Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

darced

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Sweet Science

darced wrote: »

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Yes but with boxing gloves on its a lot different. I can see where you are coming from though as the clinch would be his best chance to land .

Sweet Science

wonderfullife wrote: »

I think he can still make 145lbs if he borderline kills himself to do it but I don't see him being as effective over 12-rounds doing it.

Even 154lbs is still a 20lb weight cut for him.



Holly Holm came out and said she expects Conor to be very good in the clinch exchanges with Floyd. She's the best placed observer given she was a world champion boxer and a world champion in MMA.

Mind you, she also gives Conor a decent chance of WINNING. So you'd probably dismiss her as "clueless" despite the fact she has world titles in both sports.

I doubt she actually believes this.

Lukker-

DerrickL wrote: »

Why you say that?

Bayless will likely be reffing and he seems to think the clinch has been outlawed

Outlaw Pete

DerrickL wrote: »

Boxers hit far harder than MMA fighters.

What utter rubbish. Some do, some don't.

There is more blunt force involved in mma for a start and so it's fair to say that mma fighters in general get hit harder.......... ever seen a boxer get an injury like this?




With boxing it's more cumulative damage.

Conor's chin is going to be obliterated and body punched to shreds.

Ha. The notion that the punches Floyd throws will be more powerful than anything he has been hit with thus far is absurd! It's Mayweather's skill that will be the major obstacle, not his power ffs.

walshb

There's an awful lot of assumptions on what the non boxer will be able to do in the boxing ring under boxing rules.

Outlaw Pete

There's an awful lot of assumptions on what the non boxer won't be able to do in a boxing ring under boxing rules also.

Sweet Science

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What utter rubbish. Some do, some don't.

There is more blunt force involved in mma for a start and so it's fair to say that mma fighters in general get hit harder.......... ever seen a boxer get an injury like this?




With boxing it's more cumulative damage.



Ha. The notion that the punches Floyd throws will be more powerful than anything he has been hit with thus far is absurd! It's Mayweather's skill that will be the major obstacle, not his power ffs.

Ah come on now . And that was after a knee by the way from MVP

Sweet Science

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

There's an awful lot of assumptions on what the non boxer won't be able to do in a boxing ring under boxing rules also.

Lol exactly . That would would be the logical thing.

cloudatlas

Sweet Science wrote: »

I doubt she actually believes this.

She gave them both a decent chance of winning, she didn't come out on either side.

“I do think the longer the fight goes – I mean that's Mayweather's style – the longer the fight goes he really gets people's timing and really starts to pick them apart,” continued Holm. “If McGregor wins, it will be in the early rounds. If it goes longer, it goes to Mayweather. Anything can happen in that fight.”- Holly Holm

Sweet Science

cloudatlas wrote: »

She gave them both a decent chance of winning, she didn't come out on either side.

“I do think the longer the fight goes – I mean that's Mayweather's style – the longer the fight goes he really gets people's timing and really starts to pick them apart,” continued Holm. “If McGregor wins, it will be in the early rounds. If it goes longer, it goes to Mayweather. Anything can happen in that fight.”- Holly Holm

We can all agree she talked pc nonsense

walshb

Sweet Science wrote: »

Yes but with boxing gloves on its a lot different. I can see where you are coming from though as the clinch would be his best chance to land .

Land what? Back of the head shots? Low blows?

To date Conor has shown no inside game in pro boxing. I don't think you will see it in August.

Outlaw Pete

Sweet Science wrote: »

Ah come on now . And that was after a knee by the way from MVP

What do mean "ah come on now"?

People are suggesting that Conor won't be able to take the kind of powerful shots Mayweather will be throwing...... the point is that McGregor has taken knees to the damn face which has considerably more blunt force (or lbf... pound force) than anything Mayweather could throw and he has never been KO'd. Cumulative punches from Mayweather could for sure win him the fight but it's laughable to say Mayweather will actually hit McGregor harder than he has ever been hit. Not a hope.

Sweet Science

walshb wrote: »

Land what? Back of the head shots? Low blows?

To date Conor has shown no inside game in pro boxing. I don't think you will see it in August.

No we are arguing ha . I didnt say he would land clean shots . I just said it would be his best chance

Sweet Science

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What do mean "ah come on now"?

People are suggesting that Conor won't be able to take the kind of powerful shots Mayweather will be throwing...... the point is that McGregor has taken knees to the damn face which has considerably more blunt force (or lbf... pound force) than anything Mayweather could throw.

Cumulative punches from Mayweather could for sure result in a KO but it's laughable to say Mayweather will hit him harder than he has already been hit. Not a hope.

I think people meant he would punch harder

wonderfullife

Sweet Science wrote: »

I doubt she actually believes this.

Sweet Science wrote: »

We can all agree she talked pc nonsense

I didn't realise you boxing forum guys had such amazing psychic abilities.

You guys have now read minds and told us the following:

1. Conor doesn't believe he will win, despite him saying so.
2. John Kavanagh doesn't believe Conor will win, despite him saying so.
3. Holly Holm doesn't believe Conor can win, despite her saying he can.

We can't "all agree it's nonsense" because those of us who follow MMA know that Conor McGregor, John Kavanagh and Holly Holm are not shrinking violets who say stuff they don't believe.

It might be hard to wrap your brains around but there are many people who believe Conor can win and will win.

Sweet Science

wonderfullife wrote: »

I didn't realise you boxing forum guys had such amazing psychic abilities.

You guys have now read minds and told us the following:

1. Conor doesn't believe he will win, despite him saying so.
2. John Kavanagh doesn't believe Conor will win, despite him saying so.
3. Holly Holm doesn't believe Conor can win, despite her saying he can.

We can't "all agree it's nonsense" because those of us who follow MMA know that Conor McGregor, John Kavanagh and Holly Holm are not shrinking violets who say stuff they don't believe.

It might be hard to wrap your brains around but there are many people who believe Conor can win and will win.

I'd say there are people who think he will win . You are possibly one . They are delusional though.

Outlaw Pete

Sweet Science wrote: »

I think people meant he would punch harder

Eh, I know.... which was why I started out by saying 'Some do, some don't'.

Referencing how mma fighters like Conor take knees to the head on the regular, without being knocked out, was to show how foolish it is to say that he would be troubled by the power from Mayweather's punch given that mma fighters don't punch as hard.

Penny dropping there yet?

Again: it is the cumulative effect of Mayweather's punches (given his boxing skills) which Conor has to worry about not his power.... he's been hit with far more power and it din't faze him.

Sweet Science

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Eh, I know.... which was why I started out by saying 'Some do, some don't'.

Referencing how mma fighters like Conor take knees to the head on the regular, without being knocked out, was to show how foolish it is to say that he would be troubled by the power from Mayweather's punch given that mma fighters don't punch as hard.

Penny dropping there yet?

Again: it is the cumulative effect of Mayweather's punches (given his boxing skills) which Conor has to worry about not his power.... he's been hit with far more power and it din't faze him.

I think you misunderstood the point

Fromvert

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Eh, I know.... which was why I started out by saying 'Some do, some don't'.

Referencing how mma fighters like Conor take knees to the head on the regular, without being knocked out, was to show how foolish it is to say that he would be troubled by the power from Mayweather's punch given that mma fighters don't punch as hard.

Penny dropping there yet?

Again: it is the cumulative effect of Mayweather's punches (given his boxing skills) which Conor has to worry about not his power.... he's been hit with far more power and it din't faze him.

More goes into KO'ing someone than just sheer power. The accuracy and timing of the shot is vital.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but your posts read as if power is the only thing involved in KO'ing someone.

wonderfullife

Sweet Science wrote: »

I'd say there are people who think he will win . You are possibly one . They are delusional though.

That's fair to say people are delusional but don't keep saying they don't believe it. Just take them at face value

I've said from day 1 Conor can win this fight but I'm still leaning Floyd round 9. I might change my pick depending on how the next 7 weeks unfold.

Cris Cyborg sparred Claressa Shields the other day. Yes Shields comfortably got the better of the session but Cris still landed.

Conor will land plenty. Floyd's a boxer not a cat.

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's fair to say people are delusional but don't keep saying they don't believe it. Just take them at face value

I've said from day 1 Conor can win this fight but I'm still leaning Floyd round 9. I might change my pick depending on how the next 7 weeks unfold.

Cris Cyborg sparred Claressa Shields the other day. Yes Shields comfortably got the better of the session but Cris still landed.

Conor will land plenty. Floyd's a boxer not a cat.

Dont ever compare Claressa Shields to Floyd Mayweather, or McGregor to Cyborg for that matter.

Outlaw Pete

Sweet Science wrote: »

I think you misunderstood the point

I understand the point perfectly well:

The user said that punches in mma are (generally speaking) not as powerful as the punches which are thrown in boxing and my response to that is: 'some are, some aren't, depends on the fighter' really but it doesn't really matter if they are or not anyway as the point I am making is that mma fighters tend to get hit which far more blunt force to offset that difference between the two sports......... and not just from knees either. A punch thrown by a fighter wearing an mma glove has more lbf than a punch thrown by the very same fighter wearing a boxing glove. Which is why if I hit you with a hammer it would hurt much more than if I hit you with a hammer wrapped in a pillow... same weight, but it's far more condensed.

Don't believe that, listen to Ray Mercer talk about the difference between being hit by a boxing glove compared to being hit with an mma glove:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbAxheqajKg

Again: the power of force from a punch from Mayweather will not be anything that McGregor hasn't being hit with many times before in many different forms (head kicks, head strikes while grounded, knees etc). It's the cumulative effect of punches which will be new to Conor though (given how many punches boxers throw compare to mma fighters).

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

1. Conor doesn't believe he will win, despite him saying so.
2. John Kavanagh doesn't believe Conor will win, despite him saying so.
3. Holly Holm doesn't believe Conor can win, despite her saying he can.

Hilarious!

walshb

wonderfullife wrote: »

It might be hard to wrap your brains around but there are many people who believe Conor can win and will win.

They're having a laugh those people. The bigger laugh is you not laughing!

Depp

I can't wait till this is all over and we have our mma forum back from all the boxing purists desperate to tell us how great boxing is

also what i find funny about the whole thing is its mostly people who've competed at high levels of both boxing and mma who are saying conor can win, such attention seekers, obviously guys on the internet who boxed a bit of amateur when they were younger are the real experts on the differences between striking in boxing and mma :rolleyes:

jcd5971

Lukker- wrote:

Bayless will likely be reffing and he seems to think the clinch has been outlawed

Well in John kavanagh ama here on boards. John intimated that they would be making an objection to Bayless as ref as he has biased him self with comments to various entities.

hewhoscares

Louis Adolphe a sparring partner for Conor.

a 6-0 welterweight from England with a good am record.

Outlaw Pete

Fromvert wrote: »

More goes into KO'ing someone than just sheer power. The accuracy and timing of the shot is vital.
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but your posts read as if power is the only thing involved in KO'ing someone.

I am speaking about power because that is what the user cited.. maybe make these arguments to them as I certainly don't think these things at all. In fact I have said in the above posts that the cumulative effect of punches from Floyd is what will most likely result in Conor being beaten.

Oh and it's: "Precision beats power, timing beats speed"

Fromvert

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I am speaking about power because that is what the user cited.. maybe make these arguments to them as I certainly don't think these things at all. In fact I have said in the above posts that the cumulative effect of punches from Floyd is what will most likely result in Conor being beaten.

Oh and it's: "Precision beats power, timing beats speed"

Do you think because McGregor has taken knees, hard shots etc before and not been KO'd, he can't get put to sleep by a single punch from Mayweather?