Clare GAA discussion thread

letowski

keeponhurling wrote: »

On the plus side, our performance was much better than against Limerick.
Puck-outs were improved, free-taking was better and Tony Kelly, while not at his best, was at least influential in the game.
But we'll need to improve again for the next day

Yes I agree it was an improvement, not a huge improvement but there was progress made in some aspects of our play. I think we probably underestimated the task in terms of reaching Cork's level when all we really had was 1 game in 13 weeks. The thing is, it's got to be a huge improvement the next day if we want to beat Tipp. Players like David Fitz, Podge, Shanagher and Conlon who had good leagues are not in form. It's a tall order but there is enough quality in our side to give Tipp a good run for their money if we show up. Unfortunately its been 2013 since I last left a meaningful championship match felling Clare played somewhere close to their best. That said games like this will reveal the true character of this team.

deaddonkey15

I must say the attendance from the Clare side was very disappointing yesterday. It must have been at least 4 or 5 to 1 in favour of Cork. You'd wonder if the psychological side of that was worth a point or two yesterday. The Cork fans traveled expecting a Munster title, I reckon that rubbed off on the players.

That said, Clare were disappointing again. The wides were infuriating. Another 2 or 3 shots dropped short into Nash as well due to poor shot selection. The dropping off for the puck outs was hard to understand. We pretty much invited Cork to test our full back line under no pressure every time we scored / hit a wide. Our balls into the full forward line were so poor. So many over hit passes out over the sideline. I really don't think Podge is effective as a centre forward. Would rather see him in the corner with maybe McGrath out in the half forwards. McGrath is strong and an excellent point scorer and can bring more height and physicality to the half forwards where we desperately need it to win ball. He's wasted inside in the corner with the quality of ball that we're providing at the moment in my opinion.

Clareman

Tipp match is on in Cork on Sat the 22nd at 3

Tell me how

Clareman wrote:

Tipp match is on in Cork on Sat the 23rd at 3

Saturday is the 22nd.

Clareman

Tell me how wrote: »

Saturday is the 22nd.

Oops sorry, it's the Saturday that it's on though

roashter

Yep, confirmed for Stade de Franc down in Cork

Davys Fits

I think Clare fans are a little fed up of going to matches, expecting a big performance and coming home feeling let down. Sunday was no different. Its happened over and over again since 2013. Its a pity this Tipp game isnt on in Limerick and let them open PUC with Waterford and Wexford.

cnoc

Davys Fits wrote: »

I think Clare fans are a little fed up of going to matches, expecting a big performance and coming home feeling let down. Sunday was no different. Its happened over and over again since 2013. Its a pity this Tipp game isnt on in Limerick and let them open PUC with Waterford and Wexford.

Is there confusion over the venue for the Clare/Tipp match? My understanding is that RTE sport said the game was in Cork, but this evening Clare FM threw a spanner in the works saying it could be Cork, Limerick or where ever??

patsy_mccabe

All-Ireland SHC quarter-final draw
Clare v Tipperary, Saturday 22 July, 3pm, Páirc Uí Chaoimh
Wexford v Waterford, Sunday 23 July, 4pm, Páirc Uí Chaoimh


https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0710/889025-hurling-quarter-final-and-football-qualifier-draws/

frankz

Davys Fits wrote: »

I think Clare fans are a little fed up of going to matches, expecting a big performance and coming home feeling let down. Sunday was no different. Its happened over and over again since 2013. Its a pity this Tipp game isnt on in Limerick and let them open PUC with Waterford and Wexford.

Would you expect a low turnout from Clare fans for the Tipp game?
Cork is a fair auld spin from most of Clare (be easier in 2076 when the Lim Cork motorway opens)
I know there was a ticket issue but the travelling Clare support in Thurles seemed low and it is easier to get to.
FWIW - I think Tipp numbers might be down for this game.

deaddonkey15

frankz wrote: »

Would you expect a low turnout from Clare fans for the Tipp game?
Cork is a fair auld spin from most of Clare (be easier in 2076 when the Lim Cork motorway opens)
I know there was a ticket issue but the travelling Clare support in Thurles seemed low and it is easier to get to.
FWIW - I think Tipp numbers might be down for this game.

I can't see there being much of a championship atmosphere at this game. The stadium will be half filled at best. 3pm throw in on a Saturday doesn't help either.

frankz

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I can't see there being much of a championship atmosphere at this game. The stadium will be half filled at best. 3pm throw in on a Saturday doesn't help either.

Exactly.
Half prob the tops of it - think capacity is a little over 45k

GoldFour4

I'd be surprised if it hits 20k to be honest. Saturday at 3 is a terrible time for a championship game never mind an all Ireland qtr final.

False Prophet

frankz wrote: »

Would you expect a low turnout from Clare fans for the Tipp game?
Cork is a fair auld spin from most of Clare (be easier in 2076 when the Lim Cork motorway opens)
I know there was a ticket issue but the travelling Clare support in Thurles seemed low and it is easier to get to.
FWIW - I think Tipp numbers might be down for this game.

Clare will do well to have 6 to 8 thousand turn up, maybe the new stadium factor encourages a few hundred more.

False Prophet

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I must say the attendance from the Clare side was very disappointing yesterday. It must have been at least 4 or 5 to 1 in favour of Cork. You'd wonder if the psychological side of that was worth a point or two yesterday. The Cork fans traveled expecting a Munster title, I reckon that rubbed off on the players.

Shamefull more like, when was the last time clare had equal support?
You have people giving out about the players yet they cant even turn up to support for a Munster Final.

Not just due to success because outnumbered in first game in 2014 as well

finbarrk

malistheman wrote: »

I'd be surprised if it hits 20k to be honest. Saturday at 3 is a terrible time for a championship game never mind an all Ireland qtr final.

There will be a lot more than that there. Why is 3.00pm a terrible time? It's a perfect time for most day trips.
Loads of Cork people will go as they are on a high now.
Pity it's clashing with U2 in Croke Park though.

finbarrk

False Prophet wrote: »

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I must say the attendance from the Clare side was very disappointing yesterday. It must have been at least 4 or 5 to 1 in favour of Cork. You'd wonder if the psychological side of that was worth a point or two yesterday. The Cork fans traveled expecting a Munster title, I reckon that rubbed off on the players.

Shamefull more like, when was the last time clare had equal support?
You have people giving out about the players yet they cant even turn up to support for a Munster Final.

Not just due to success because outnumbered in first game in 2014 as well

I can't put my finger on it regarding the poor support for our team. They deserve better. I arrived back to our pub at around 11pm and there was about 25 there. Only one other lad had been in Thurles outside of myself, and he was an American, connected to Clare. He asked me why weren't any of the rest of the customers there and I couldn't answer. Previous supporters not travelling any more.
Maybe breathalyser tests, checkpoints are making a difference.
But that didn't stop Cork travelling.

opinionated3

I think you will find that there will be a minimal attendance on Saturday week from both counties, with the overall number bumped up by Cork people looking for a gawk at the new stadium. PUC is always a nightmare to get out of too, so that's another factor to put traveling fans off, as well as the fact that the Munster fleadh is on that weekend in the city. It should have been fixed for Limerick, but the powers that be don't think of the fans when these decisions are made. .
As regards Clare, I was bitterly disappointed with Sunday. Maybe it looked better on TV, but for those of us that traveled it was infuriating to watch in the terrace. I saw no improvement in our play from the last few seasons. Tactically we seem so inept, and I read loughnanes daily Star article yesterday and he agreed. Much was spoken of starting Cathal Malone to win our puck outs but that tactic was shattered after ten mins. Conor cleary is out of his depth at centre back. Would love to see Dave Mac play there but we have no full back strong enough to take his place. Pat o Connor was a pale shadow of the man from 2013, and oisin was clearly not fit enough or sharp enough for the contest. We allowed Nash to consistently find his corner backs from puckouts, and never even attempted to change tact to counter act this.
I'm beginning to seriously question the meaning of having two managers plus a backroom team. A blind man could see that pa Kelly is our best keeper, but apparently he had a falling out with Donal og so he is out of favour. I realise it's all very easy to sit here, type words and criticise but I really don't see any improvement from 2013. If anything we have gone backwards. I heard chatter earlier in the year that Davy , while well meaning, has destroyed some lads through over training and concentrating so much on fitness and tactics that they have forgotten how to hurl free and enjoy the game. The cork team look like they have that right now, and that is seemingly due to good management.
I hate to say it but I can't see anything other than a relatively handy win for Tipp Saturday week. Michael Ryan will win the tactical battle and it will be back to the drawing board for us once again.

Clareman

I admit that I wasn't at the match last weekend because I had higher priorities but in my opinion all of the reasons for the small Clare attendance was down to the complete lack of advertising by the Clare County Board. They left it up to Centra to sell tickets, ffs, they should have had signs up all over the county to get tickets from your local club/Centra or from the County Board directly. There should have been organised park and ride buses from all over the county. There should have been a bit of a buzz about the place, FFS we were in the Minor and Senior Munster Final and had less than 10,000 supporters.

As much of a pain in the hole Thurles is to get in or out of, Cork is 100 times worse, to get to Pairc Ui Franc in time for a 3 o'clock throw in I'd say you would need to be leaving Ennis no later than 11.30, that's giving yourself 2 hours of a drive, half an hour to park, half and hour to walk to the ground and half an hour to get a place in the ground, Clonmel is only 1 hour 15 from Cork.

If the match was on in Limerick it'd be the same distance for Tipperary supporters to travel (a lot closer for north of the county) and it'd be a lot closer for Clare supporters, the place would be a sell out and Pairc Ui Franc would still have a full house the next day, but no the corruption of the GAA means that supporters are just a secondary thought and back alley deals take priority so supporters will be expected to haul down

finbarrk

Didn't both teams pack the place 20 years ago? Lazy Clare fans these days. Excuses regarding difficult to get in/out, etc.

danganabu

finbarrk wrote: »

There will be a lot more than that there. Why is 3.00pm a terrible time? It's a perfect time for most day trips.
Loads of Cork people will go as they are on a high now.
Pity it's clashing with U2 in Croke Park though.

I don't think there will be a big crowd at all, around the 20k seems likely, Saturday @3pm is a balls and Cork is a nightmare to get in and out of. A lot of regular supporters I have been talking to are not travelling and the fact it is televised will dissuade those that are caught between two minds.

danganabu

Clareman wrote: »

As much of a pain in the hole Thurles is to get in or out of, Cork is 100 times worse, to get to Pairc Ui Franc in time for a 3 o'clock throw in I'd say you would need to be leaving Ennis no later than 11.30, that's giving yourself 2 hours of a drive, half an hour to park, half and hour to walk to the ground and half an hour to get a place in the ground, Clonmel is only 1 hour 15 from Cork.

Been a little misleading by referring to Clonmel there Clareman, the vast vast majority of Tipp hurling fans are from the North and Mid Divisions of the county, the drive time from Nenagh is 2 hours.

opinionated3

danganabu wrote: »

Been a little misleading by referring to Clonmel there Clareman, the vast vast majority of Tipp hurling fans are from the North and Mid Divisions of the county, the drive time from Nenagh is 2 hours.

Even more of a reason why it should be played in Limerick. Max 20000 i reckon Saturday week

deaddonkey15

Clareman wrote: »

I admit that I wasn't at the match last weekend because I had higher priorities but in my opinion all of the reasons for the small Clare attendance was down to the complete lack of advertising by the Clare County Board.

I don't agree with this. Why should the county board have to advertise the first Munster final we're in since 2008? I think anyone who was interested in going either knew how to get tickets or knew how to find out. I got mine online no problem. I think many supporters just didn't believe Clare could win and opted not to go.

Corcaigh84

Ye'd better hope yere primary ball winner is fit for the Tipp match

danganabu

opinionated3 wrote: »

Even more of a reason why it should be played in Limerick. Max 20000 i reckon Saturday week

Oh absolutely, and tbh its a bit disrespectful and demeaning to the importance of the game to have it at 3pm on as Saturday, almost like a trial run for the big game the day after!

Stationmaster

thefloss wrote: »

Ye'd better hope yere primary ball winner is fit for the Tipp match

Who is it!? Can't make him out.

False Prophet

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I don't agree with this. Why should the county board have to advertise the first Munster final we're in since 2008? I think anyone who was interested in going either knew how to get tickets or knew how to find out. I got mine online no problem. I think many supporters just didn't believe Clare could win and opted not to go.

But its not like 95 where they got hammered in a league final and lost badly in the previous 2 munster finals. Clare were only slight underdogs and cork arent anything special (at least yet).
Are people really only going to turn up for a sure thing ala those underage finals?

Anyway tis just too easy for excuses, journey/prices/kids/illness/something else already planned etc
If it was an allIreland final where are those excuses?

namloc1980

Avoid traffic and get the train. €28 return Ennis to Cork on the Saturday. Very handy option. No need to battle the traffic.

Clareman

danganabu wrote: »

Been a little misleading by referring to Clonmel there Clareman, the vast vast majority of Tipp hurling fans are from the North and Mid Divisions of the county, the drive time from Nenagh is 2 hours.

I was going by the capital of each county, if you want to go by the furthest town Roscrea is 1 hour 47 minutes away and Ballyvaughan is 2 hours 30, if you want to go by county champions Thurles is 1 hour 18 minutes away and Ballyea is 2 hours 2 minutes, if you want to go by closest points Clare is 1 hour 39, Tipp is 49 minutes.