Gamebred wrote: » "Richard"
DerrickL wrote: » Is Conor the biggest fighter that Floyd will have ever faced?
EagererBeaver wrote: » Canelo and de la Hoya probably bigger.
pastorbarrett wrote: » Watching back through a lot of old (mid 2000's) Mayweather fights. Christ, his speed and technique are beguiling. It'll be interesting to see how much of that he still possesses. I'd wager quite a lot given his avowedly monastic life, at least where health matters are concerned...
Lukker- wrote: » De La Hoya is def bigger, Canelo is a short arse, I'd say himself and Conor are the same size.
EagererBeaver wrote: » Then you should have referred to height rather than size. Canelo is huge for a guy who has spent most of his elite career at 154lbs.
wonderfullife wrote: » This will be the biggest stage imaginable. Probably the biggest fight ever, even including the Rumble in the Jungle. The pressure on fight night will be insane. .
walshb wrote: » Is this a wind up? This is not a fight. The rumble was..... This is getting beyond ridiculous in comparing the greatest sportsman in the world in one of sport's all-time greatest events/fights to this novelty act with two posers looking for a payday.
Sofiztikated wrote: » So I see you're back for another wind up?
Sweet Science wrote: » Imagine after Diaz McGregor 1 thinking Conor could last in a boxing bout . He was walking around throwing single punches with nothing coming back at all . The myth that he was loading up is no excuse really . He will simply be unable to protect himself due to exhaustion if this fight was to go to the 6th.
DerrickL wrote: » And even in the second fight Conor gassed even though he claims he didn't receive much fans. Floyd is going to chew him up
Sweet Science wrote: » Imagine after Diaz McGregor 1 thinking Conor could last in a boxing bout . He was walking around throwing single punches with nothing coming back at all . The myth that he was loading up is no excuse really
Lukker- wrote: » He's pretty big alright, wouldn't say he's much thicker than Conor though. Rehydrates to around the same weight 170 on fight nights, as well as being the same height
Burial. wrote: » Canelo used rehydrate to the mid 170s when he was a young pup at 154. He's easily in the 180s now...Khan said 187 when they fought and I believe it. Canelo is huge.
wonderfullife wrote: » The above is factually untrue on about half a dozen levels. 1. Conor had a very bad staph infection for the 2 weeks leading up to the Diaz 1 fight. That's not gonna help anyone's gas tank. 2. Even allowing for being sick, he didn't prepare correctly for the bout with his diet and nutrition. Steaks for breakfast not a good idea apparently. 3. He absolutely loaded-up in the first fight. In Round 1 of the first fight, Conor threw 74 strikes with 37% landing. In Round 1 of the second fight, Conor threw 58 strikes with 58% landing. He went to the head 77% of the time in the first fight. He went to the head 59% of the time in second fight.There is no "myth" that he nd head-hunted. He did just that. loaded up aReaching, lunging and winging punches at Nate's head. Since that first fight, he recognised the need to adapt and change. He has employed a top-class nutritionist in George Lockhart and a sports performance guy in Dr. Julian Dalby, who is uniquely qualified having been an Irish champion in both strength and endurance events. We still saw a huge cardio dip in the Diaz 2 fight but tellingly Conor threw the most strikes of any round in Round 4 (76 strikes) and his accuracy was higher than in rounds 1, 2 and 3 (60%). That's a good sign. Now, he made those nutrition and cardio adjustments in the span of 5 months between the Diaz fights. He will have had an entire year more now between that 2nd fight and the Floyd fight to make further improvements. I still think he will hit his cardio dip/flatspot in this fight but his overall conditioning will be chalk and cheese compared to Diaz 1. TL;DR - Pinning your understanding of Conor's gas tank on Diaz 1 is likely a big mistake, especially if betting on his cardio failing by the 6th.
Sweet Science wrote: » I wasnt disputing that . Im just saying it shouldn't cause a prfessional athlete to gas that bad. Especially considering he was doing it walking pace and with nothing whatsover coming back. You mention he was sick which may be a fair point but it also happened him mid 2nd round of the 2nd fight .
wonderfullife wrote: » But no 2 professional athletes are identical so you can't say it shouldn't cause one to gas. Michael Bisping has a resting heart rate of 35 beats per minute. He's a cardio-machine and can maintain a high output for 25 minutes. Yoel Romero can't maintain that sort of pace whatsoever but he has explosive movements that Bisping physically can't perform to the same level. I'm 100% positive that both are dedicated professional athletes but they are just built differently and they fight differently. One of them gasses before the other one but the trade-off is power. Conor will always be prone to gassing earlier in fights than Nate, because he uses more explosive movements. The fact he threw over 120 strikes against Nate in 7 minutes wasn't sustainable without a cardio dip. The key for Conor wasn't trying to turn himself into an endurance athlete by changing his whole fighting style. The key was to learn the lessons from the Diaz 1 fight and learn to recover in-the-fight. He did that pretty successfully when you look at Round 4.Furthermore, and if you take nothing else away from my post make it this: Mayweather throws an average of 38.5 shots per round. Nate Diaz threw an average of 85 strikes per round against Conor (which was a record at the time). For comparison, that works out at 12.8 shots per minute for Mayweather and 17 strikes per minute for Diaz. Part of the reason Conor gassed against Nate is that Nate put a pace on Conor that was basically unprecedented and allowed Conor absolutely no recovery time in rounds. He was always throwing, which meant Conor's only time to fill his lungs was on the stool between rounds. Floyd fights at a far-less-hectic pace, and while he'll be more accurate than Nate, it'll still allow Conor to recover more in-rounds with less shots coming at him.
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walshb wrote: » This size difference is an exaggeration. The real difference is just one inch in height. So what if Conor is broader and weighs heavier... Floyd has fought the likes of Corrales at 130 lbs whilst giving away 3-4 inches in height and 10-15 lbs of weight. There are other examples where Floyd was smaller both there and then (in the ring) and naturally. Put it this way, if Conor was a boxer he'd be 154 lbs and 160 at a stretch. His range would be 147-160 lbs.
walshb wrote: » This size difference is an exaggeration. The real difference is just one inch in height. So what if Conor is broader and weighs heavier... Floyd has fought the likes of Corrales at 130 lbs whilst giving away 3-4 inches in height and 10-15 lbs of weight.There are other examples where Floyd was smaller both there and then (in the ring) and naturally. Put it this way, if Conor was a boxer he'd be 154 lbs and 160 at a stretch. His range would be 147-160 lbs. The shock will be when they are face to face and they are meeting eye to eye with no real clear height advantage. And the biggest shock will be for Conor should Floyd allow him in close during their dance where not only will he be lost, but he will be dominated physically.
