Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 07:59PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

Who are you referring to? Is this one of those bull**** George Soros claims? :rolleyes: Cause that's entire rubbish, the man was 14 by the time the war ended....

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/proof-george-soros-nazi-past-finally-comes-light-discovery-forgotten-interview/

watch from 8:00

silverharp · 18-04-2017 08:01PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is exactly my point. KiA is anti-SJW in a reasonable manner, but they got drowned out during GamerGate by the assholes who were sending death and rape threats by DM on Twitter. They needed to publicly denounce those people as quickly as possible at the start - without doing so, they doomed themselves to the same guilt by association that feminists experience because of SJWs.

I don't see the comparison , its the nature of the web and in particular for an "anti" position to not have any control over who tags along. Im sure anyone that was reasonable would say if someone sends a death threat that's a criminal offense and the police should investigate it. what more do you expect people to do? Unless you can prove KiA organised mass sending of death threats there is no reason for them to be smeared

B_Wayne · 18-04-2017 08:15PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/proof-george-soros-nazi-past-finally-comes-light-discovery-forgotten-interview/

watch from 8:00

I'm perfectly aware of the clip you are referring to already. George Soros was still not a Nazi or a collaborator as you claim.

Soros was 13 years old in March 1944 when Nazi Germany occupied Hungary.[29] Jewish children were barred from attending school by the Nazis, and Soros and the other schoolchildren were made to report to the Judenrat ("Jewish Council") which had been established during the occupation. Soros later described this time to writer Michael Lewis: "The Jewish Council asked the little kids to hand out the deportation notices. I was told to go to the Jewish Council. And there I was given these small slips of paper.... I took this piece of paper to my father. He instantly recognized it. This was a list of Hungarian Jewish lawyers. He said, "You deliver the slips of paper and tell the people that if they report they will be deported."

Soros did not return to that job; his family purchased documents to say that they were Christians, thereby allowing them to survive the war. Later that year at age 14, Soros posed as the Christian godson of an official of the fascist Hungarian government's Ministry of Agriculture, who himself had a Jewish wife in hiding. On one occasion, rather than leave the 14 year old alone, the official took with him while he inventoried a rich Jewish family's estate, though Soros did not take part. Tivadar not only saved his immediate family but also many other Hungarian Jews, and George would later write that 1944 had been "the happiest [year] of his life," for it had given him the opportunity to witness his father's heroism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Early_life_and_education

It's terrible that you're so uninformed that you either chose not to do any further fact check. While the above is quoted from wikipedia, you can cross check their sources. It's entirely accurate. None of the above makes him a war criminal or a collaborator. In fact, some of what he did would be classified as actively resisting eg warning the Jewish lawyers.

The obsession with George Soros and claiming he was a nazi of all things is so incredibly offensive given the fact he is a Jewish survivor of WW2. It's always completely insane sources that literally pick up on a single line from him on 60 minutes and misrepresent his entire background with it. Those who believe it seem to be incapable of research or just want it to be true. Either way, you're most definitely wrong.

hatrickpatrick · 18-04-2017 08:46PM

silverharp wrote: »

I don't see the comparison , its the nature of the web and in particular for an "anti" position to not have any control over who tags along. Im sure anyone that was reasonable would say if someone sends a death threat that's a criminal offense and the police should investigate it. what more do you expect people to do? Unless you can prove KiA organised mass sending of death threats there is no reason for them to be smeared

I'm not smearing KiA, I'm a massive fan. I'm smearing the word "GamerGate" specifically, and I'm not even personally smearing it, I'm merely reiterating what everyone already knows - a group of extremist assholes poisoned the well and have ensured that the word itself will never, ever be taken seriously. The sooner cultural libertarians drop it in favour of something new, the better. Besides, IMO it's not entirely relevant anymore - the culture wars may have kicked into a high gear initially around video games, but they are now seeping into every aspect of culture, such that the 'GamerGate' label is, in my view, too restrictive. This is a conversation which needs to be far wider and broader - it's no longer about trying to counter the SJW influence in video games, because the SJW influence has grown to encompass everything from TV to music. KiA reflects this - it doesn't just talk about games anymore, but about every aspect of culture where SJWs are currently attempting to impose limits on artistic freedom by implementing new 'rules' based on political correctness. Cultural appropriation is a pretty good example - obviously this ideology needs to be fought, and fought hard, by those of us who value artistic freedom but as a musician I can tell you that video games are the tip of the iceberg as far as the poisonous SJW influence goes. Let me put it this way - if Eminem was starting today, he'd be harassed into retirement before ever making it big by people who regard hip hop as "wrong" for a white guy to be involved in.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 09:10PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

A neo-Nazi going mainstream????
Can you show a poll that shows any kind of significant support for Nazi ideology in the USA?

There seems to be a seriously misplaced belief amongst some, that if the far-right are not physically attacked then we could see the re-emergence of the Third Reich.
I've even seen the word inexorable being used.
Like the average family sitting at home watching Eastenders, is a short propoganda peace away from supporting rounding up the Jews.

Richard Spencers event in a Washington DC hotel on inauguration day. Interviews with mainstream media. Milo doing the same up until his pedo comments. Steve Bannons role in the whitehouse. Sebastian Gorka. A lot of white supremacist ideology reaching high places cannot be allowed to become normal or acceptable.

Irish Praetorian · 18-04-2017 09:46PM

20Cent wrote: »

Richard Spencers event in a Washington DC hotel on inauguration day. Interviews with mainstream media. Milo doing the same up until his pedo comments. Steve Bannons role in the whitehouse. Sebastian Gorka. A lot of white supremacist ideology reaching high places cannot be allowed to become normal or acceptable.

Right, because nothing says white supremacist like a guy who spends his night time bottoming black guys.

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 09:50PM

20Cent wrote: »

Richard Spencers event in a Washington DC hotel on inauguration day. Interviews with mainstream media. Milo doing the same up until his pedo comments. Steve Bannons role in the whitehouse. Sebastian Gorka. A lot of white supremacist ideology reaching high places cannot be allowed to become normal or acceptable.

I asked this question earlier & you never answered it so I'll ask again
What do you think of black people who will only date black people?

RWCNT · 18-04-2017 09:59PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Right, because nothing says white supremacist like a guy who spends his night time bottoming black guys.

I don't think Milo is a neo nazi but it irks me when this is used as a defence against against racism. Of course you can be a racist and bang someone of another race. It's like a guy saying "I'm not sexist cos I've banged loads of women".

soups05 · 18-04-2017 10:00PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Right, because nothing says white supremacist like a guy who spends his night time bottoming black guys.

actually he gets bottomed by a black guy, he's a catcher not a pitcher pmsl. there are some bits of info you pick up from his vids that you can't forget, no matter how hard you try.

B_Wayne · 18-04-2017 10:02PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

I asked this question earlier & you never answered it so I'll ask again
What do you think of black people who will only date black people?

While we're at it, would you care to admit that your Soros claim was pure rubbish? You asked, I answered in detail.... Unless you're so predisposed to such a ridiculous view that you refuse to accept you're wrong...

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 10:04PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

While we're at it, would you care to admit that your Soros claim was pure rubbish? You asked, I answered in detail.... Unless you're so predisposed to such a ridiculous view that you refuse to accept you're wrong...

I was just getting to you

B_Wayne · 18-04-2017 10:13PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

I was just getting to you

Let's just remember you're misrepresenting a Jewish survivor of Nazism. Your definition of 'collaborator' is completely inaccurate. Another piece that addresses your long rubbished claims. Hopefully you'll retract your previous statement.

http://archives.cjr.org/the_kicker/toronto_sun_sorry_about_that_n.php

Help!!!! · 18-04-2017 10:17PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

I'm perfectly aware of the clip you are referring to already. George Soros was still not a Nazi or a collaborator as you claim.

It's terrible that you're so uninformed that you either chose not to do any further fact check. While the above is quoted from wikipedia, you can cross check their sources. It's entirely accurate. None of the above makes him a war criminal or a collaborator. In fact, some of what he did would be classified as actively resisting eg warning the Jewish lawyers.

The obsession with George Soros and claiming he was a nazi of all things is so incredibly offensive given the fact he is a Jewish survivor of WW2. It's always completely insane sources that literally pick up on a single line from him on 60 minutes and misrepresent his entire background with it. Those who believe it seem to be incapable of research or just want it to be true. Either way, you're most definitely wrong.

What you quote from wikipedia says he only went out once when in the interview he went out many times taking property off fellow jews,friends & neighbours & had no remorse for it.
Here is a man who gives money to Anti-Israel & Anti-Zionist groups but he saved loads of Jews in WW2

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/dc-leaks-publishes-george-soros-files-showing-millions-contributed-to-anti-israel-causes/2016/08/14/

Irish Praetorian · 18-04-2017 10:23PM

RWCNT wrote: »

I don't think Milo is a neo nazi but it irks me when this is used as a defence against against racism. Of course you can be a racist and bang someone of another race. It's like a guy saying "I'm not sexist cos I've banged loads of women".

I take your point but it seems like a more pithy response to an obviously outrageous claim than say 'Actually Milo has not set forth the kind of views you ascribe to him'.

Irish Praetorian · 18-04-2017 10:26PM

soups05 wrote: »

actually he gets bottomed by a black guy, he's a catcher not a pitcher pmsl. there are some bits of info you pick up from his vids that you can't forget, no matter how hard you try.

I'm afraid you are slightly mistaken in your use of gay-slang. To 'bottom' a guy means to be the submissive partner in a sexual encounter. Now we both know Milo is the submissive in his encounters, the technically correct term is to say he 'bottoms' a guy or conversely that another gentleman 'tops' him.

Anyway's back to the discussion of Antifa...

Donald Trump · 18-04-2017 10:29PM

I looked at the videos of the so-called "protests".

Can nobody show the Yanks how to protest?

I mean I didn't even see one single placard with a Fr. Ted "Careful Now" or "Down with this sort of thing" reference.

Examples

B_Wayne · 18-04-2017 10:31PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

What you quote from wikipedia says he only went out once when in the interview he went out many times taking property off fellow jews,friends & neighbours & had no remorse for it.
Here is a man who gives money to Anti-Israel & Anti-Zionist groups but he saved loads of Jews in WW2

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/dc-leaks-publishes-george-soros-files-showing-millions-contributed-to-anti-israel-causes/2016/08/14/

Many people have issues with the state of Israel and how they operate. He contributed to The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel,, Women against Violence, Arab Association for Human Rights, National Committee of Heads of Arab Local Authorities in Israel,. There's nothing particularly any of the groups they mentioned to the best of my knowledge. So throwing out links makes you no less intelligible.

He would have been aged 14, pretending not to be Jewish. He was not the only Jewish person in that situation and none would have been classified as collaborators by any historian or semi decent person. Your utterly terrible grasp of the situation that these people were in just displays an inability to empathise with his situation. It seems like you have a thing against Soros but when your shown up as wrong, you double down.

By the way, can you find a reputable historian or anyone credible that would actually agree with your claim? The Anti Defamation League for example have condemned claims like yours. They literally combat things like anti semitism...

soups05 · 18-04-2017 10:37PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I'm afraid you are slightly mistaken in your use of gay-slang. To 'bottom' a guy means to be the submissive partner in a sexual encounter. Now we both know Milo is the submissive in his encounters, the technically correct term is to say he 'bottoms' a guy or conversely that another gentleman 'tops' him.

Anyway's back to the discussion of Antifa...

I bow to your greater knowledge of the slang. I learned something new today lol, thank you.

Donald Trump · 18-04-2017 10:38PM

NinjaKirby wrote: »

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Some photos from angles other than that of the video show that she was attempting to use a bottle on someone before she was punched that first time (which resulted in her cap being knocked off):

Yeah, this puts a completely different spin on things. If she is legitimately trying to hit people with a bottle then I have no issue with someone punching her out.

I'm not comfortable with the idea that because someone is "anti-fascist" then any bad behavior they might be participating in becomes acceptable.

Let's be honest here, the vast majority of us do not agree with, and do not promote, fascism at all.

You don't get a cookie for being "anti-fascist". Most right minded people are against fascism.

So proclaiming yourself "anti-fascist" is not a license to run around acting like an idiot.

A few posters on here seem awful upset that their beloved antifa crowd took a beating from a bunch of neo-nazis and then ran away with their tails between their legs. What did they expect though?

I don't think it puts a huge difference on things. She wasn't holding a bottle or anything when your man ran in from the side and clocked her.
There are a lot of people in the crowd with helmets and motorbike gear/armour .....If I had to choose, and I had the choice between wearing a motorbike helmet or being armed with a bottle for any type of fight/scuffle, I'd take the helmet any day
Regardless, she was unarmed at the time he ran in from the side and stuck her.

20Cent · 18-04-2017 10:53PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

I asked this question earlier & you never answered it so I'll ask again
What do you think of black people who will only date black people?

Are you trying to make a "but other people are racist too" excuse? Not really interested in that thanks

Yourself isit · 18-04-2017 10:57PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

What you quote from wikipedia says he only went out once when in the interview he went out many times taking property off fellow jews,friends & neighbours & had no remorse for it.
Here is a man who gives money to Anti-Israel & Anti-Zionist groups but he saved loads of Jews in WW2

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/dc-leaks-publishes-george-soros-files-showing-millions-contributed-to-anti-israel-causes/2016/08/14/

Why the obsession with Israel one way or the other? It's not a western state.

Yourself isit · 18-04-2017 11:02PM

Except as to how it affects non-US citizens I don't really care about internal American politics that much, the monkey may change but the organ grinder doesn't (certainly not in terms of foreign policy) but it would be nice if an anti fascist group in the US protested imperialism and not free speech.

Ulysses Gaze · 18-04-2017 11:16PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I looked at the videos of the so-called "protests".

Can nobody show the Yanks how to protest?

I mean I didn't even see one single placard with a Fr. Ted "Careful Now" or "Down with this sort of thing" reference.

Examples

I was disappointed there were no "Wenger Out" placards as there have been at Anti-Trump rallies in London.

Depp · 18-04-2017 11:36PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

I was disappointed there were no "Wenger Out" placards as there have been at Anti-Trump rallies in London.

and not even a single ''mayo 4 sam'' to be seen!

RDM_83 again · 19-04-2017 12:24AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I don't think it puts a huge difference on things. She wasn't holding a bottle or anything when your man ran in from the side and clocked her.
There are a lot of people in the crowd with helmets and motorbike gear/armour .....If I had to choose, and I had the choice between wearing a motorbike helmet or being armed with a bottle for any type of fight/scuffle, I'd take the helmet any day
Regardless, she was unarmed at the time he ran in from the side and stuck her.

She is holding a bottle by the neck in the photo's though or am I missing something?
Getting ready to hit someone with a glass wine bottle like that could easily sever an artery or windpipe its not something to be passed of as equivalent too wearing a helmet.

Hank Scorpio · 19-04-2017 12:27AM

Only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured or killed, you can see the slimy long haired guy pull a knife at 43 seconds

Glenster · 19-04-2017 12:30AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured or killed, you can see the slimy long haired guy pull a knife at 43 seconds

Hick travels halfway across the country to sucker punch children.

Depp · 19-04-2017 12:32AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Only a matter of time before someone gets seriously injured or killed, you can see the slimy long haired guy pull a knife at 43 seconds

the other scumbag blindsiding him with the skateboard aswel, brave enough when they outnumber someone 5 to 1 arent they?

only a matter of time untill we see something serious happen. seems to be a lot of talk from them about starting to bring guns to these events. worrying times ahead.

Hank Scorpio · 19-04-2017 12:33AM

Glenster wrote: »

Hick travels halfway across the country to sucker punch children.

The guy learned a valuable lesson. Next time he'll think twice about getting in someones face mouthing off.

Glenster · 19-04-2017 12:34AM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The guy learned a valuable lesson. Next time he'll think twice about getting in someones face mouthing off.

What about his free speech?

Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

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