Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Richy06 · 27-06-2017 12:11AM

Gamebred wrote: »

"Richard"

......Ma?! We've talked about you spouting ****e on the internet before. :rolleyes:

I'm perfectly relaxed, though, bruh, thanks for making sure I stay on the level.

Oh wait....you were making a joke!? F**k, you should've told us, I could've laughed at how funny it was!

The moment is gone now though.

hatrickpatrick · 27-06-2017 09:29AM

This thread is getting trashier than the 202 press conference

DerrickL · 27-06-2017 09:34AM

Is Conor the biggest fighter that Floyd will have ever faced?

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2017 09:57AM

DerrickL wrote: »

Is Conor the biggest fighter that Floyd will have ever faced?

Canelo and de la Hoya probably bigger.

Lukker- · 27-06-2017 10:01AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Canelo and de la Hoya probably bigger.

De La Hoya is def bigger, Canelo is a short arse, I'd say himself and Conor are the same size.

pastorbarrett · 27-06-2017 10:25AM

Watching back through a lot of old (mid 2000's) Mayweather fights. Christ, his speed and technique are beguiling. It'll be interesting to see how much of that he still possesses. I'd wager quite a lot given his avowedly monastic life, at least where health matters are concerned...

DerrickL · 27-06-2017 10:45AM

pastorbarrett wrote: »

Watching back through a lot of old (mid 2000's) Mayweather fights. Christ, his speed and technique are beguiling. It'll be interesting to see how much of that he still possesses. I'd wager quite a lot given his avowedly monastic life, at least where health matters are concerned...

His handspeeed is incredible

EagererBeaver · 27-06-2017 11:09AM

Lukker- wrote: »

De La Hoya is def bigger, Canelo is a short arse, I'd say himself and Conor are the same size.

Then you should have referred to height rather than size. Canelo is huge for a guy who has spent most of his elite career at 154lbs.

Lukker- · 27-06-2017 11:37AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Then you should have referred to height rather than size. Canelo is huge for a guy who has spent most of his elite career at 154lbs.

He's pretty big alright, wouldn't say he's much thicker than Conor though. Rehydrates to around the same weight 170 on fight nights, as well as being the same height

walshb · 27-06-2017 11:46AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

This will be the biggest stage imaginable. Probably the biggest fight ever, even including the Rumble in the Jungle. The pressure on fight night will be insane.
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Is this a wind up?

This is not a fight. The rumble was.....

This is getting beyond ridiculous in comparing the greatest sportsman in the world in one of sport's all-time greatest events/fights to this novelty act with two posers looking for a payday.

Sofiztikated · 27-06-2017 12:09PM

walshb wrote: »

Is this a wind up?

This is not a fight. The rumble was.....

This is getting beyond ridiculous in comparing the greatest sportsman in the world in one of sport's all-time greatest events/fights to this novelty act with two posers looking for a payday.

So I see you're back for another wind up?

walshb · 27-06-2017 12:10PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

So I see you're back for another wind up?

Nonsense!

Sweet Science · 27-06-2017 12:20PM

Imagine after Diaz McGregor 1 thinking Conor could last in a boxing bout . He was walking around throwing single punches with nothing coming back at all . The myth that he was loading up is no excuse really .

He will simply be unable to protect himself due to exhaustion if this fight was to go to the 6th.

DerrickL · 27-06-2017 12:22PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

Imagine after Diaz McGregor 1 thinking Conor could last in a boxing bout . He was walking around throwing single punches with nothing coming back at all . The myth that he was loading up is no excuse really .

He will simply be unable to protect himself due to exhaustion if this fight was to go to the 6th.

And even in the second fight Conor gassed even though he claims he didn't receive much damage.

Floyd is going to chew him up

Sweet Science · 27-06-2017 12:24PM

DerrickL wrote: »

And even in the second fight Conor gassed even though he claims he didn't receive much fans.

Floyd is going to chew him up

Yep he gassed after around 7 mins when he was picking his shots and conserving energy .

Lukker- · 27-06-2017 12:25PM

I'm gassing reading this thread

pastorbarrett · 27-06-2017 12:33PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

Imagine after Diaz McGregor 1 thinking Conor could last in a boxing bout . He was walking around throwing single punches with nothing coming back at all . The myth that he was loading up is no excuse really

He went in throwing bombs. It was an effective if not so refined technique, at least in the pugilistic sense, one that had served him well to this point. Added to that was no doubt his own desire to have a proper throw down with a Diaz brother, to not take a back step. He went head-hunting. It failed. He acknowledged it, it wasn't an excuse, just a statement of fact.

Conor outboxed him the rematch. Look at round 1 and 2, even exchanges later on. Diaz lived on his chin and outworked him in the clinch. Sure, Conor gassed again to an extent too, and this played on his technique later on. That's a fair critique. But to think Diaz outboxed him, or is even on a par technique wise is inaccurate.

walshb · 27-06-2017 12:38PM

I think the only thing Floyd will "have" to suss out, and I see him sussing it out quickly, is Conor's arm length and range.

Burial. · 27-06-2017 12:42PM

Lukker- wrote: »

He's pretty big alright, wouldn't say he's much thicker than Conor though. Rehydrates to around the same weight 170 on fight nights, as well as being the same height

Canelo used rehydrate to the mid 170s when he was a young pup at 154. He's easily in the 180s now...Khan said 187 when they fought and I believe it. Canelo is huge.

pastorbarrett · 27-06-2017 12:47PM

Burial. wrote: »

Canelo used rehydrate to the mid 170s when he was a young pup at 154. He's easily in the 180s now...Khan said 187 when they fought and I believe it. Canelo is huge.

I'd really doubt he's 187. I've seen people dispute that he's even 5'9. He's certainly broad to be sure.

wonderfullife · 27-06-2017 12:47PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

Imagine after Diaz McGregor 1 thinking Conor could last in a boxing bout . He was walking around throwing single punches with nothing coming back at all . The myth that he was loading up is no excuse really .

He will simply be unable to protect himself due to exhaustion if this fight was to go to the 6th.

The above is factually untrue on about half a dozen levels.

1. Conor had a very bad staph infection for the 2 weeks leading up to the Diaz 1 fight. That's not gonna help anyone's gas tank.

2. Even allowing for being sick, he didn't prepare correctly for the bout with his diet and nutrition. Steaks for breakfast not a good idea apparently.

3. He absolutely loaded-up in the first fight.

In Round 1 of the first fight, Conor threw 74 strikes with 37% landing.
In Round 1 of the second fight, Conor threw 58 strikes with 58% landing.

He went to the head 77% of the time in the first fight.
He went to the head 59% of the time in second fight.

There is no "myth" that he loaded up and head-hunted. He did just that. Reaching, lunging and winging punches at Nate's head.

Since that first fight, he recognised the need to adapt and change. He has employed a top-class nutritionist in George Lockhart and a sports performance guy in Dr. Julian Dalby, who is uniquely qualified having been an Irish champion in both strength and endurance events.

We still saw a huge cardio dip in the Diaz 2 fight but tellingly Conor threw the most strikes of any round in Round 4 (76 strikes) and his accuracy was higher than in rounds 1, 2 and 3 (60%). That's a good sign.

Now, he made those nutrition and cardio adjustments in the span of 5 months between the Diaz fights. He will have had an entire year more now between that 2nd fight and the Floyd fight to make further improvements.

I still think he will hit his cardio dip/flatspot in this fight but his overall conditioning will be chalk and cheese compared to Diaz 1.

TL;DR - Pinning your understanding of Conor's gas tank on Diaz 1 is likely a big mistake, especially if betting on his cardio failing by the 6th.

Lukker- · 27-06-2017 12:56PM

Burial. wrote: »

Canelo used rehydrate to the mid 170s when he was a young pup at 154. He's easily in the 180s now...Khan said 187 when they fought and I believe it. Canelo is huge.

He's said the biggest he's rehydrated to on fight now was 175 when he was younger. He's actually gotten a bit smaller IMO. He's been ducking GGG for so long that he has been operating on a ridiculous diet for a top level athlete. He may be bigger now that he's finally going to take a fight in his actual weight class of 160.

Khan was talking sh*te.

Sweet Science · 27-06-2017 12:58PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

The above is factually untrue on about half a dozen levels.

1. Conor had a very bad staph infection for the 2 weeks leading up to the Diaz 1 fight. That's not gonna help anyone's gas tank.

2. Even allowing for being sick, he didn't prepare correctly for the bout with his diet and nutrition. Steaks for breakfast not a good idea apparently.

3. He absolutely loaded-up in the first fight.

In Round 1 of the first fight, Conor threw 74 strikes with 37% landing.
In Round 1 of the second fight, Conor threw 58 strikes with 58% landing.

He went to the head 77% of the time in the first fight.
He went to the head 59% of the time in second fight.

There is no "myth" that he nd head-hunted. He did just that. loaded up aReaching, lunging and winging punches at Nate's head.

Since that first fight, he recognised the need to adapt and change. He has employed a top-class nutritionist in George Lockhart and a sports performance guy in Dr. Julian Dalby, who is uniquely qualified having been an Irish champion in both strength and endurance events.

We still saw a huge cardio dip in the Diaz 2 fight but tellingly Conor threw the most strikes of any round in Round 4 (76 strikes) and his accuracy was higher than in rounds 1, 2 and 3 (60%). That's a good sign.

Now, he made those nutrition and cardio adjustments in the span of 5 months between the Diaz fights. He will have had an entire year more now between that 2nd fight and the Floyd fight to make further improvements.

I still think he will hit his cardio dip/flatspot in this fight but his overall conditioning will be chalk and cheese compared to Diaz 1.

TL;DR - Pinning your understanding of Conor's gas tank on Diaz 1 is likely a big mistake, especially if betting on his cardio failing by the 6th.

I wasnt disputing that . Im just saying it shouldn't cause a prfessional athlete to gas that bad. Especially considering he was doing it walking pace and with nothing whatsover coming back.

You mention he was sick which may be a fair point but it also happened him mid 2nd round of the 2nd fight .

wonderfullife · 27-06-2017 01:32PM

Sweet Science wrote: »

I wasnt disputing that . Im just saying it shouldn't cause a prfessional athlete to gas that bad. Especially considering he was doing it walking pace and with nothing whatsover coming back.

You mention he was sick which may be a fair point but it also happened him mid 2nd round of the 2nd fight .

But no 2 professional athletes are identical so you can't say it shouldn't cause one to gas. Michael Bisping has a resting heart rate of 35 beats per minute. He's a cardio-machine and can maintain a high output for 25 minutes. Yoel Romero can't maintain that sort of pace whatsoever but he has explosive movements that Bisping physically can't perform to the same level.

I'm 100% positive that both are dedicated professional athletes but they are just built differently and they fight differently. One of them gasses before the other one but the trade-off is power. Conor will always be prone to gassing earlier in fights than Nate, because he uses more explosive movements. The fact he threw over 120 strikes against Nate in 7 minutes wasn't sustainable without a cardio dip.

The key for Conor wasn't trying to turn himself into an endurance athlete by changing his whole fighting style. The key was to learn the lessons from the Diaz 1 fight and learn to recover in-the-fight. He did that pretty successfully when you look at Round 4.

Furthermore, and if you take nothing else away from my post make it this:

Mayweather throws an average of 38.5 shots per round.
Nate Diaz threw an average of 85 strikes per round against Conor (which was a record at the time).

For comparison, that works out at 12.8 shots per minute for Mayweather and 17 strikes per minute for Diaz.

Part of the reason Conor gassed against Nate is that Nate put a pace on Conor that was basically unprecedented and allowed Conor absolutely no recovery time in rounds. He was always throwing, which meant Conor's only time to fill his lungs was on the stool between rounds.

Floyd fights at a far-less-hectic pace, and while he'll be more accurate than Nate, it'll still allow Conor to recover more in-rounds with less shots coming at him.

Sweet Science · 27-06-2017 01:57PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

But no 2 professional athletes are identical so you can't say it shouldn't cause one to gas. Michael Bisping has a resting heart rate of 35 beats per minute. He's a cardio-machine and can maintain a high output for 25 minutes. Yoel Romero can't maintain that sort of pace whatsoever but he has explosive movements that Bisping physically can't perform to the same level.

I'm 100% positive that both are dedicated professional athletes but they are just built differently and they fight differently. One of them gasses before the other one but the trade-off is power. Conor will always be prone to gassing earlier in fights than Nate, because he uses more explosive movements. The fact he threw over 120 strikes against Nate in 7 minutes wasn't sustainable without a cardio dip.

The key for Conor wasn't trying to turn himself into an endurance athlete by changing his whole fighting style. The key was to learn the lessons from the Diaz 1 fight and learn to recover in-the-fight. He did that pretty successfully when you look at Round 4.

Furthermore, and if you take nothing else away from my post make it this:

Mayweather throws an average of 38.5 shots per round.
Nate Diaz threw an average of 85 strikes per round against Conor (which was a record at the time).

For comparison, that works out at 12.8 shots per minute for Mayweather and 17 strikes per minute for Diaz.

Part of the reason Conor gassed against Nate is that Nate put a pace on Conor that was basically unprecedented and allowed Conor absolutely no recovery time in rounds. He was always throwing, which meant Conor's only time to fill his lungs was on the stool between rounds.

Floyd fights at a far-less-hectic pace, and while he'll be more accurate than Nate, it'll still allow Conor to recover more in-rounds with less shots coming at him.

Lol

Nate was a punchbag in the first round of his first fight . The second find aswel tbh . His output had nothing to do with Conor having such a sharp drop.

I agree no two atheletes are the same . Conors stamina is poor from what we have seen to date .

My point being that i would worry for him as the rounds go on.

darced · 27-06-2017 02:04PM

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walshb · 27-06-2017 02:10PM

darced wrote: »

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This size difference is an exaggeration. The real difference is just one inch in height. So what if Conor is broader and weighs heavier...

Floyd has fought the likes of Corrales at 130 lbs whilst giving away 3-4 inches in height and 10-15 lbs of weight.

There are other examples where Floyd was smaller both there and then (in the ring) and naturally.

Put it this way, if Conor was a boxer he'd be 154 lbs and 160 at a stretch. His range would be 147-160 lbs.

The shock will be when they are face to face and they are meeting eye to eye with no real clear height advantage.

And the biggest shock will be for Conor should Floyd allow him in close during their dance where not only will he be lost, but he will be dominated physically.

Sweet Science · 27-06-2017 02:10PM

darced wrote: »

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I'd say his legs will look huge compared to Floyds .

Lukker- · 27-06-2017 02:13PM

walshb wrote: »

This size difference is an exaggeration. The real difference is just one inch in height. So what if Conor is broader and weighs heavier...

Floyd has fought the likes of Corrales at 130 lbs whilst giving away 3-4 inches in height and 10-15 lbs of weight.

There are other examples where Floyd was smaller both there and then (in the ring) and naturally.

Put it this way, if Conor was a boxer he'd be 154 lbs and 160 at a stretch. His range would be 147-160 lbs.

No way Conor makes 147 with boxing's weight checks. He'd have started at 154 and worked his way to 160

Sweet Science · 27-06-2017 02:14PM

walshb wrote: »

This size difference is an exaggeration. The real difference is just one inch in height. So what if Conor is broader and weighs heavier...

Floyd has fought the likes of Corrales at 130 lbs whilst giving away 3-4 inches in height and 10-15 lbs of weight.

There are other examples where Floyd was smaller both there and then (in the ring) and naturally.

Put it this way, if Conor was a boxer he'd be 154 lbs and 160 at a stretch. His range would be 147-160 lbs.

The shock will be when they are face to face and they are meeting eye to eye with no real clear height advantage.

And the biggest shock will be for Conor should Floyd allow him in close during their dance where not only will he be lost, but he will be dominated physically.

Cotto Oscar Canelo Ortiz etc

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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