season ticket holders in the county , you would get that for a clare cup game in the park or a cusack cup final back west ,

i find people have too much time for the club and the intrest for the inter county is hit and miss take the mayo game last week , i knew a number pf people even lads on the football panel over the last few years that stayed away because the game was on tv

i even heard several people already say they are not going attending the tipp game next week for the same reason , i just think our support is too casual compared to our neighbors or the rest of the gaa world

we must be the only county in the country where we attract bigger crowds for club games then we do intercounty

Clareman · 17-07-2017 08:54AM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

bad tickets is a perfectly good reason but there are only 460 season ticket holders in the county , you would get that for a clare cup game in the park or a cusack cup final back west ,

i find people have too much time for the club and the intrest for the inter county is hit and miss take the mayo game last week , i knew a number pf people even lads on the football panel over the last few years that stayed away because the game was on tv

i even heard several people already say they are not going attending the tipp game next week for the same reason , i just think our support is too casual compared to our neighbors or the rest of the gaa world

we must be the only county in the country where we attract bigger crowds for club games then we do intercounty

The problem with the season ticket for Clare people is that the hurlers haven't played many matches and the footballers could be playing anywhere coupled with the fact that there never seems to be an issue getting Clare tickets there isn't much of an incentive to get them. A few years ago there was a Debenture card where if you paid a certain amount of money you got access to any match being played in a Clare venue, it was a great ticket and incentive people to go to matches, the problem now is that anyone selling these tickets is more interested in making sure they make money than anything else so they price the tickets according to the value of the matches, for example it's €10 into a game and if there's 15 weekends then the ticket would be priced at €300, I think a nominal charge of €100 for such a ticket would have a great take up rate and wouldn't impact the coffers too much (except that the amount of cash being taken at the gates which means more money has to go through the books), maybe also give the people with a ticket access to buy championship tickets, but this is probably beyond our county board.

keeponhurling · 17-07-2017 03:05PM

Niall O'Connor - son of Clare joint-manager Gerry O'Connor - has been named as the person at the centre of the sliotar controversy by the Clare Champion newspaper.
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Awkward alert!

keeponhurling · 17-07-2017 03:08PM

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