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Teen who sued soccer club for trauma after he was dropped loses case

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    osarusan wrote: »
    Since the 2012-13 season, so at least 4 years.

    You would think that at some point in that time, they'd realise how utterly stupid the case was.

    That's my point.
    Ok I can maybe understand in the anger and the hurt in the immediate aftermath of the boy being dropped, contacting a solicitor, but to pursue it so doggedly right through his secondary school experience!
    What ****es those parents must be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,915 ✭✭✭worded


    jackwigan wrote: »
    Can we as a society agree to ban the term "snowflake"?

    Makes me twitch a little every time I read it.


    Flake News


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    I was just about to post about this
    . I seen in an article that the father was the couch before the other man was so obviously jealousy got the better.. And I think Ireland is now the new country for sueing.. everyday there is a story on the paper about a stupid case.. It's ridiculous what some people are like.. Money money money...

    I pity the poor young lad,just imagine the bullying he has to go through for his parents greed,

    It's not just bullying this guy will have to deal with as this could have a huge effect on his future employment chances. These days employers check Facebook and google so I could easily see him getting passed over for a job as what business want's to take the risk of getting sued!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭pauliebdub


    Hopefully they will be landed with a very large bill. It's outrageous that there isn't some mechanism in place to prevent such petty frivolous cases coming before the courts in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭deandean


    The kid at the centre of this snowstorm need to fire his 'manager' right now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    Paulzx wrote: »
    What was the name of that "psychologist " again?

    With all due respect the Psychologist, I believe actually a Psychiatrist (correct me if I'm wrong) was doing her job by assessing a child and presenting that information to the court. Psychiatrists are responsible for their patients, not the court cases their patients are involved in.

    She diagnosed PTSD on the back of this event, the actual case itself has nothing to do with her work, she provided information on a patient she assessed, as is her job.. Psychiatrists are HIGHLY trained specialists in their field, irrespective of my opinions on the case I think it's most likely her assessment of PTSD being caused by the events is accurate, if that is the information she presented to the court.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I feel most sorry for the son. He will suffer most from this as his school/college mates will surely not let him forget it and his stupid delusional wanker dad will be sitting at home with his equally stupid delusional wife planning their appeal whereas I'd say the son would probably rather just have forgotten the whole thing years ago like any normal person.

    I hope the father has full costs awarded against him, bringing such a ridiculous claim against an amateur football club will probably ruin the club and that isn't fair. He should shoulder the full costs of the case and be punished if he fails to pay.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pauliebdub wrote: »
    It's outrageous that there isn't some mechanism in place to prevent such petty frivolous cases coming before the courts in the first place.
    There is. As far as I know the test is that an action, where there is no reasonable case to be made out, may be dismissed by a court on its own motion or at the request of the other side.

    The fact that it didn't happen appears to suggest the existence of some psychiatric evidence in terms of the boy (as he was) suffering from PTSD.

    As the above poster said, I don't necessarily doubt that the boy had PTSD, but that may be moreso a reflection of his weak coping abilities than a breach of the club's duty of care.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    biko wrote: »
    Seems the dad is a "my way or the highway" kinda guy.

    I just knew one of his parents had to be involved in some way. When I came across the paragraph about his Da being manager the previous season it all clicked into place. I really hope he didn't drag his son through that just to try get one over somebody.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,201 ✭✭✭languagenerd


    Jesus. As others have said, sports is an area where kids learn to deal with setbacks. You don't always get to win, you don't always get to play, you're not always the best person for the role (or sometimes, you are, and another person gets it over you anyway). That's where parents are meant to step in, acknowledge the child's disappointment and teach them (a) to be proud of what they achieved even when they don't win and/or (b) how to work harder for the next time. You don't just tell them they were wronged, they're the best and you'll get back at the person who didn't choose them/beat them.

    He's 18 now - how will this kid deal with not getting the job after an interview? Getting overlooked for promotion? Not getting his first choice in college? Not getting a house/flat he puts in a bid for? Getting turned down by a potential date?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,042 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    To be honest if I lived in Carrigaline I be traumatised too.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    I'm not doubting he has PTSD.

    I would too if I had parents like that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭please helpThank YOU


    how much will the legal fees and cost for this civil cases cost?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Google that psychologist
    I did lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    222233 wrote: »
    With all due respect the Psychologist, I believe actually a Psychiatrist (correct me if I'm wrong) was doing her job by assessing a child and presenting that information to the court. Psychiatrists are responsible for their patients, not the court cases their patients are involved in.

    She diagnosed PTSD on the back of this event, the actual case itself has nothing to do with her work, she provided information on a patient she assessed, as is her job.. Psychiatrists are HIGHLY trained specialists in their field, irrespective of my opinions on the case I think it's most likely her assessment of PTSD being caused by the events is accurate, if that is the information she presented to the court.
    Google is your friend. And you ought google before composing an argument based on conjecture about a real event. Psychologist and psychiatrist are not the first words that come to mind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Ridiculous but could you blame them for trying given some of the ridiculous pay outs people get. I would not have been overly shocked if they won the case either.

    Ah well as least we know there's limits. The kid could probably genuinely sue his auld fella in a few years for PTSD.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    Jesus. As others have said, sports is an area where kids learn to deal with setbacks. You don't always get to win, you don't always get to play, you're not always the best person for the role (or sometimes, you are, and another person gets it over you anyway). That's where parents are meant to step in, acknowledge the child's disappointment and teach them (a) to be proud of what they achieved even when they don't win and/or (b) how to work harder for the next time. You don't just tell them they were wronged, they're the best and you'll get back at the person who didn't choose them/beat them.

    He's 18 now - how will this kid deal with not getting the job after an interview? Getting overlooked for promotion? Not getting his first choice in college? Not getting a house/flat he puts in a bid for? Getting turned down by a potential date?

    Sue, sue, sue. Sue them all!!!


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    The psychologist that diagnosed this kid with PTSD needs to have their license to practice reviewed. Not only is it extremely unfair on a family to give them a false diagnosis, but it is extremely negligent to make one. There is absolutely no way the psychologist could have deemed this kid meeting the criteria for PTSD at any point.

    Plot twist - PTSD caused by father's behaviour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,292 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    The lad has a fairly big following an Twitter.
    Theirs always parents who go way over the top regarding issues about their children. Ask teachers and coaches of teams of some of the silly things they've to listen to.Whats worst still these people often get involved in parents councils/trainers and they make everything miserable for everybody.
    By the sounds of things the farther didn't have much of a backing from the other parents.
    One thing I do know is bullying can go on in sports clubs right from little local clubs to national teams. The way some people are treated is awful.


  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,358 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    The fact that it didn't happen appears to suggest the existence of some psychiatric evidence in terms of the boy (as he was) suffering from PTSD.

    As the above poster said, I don't necessarily doubt that the boy had PTSD, but that may be moreso a reflection of his weak coping abilities than a breach of the club's duty of care.

    Or it may be to do with being convinced that he had PTSD by his parents. The judge even alluded to it when he said

    "The plaintiff gave evidence, overwhelmed by emotion, totally convinced he suffered injury.”

    Don't forget he was 13/14 when all this happened. Very young and very much under the influence of his parents who did seem to have big problems with the team management. I'm sure the child wasn't brought home, and the matter dropped. I'd guess he was brought into a house where he had to listen to his parents raging on and on about how he was being singled out and bullied, how upset he was, how he lost his chance to play in the UK etc. If you tell a child something often enough, they will fully believe it. Especially coming from the two people they trust most.

    This lad has been listening to this for 5 years. Of course he believes it.

    The psychologist is based in Waterford. How long after the event did she see him? How many psychologists did they go through before they found one who said he was traumatised? And is it fair to say that by the time he got to her he was actually traumatised by it all, not specifically the dealings with the club?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭skankkuvhima


    storker wrote: »
    The only problem with that is that people could end up afraid to take cases even if justified, because of fear of having to lose their home in order to pay costs, which can mount up very quickly. That doesn't mean, however, that they couldn't at least make some contribution based on their income and assets.

    That's rubbish though, is there no onus on the solicitor to pipe up and say "ahh, this hasn't a chance in hell of winning, don't do it. If you do it you will be stuck with all the costs"?

    Or is it the case that no matter how daft the case I'll find a solicitor to represent me? If I want to sue the state because the lizard people running the world are out to get me will I be able to find a solicitor to stand up in court and argue this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Don't forget he was 13/14 when all this happened. Very young and very much under the influence of his parents who did seem to have big problems with the team management. I'm sure the child wasn't brought home, and the matter dropped. I'd guess he was brought into a house where he had to listen to his parents raging on and on about how he was being singled out and bullied, how upset he was, how he lost his chance to play in the UK etc. If you tell a child something often enough, they will fully believe it. Especially coming from the two people they trust most.

    Yes, if he has PTSD his two asshole parents should be sued for causing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    So... an Aston Villa scout at the match.
    Think the coach did the boy a favour by not playing him.

    I still have a trauma from the 1 year i had a coach at youth level whose son was in the team.
    Smallest kid of the team, yet he wanted to play centre forward. So that happened. Couldnt kick a ball straight but dad decided he would take the penalties. After all the little boy was captain of the team....

    Somehow i think something similar was going on while this dad was the coach of the team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    pontoonz wrote: »
    he'd be at home at liverpool

    Kelvin aren't you in enough trouble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Epic fail...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Wonder will they take a case against the courts, for PTSD of the case being dropped?

    You just know they're at home, seething about the unfair treatment they received. Lose? LOSE? THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 646 ✭✭✭hungry hypno toad


    Wonder will they take a case against the courts, for PTSD of the case being dropped?

    You just know they're at home, seething about the unfair treatment they received. Lose? LOSE? THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!

    A bit like the Mr O'Donnell (formerly) of Gorse hill. Lost something like 80 court cases and refused to believe that he might have been in the wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    This appeared on my FB feed last night, right after someone else had shared a BBC News story about a woman who completed the London Marathon last Sunday after suffering with PTSD from the death of her child and husband, it was covered by the Mind Over Marathon show too. She was unable to run on her own at the beginning.

    Whomever diagnosed the disorder for this kid should really be looking into.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    That's rubbish though, is there no onus on the solicitor to pipe up and say "ahh, this hasn't a chance in hell of winning, don't do it. If you do it you will be stuck with all the costs"?

    Or is it the case that no matter how daft the case I'll find a solicitor to represent me? If I want to sue the state because the lizard people running the world are out to get me will I be able to find a solicitor to stand up in court and argue this?
    The answer to both is yes.

    For all intents and purposes, the solicitor acts as extension of the client, one with expert legal knowledge. They are bound by the law to advise their client, not impartially but biased towards the best interests of the client.

    A solicitor cannot force you to do or say (or indeed not do or not say) anything. All they can do is advise you on whether something is the right course of action. They cannot stop you from taking that course.

    In the case of a client who wants to take a ridiculous case, the solicitor can advise the client that it's a ridiculous case, but if the client ignores that and decides to press ahead, the solicitor's only options are to stop representing that client (and the client will find someone else who will take the case), or to assist the client in pressing ahead with the case, while building the best argument they can that is in the best interests of their client.

    I'm sure many many solicitors have found themselves in court presenting farcical scenarios and arguments for their clients, but they've been backed into a corner by a client who refuses to relent.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Jesus. As others have said, sports is an area where kids learn to deal with setbacks. You don't always get to win, you don't always get to play, you're not always the best person for the role (or sometimes, you are, and another person gets it over you anyway). That's where parents are meant to step in, acknowledge the child's disappointment and teach them (a) to be proud of what they achieved even when they don't win and/or (b) how to work harder for the next time. You don't just tell them they were wronged, they're the best and you'll get back at the person who didn't choose them/beat them.

    He's 18 now - how will this kid deal with not getting the job after an interview? Getting overlooked for promotion? Not getting his first choice in college? Not getting a house/flat he puts in a bid for? Getting turned down by a potential date?

    He obviously wouldn't have had a career in football anyway - even if he was talented - given he has PTSD from being dropped.


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