Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

EagererBeaver

jcd5971 wrote: »

Well in John kavanagh ama here on boards. John intimated that they would be making an objection to Bayless as ref as he has biased him self with comments to various entities.

John, like Conor, will do what he's told when it comes to anything to do with this fight. Gift horse, mouth etc.

wonderfullife

EagererBeaver wrote: »

John, like Conor, will do what he's told when it comes to anything to do with this fight. Gift horse, mouth etc.

It's not Floyd's decision.

If John lodges an objection to Bayless, then it's adjudicated by the sanctioning body which is looking like the WBC.

They *might* uphold the objection based on his comments or they might just come out and say "We've full confidence in Kenny".

I'll say this though - the last 5 objections lodged to the WBC about ref's were all dismissed.

Sofiztikated

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's not Floyd's decision.

If John lodges an objection to Bayless, then it's adjudicated by the sanctioning body which is looking like the WBC.

They *might* uphold the objection based on his comments or they might just come out and say "We've full confidence in Kenny".

I'll say this though - the last 5 objections lodged to the WBC about ref's were all dismissed.

I'm seeing a trend with boxing people, and being adamant they are right.

DerrickL

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

What utter rubbish. Some do, some don't.

There is more blunt force involved in mma for a start and so it's fair to say that mma fighters in general get hit harder.......... ever seen a boxer get an injury like this?




With boxing it's more cumulative damage.



Ha. The notion that the punches Floyd throws will be more powerful than anything he has been hit with thus far is absurd! It's Mayweather's skill that will be the major obstacle, not his power ffs.

Are you honestly trying to get me to believe that that injury came from a punch?

Boxers punch stronger, faster and harder than MMA fighters. It is a fact.

I see Conor's head coach is getting his excuses in early by accessing the potential referee of bias. Conor should be happy to have a ref in there that will call off the fight quickly.

Outlaw Pete

Fromvert wrote: »

Do you think because McGregor has taken knees, hard shots etc before and not been KO'd, he can't get put to sleep by a single punch from Mayweather?

He could be put to sleep by one punch from Mayweather if there was already a cumulative effect on him from being punched many times previously alright.

Like Ortiz for example (or was that two punches).

But do I think Mayweather could knock Conor out with one punch at the start of Round One? Not a hope.

In fact I would say if McGrgeor allowed Mayweather one free punch.... he'd have no problem standing back up before a ten count.

Depp

DerrickL wrote: »

Boxers punch stronger, faster and harder than MMA fighters. It is a fact.

if its a fact surely you can provide evidence? because that seems like biased nonsense tbh

Fromvert

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

He could be put to sleep by one punch from Mayweather if there was already a cumulative effect on him from being punched many times previously alright.

Like Ortiz for example (or was that two punches).

But do I think Mayweather could knock Conor out with one punch at the start of Round One? Not a hope.

In fact I would say if McGrgeor allowed Mayweather one free punch.... he'd have no problem standing back up before a ten count.

Ok, I think you've crazy beliefs so will leave it :pac:

Outlaw Pete

DerrickL wrote: »

Are you honestly trying to get me to believe that that injury came from a punch?

Read the words in posts. Don't just look at the pictures.

Fromvert wrote: »

Ok, I think you've crazy beliefs so will leave it :pac:

No, tell us. Who has Mayweather knocked out with one punch? (that wasn't trying to apologize to him at the time I mean)

Maybe you can convince me I'm wrong.

Fromvert

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

No, tell us. Who has Mayweather knocked out with one punch? (that wasn't trying to apologize to him at the time I mean)

Maybe you can convince me I'm wrong.

I think you're crazy that you believe it's impossible a professional boxer in Mayweather can't KO McGregor with one shot. Even with a free shot!

darced

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wonderfullife

DerrickL wrote: »

I see Conor's head coach is getting his excuses in early by accessing the potential referee of bias. Conor should be happy to have a ref in there that will call off the fight quickly.

I don't know if you're trolling but that's not *at all* what John was trying to do.

He said he would lodge an objection to the ref if Bayless is nominated to ref the fight and there's no guarantee Bayless is the one put forward. If John McCarthy went on record saying Katie Taylor shouldn't be allowed to compete in MMA, then he absolutely shouldn't ref her fight.

It's really simple - referees in all sports should be totally objective and judge a sporting contest on its merits and apply the rules. They should not be carrying in preconceptions one way or another. There's no suggestion that Bayless is a corrupt or dirty official and no suggestion he would be actively pro-Floyd or anti-Conor. I'm sure he'd do a really good job.

But his comments should automatically disqualify him from the bout.

Outlaw Pete

Fromvert wrote: »

I think you're crazy that you believe it's impossible a professional boxer in Mayweather can't KO McGregor with one shot. Even with a free shot!

We're not talking about ANY professional boxer though.. nor indeed ANY mma fighter.

We're specifically talking about the possibility of Mayweather being able to knock McGregor down with one punch for a standing count of ten... not happening.

But I've reasoned why I think he wouldn't be able to do it.... what's your reasoning for thinking that he could?

Fromvert

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

We're not talking about ANY professional boxer though.. nor indeed ANY mma fighter.

We're specifically talking about the possibility of Mayweather being able to knock McGregor down with one punch for a standing count of ten... not happening.

But I've reasoned why I think he wouldn't be able to do it.... what's your reasoning for thinking that he could?

Because all it takes is a good clean, well timed shot to the chin to KO anyone. Saying he couldn't do it even with a free shot is crazy!

EagererBeaver

wonderfullife wrote: »

It's not Floyd's decision.

If John lodges an objection to Bayless, then it's adjudicated by the sanctioning body which is looking like the WBC.

They *might* uphold the objection based on his comments or they might just come out and say "We've full confidence in Kenny".

I'll say this though - the last 5 objections lodged to the WBC about ref's were all dismissed.

Where did you see about the WBC being a sanctioning body? It's not a title fight, don't see why they'd need to be involved.

You're correct that it's not Floyd's decision. You're also not naive enough to believe that the NSAC, USADA, WBC or whoever are transparent organisations who play by the rules at all times. It's boxing. It's Vegas. It stinks. Floyd has disproportionate influence on the conditions of his own fights.

wonderfullife

darced wrote: »

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Definite plus-point. Up until the Diaz contests, Conor had 21 fights and the average fight time for all of those fights was 4 minutes 43 seconds, so he wasn't even in the cage a lot to be hit.

The other way of looking at it is Floyd has taken literally hundreds more punches to the head in his 49-0 career than Conor has in his 21-3 career. All that being said, Conor can't live on his chin like he did in the Mendes fight. I'm positive he will respect Floyd's skills and punching power.

wonderfullife

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Where did you see about the WBC being a sanctioning body? It's not a title fight, don't see why they'd need to be involved.

You're correct that it's not Floyd's decision. You're also not naive enough to believe that the NSAC, USADA, WBC or whoever are transparent organisations who play by the rules at all times. It's boxing. It's Vegas. It stinks. Floyd has disproportionate influence on the conditions of his own fights.

Maybe.

Head of WBC said they are open in principle to putting one of their Diamond Belt World Titles on the line for McGregor v Mayweather, so that they would be fighting for a championship belt.

darced

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Outlaw Pete

Fromvert wrote: »

Because all it takes is a good clean shot to the chin to KO anyone. Saying he couldn't do even with a free shot is crazy!

You're speaking generally again.... but we are talking about Floyd Mayweather and McGregor.

Floyd doesn't have a KO power punch and Conor's chin is solid. So it ain't gonna happen.

The other way around though... perhaps, as there is supporting evidence for that given that McGregor has knocked out out a ten year long standing champ with his first punch in the fight.

EagererBeaver

wonderfullife wrote: »

Maybe.

Head of WBC said they are open in principle to putting one of their Diamond Belt World Titles on the line for McGregor v Mayweather, so that they would be fighting for a championship belt.

Pffft. Can't imagine either of them give a ****e about a belt and certainly not enough to pay sanctioning fees. Sulaiman is a complete ****tard, just like his da, and likely just trying to muscle in on some of the publicity.

DerrickL

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You're speaking generally again.... but we are talking about Floyd Mayweather and McGregor.

Floyd doesn't have a KO power punch and Conor's chin is solid. So it ain't gonna happen.

The other way around though... perhaps, as there is supporting evidence for that given that McGregor has knocked out out a ten year long standing champ with his first punch in the fight.

Conor's chin is suspect. Mendes stunned him, Diaz wobbled him numerous times and Mayweather is a far stronger puncher than Diaz.

Fromvert

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You're speaking generally again.... but we are talking about Floyd Mayweather and McGregor.

Floyd doesn't have a KO power punch and Conor's chin is solid. So it ain't gonna happen.

The other way around though... perhaps, as there is supporting evidence for that given that McGregor has knocked out out a ten year long standing champ with his first punch in the fight.

I'm speaking about this fight. Floyd could land a shot, for example as darced said above, as Conor is swinging, missses, Floyd lands on the chin and down he goes.
I'm saying it could happen, not that it will, you have some definitive idea that a flash KO can't happen. Which is a silly way to think in combat sports.

wonderfullife

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Pffft. Can't imagine either of them give a ****e about a belt and certainly not enough to pay sanctioning fees. Sulaiman is a complete ****tard, just like his da, and likely just trying to muscle in on some of the publicity.

Never underestimate how the general public/casual fans perceive belts.

People without a clue about either sport will read headlines like: "McGregor fighting Mayweather for World Boxing Championship Belt" and believe whoever wins is the best boxer in the world.

They'll definitely try put a belt on the line. (Also the cynical side of it is that 'WBC' is written on the front of the belt. An image of Floyd or Conor holding it after the fight will go viral - free publicity).

wonderfullife

Fromvert wrote: »

I'm speaking about this fight. Floyd could land a shot, for example as darced said above, as Conor is swinging, missses, Floyd lands on the chin and down he goes.
I'm saying it could happen, not that it will, you have some definitive idea that a flash KO can't happen. Which is a silly way to think in combat sports.

They can both flatten each other with one accurate punch. 100%.

A double-KO would be something! Came so close with Fedor-Mitrione :pac:

Fromvert

wonderfullife wrote: »

They can both flatten each other with one accurate punch. 100%.

A double-KO would be something! Came so close with Fedor-Mitrione :pac:

McGregor confused from the knockdown pounds out Mayweather on pure instinct :pac:

I don't give McGregor much of chance but he could somehow flash KO him. I find it hard to see how Mayweather leaves himself open enough for it to happen but it could.

Django99

wonderfullife wrote: »

I didn't realise you boxing forum guys had such amazing psychic abilities.

You guys have now read minds and told us the following:

1. Conor doesn't believe he will win, despite him saying so.
2. John Kavanagh doesn't believe Conor will win, despite him saying so.
3. Holly Holm doesn't believe Conor can win, despite her saying he can.

We can't "all agree it's nonsense" because those of us who follow MMA know that Conor McGregor, John Kavanagh and Holly Holm are not shrinking violets who say stuff they don't believe.

It might be hard to wrap your brains around but there are many people who believe Conor can win and will win.

I believe that McGregor believes he can win.

I don't care what Kavanagh thinks as he has nothing to do with boxing and is becoming more arrogant by the minute. I have no idea why he has anything to do with this fight.

With all due respect to Holly Holm, women's boxing and MMA are worlds apart in terms of standards. Men's boxing and MMA are so far ahead in almost every aspect. Hence why we saw Ronda Rousey as a champ with terrible boxing skills that took a fair few fights to get discovered.

Women can take up MMA or boxing in their 20s and get to the top level in the world in a couple of years. That would never happen in MMA or Boxing, other than some extremely rare exceptions.

I also feel she is the ultimate diplomat and never wants to say the wrong thing. She has never said anything controversial or aggressive and never dismissed anyone. I would be shocked if I ever heard her say anything negative about either Mayweather or McGregor in regards to this fight.

Fromvert

Holly Holm 'The Preachers Daughter' - she's not going to say anything controversial.

DerrickL

Fromvert wrote: »

Holly Holm 'The Preachers Daughter' - she's not going to say anything controversial.

Holm has the personality and fighting style of a wet fart. She knows Conor doesn't stand a chance

Outlaw Pete

DerrickL wrote: »

Conor's chin is suspect. Mendes stunned him, Diaz wobbled him numerous times and Mayweather is a far stronger puncher than Diaz.

Diaz wobbled him cause he was gassed..... we are (or at least we were) talking about one single punch omitting all other variables. I have already said that during the fight one punch from either fighter could KO the other. That's a given. I cited the start of the fight for a reason as it removes all other reasons why a fight would go down as a result of a punch.

GerryDerpy

I remember reading that McGregor had very close to the punch power of Tyron Woodley, measured during some media event at Madison Sq Garden last year. He hit harder than the other welterweight Stephen Thompson.

I ain't no boxing guru like those on here, but if he connects with Floyd then it may be enough.

Outlaw Pete

Here's an interesting quote from JK:

"A southpaw’s best weapon is the straight left," Kavanagh told Sky Sports. "For whatever reason, nobody hits harder than Conor. I’ve got heavyweights in my gym and Conor can punch harder.

"Contrary to popular belief, it tends to be tall, lanky, rangy fighters who punch the hardest. The proper technique means a punch comes from your back foot, driving through the leg and hip before power is generated by whipping through the shoulder.

"That seems to be something he just has."