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Japan 2019 World Cup draw

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Have Italy qualified automatically? They are 15th behind Samoa, Tonga, Georgia and Fiji in the world rankings


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Have Italy qualified automatically? They are 15th behind Samoa, Tonga, Georgia and Fiji in the world rankings

    Yes, Top 3 in every group at the last World Cup qualifies automatically.


    *****
    Ireland Possible groups.
    Ireland(1), South Africa(2), Argentina (3).
    Ireland(1), Scotland(2), Japan(3).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,599 ✭✭✭ScrubsfanChris


    Yes, Top 3 in every group at the last World Cup qualifies automatically.


    *****
    Ireland Possible groups.
    Ireland(1), South Africa(2), Argentina (3).
    Ireland(1), Scotland(2), Japan(3).
    Forgotten about that :/
    Scotland as the 2nd best seed in the group would do nicely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Yes, Top 3 in every group at the last World Cup qualifies automatically.


    *****
    Ireland Possible groups.
    Ireland(1), South Africa(2), Argentina (3).
    Ireland(1), Scotland(2), Japan(3).

    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?

    No it's just a possible group


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?

    No absolutely not. Ireland can have any of the following.

    Scotland OR Wales OR South Africa OR France

    And

    Argentina OR Fiji OR Japan OR Georgia


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    nc6000 wrote: »
    Is this correct that we'll definitely have one of those groups?

    Sorry, that was just a best/worst case sort of thing.

    Could also get any of the other teams from Pot 2 (France or Wales) or Pot 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    This is the thing about the rankings. It's great being top 4, but we could still end up with France/South Africa and Argentina in our pool. I've still no idea why they do the draw so far out from the WC (and it used to be earlier than this). I'm sure there must be some sort of logistical reason? Anyone know what it is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    bilston wrote: »
    This is the thing about the rankings. It's great being top 4, but we could still end up with France/South Africa and Argentina in our pool. I've still no idea why they do the draw so far out from the WC (and it used to be earlier than this). I'm sure there must be some sort of logistical reason? Anyone know what it is?

    Definitely logistical, mainly for ticket sales.
    Draw in May, fixture decided around September, then the next 22 months selling tickets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 676 ✭✭✭turnikett1


    Is it possible to go to another World Cup without getting knocked out by Argentina for the 4th time? :(


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    bilston wrote: »
    This is the thing about the rankings. It's great being top 4, but we could still end up with France/South Africa and Argentina in our pool. I've still no idea why they do the draw so far out from the WC (and it used to be earlier than this). I'm sure there must be some sort of logistical reason? Anyone know what it is?

    Would still rather be top 4 than not, mind. Having France or South Africa in your group doesn't appear to be as daunting a task as it would've been in tournaments passed. Though France have improved a lot under Noves already...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    aloooof wrote: »
    Would still rather be top 4 than not, mind. Having France or South Africa in your group doesn't appear to be as daunting a task as it would've been in tournaments passed. Though France have improved a lot under Noves already...

    September 2019 is along time off. Remember how useless Australia were just 6 months prior to the last world cup.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Being top 4 means there is zero chance of having New Zealand, England or Australia in our group. I'll take that over having France or SA instead!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    September 2019 is along time off. Remember how useless Australia were just 6 months prior to the last world cup.

    Agreed, and it is hard to tell this far out, but even allowing for improvements from both France and SA, I'd still rather be in the position we are in.

    EDIT: Peregrine's post above sums it up pretty well for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,884 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    I guess Japan will go straight into Group A as there hosts and in fact if we get drawn in that group than we could play them on the first night of the tournament ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,616 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    If my aim was to win the world cup I think I'd rather be in a pool with New Zealand than be Tier 1 in a pool with France (for example). The form of the 2nd to 8th best teams now is still fairly meainginless. The only constant is that New Zealand are the best in the world, and the only way to guarantee avoiding them in the quarter or semi is to play them in the pool.

    In two out of the last three world cups, both finalists have come from the same pool.

    I also think the most important element of the draw for us is the potential quarter finalists. If we're in a pool with South Africa that will be annoying. But if we're going to play the winner / loser of the pool with Australia, Scotland and Japan I'd back us to beat Aus and Scotland and then semi final time.

    If on the other hand, we're in a pool with Scotland and Japan, but we're gonna play the winner loser of the New Zealand, South Africa or Argentina pool we might have a problem. The team that comes second in the pool of death is probably going to be an in form tier 1 nation and I guess the Bayesian part of me thinks theyre likely to be better than the other "losing" quarter finalists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    The draw is tomorrow week. What draw would people like to get?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    The draw is tomorrow week. What draw would people like to get?

    Anyone but Argentina from pot 3...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Band 1: New Zealand, England, Australia, Ireland
    Band 2: Scotland, France, South Africa, Wales
    Band 3: Argentina, Japan, Georgia, Italy
    Band 4: Americas 1, Europe 1, Oceania 1, Oceania 2
    Band 5: Africa 1, Americas 2, Europe/Oceania play-off, Repechage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    The draw is tomorrow week. What draw would people like to get?

    you have to think SA would be somewhat recovered come the rwc. So hopefully not them from pot 2.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,071 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    Wales and Argentina would be our nightmare


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    Probability is that we will fall at the q/f stage. That is assuming we avoid Argies, mighn't get out of the group in such an event unless we get Scots & Argies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,884 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Band 1: New Zealand, England, Australia, Ireland
    Band 2: Scotland, France, South Africa, Wales
    Band 3: Argentina, Japan, Georgia, Italy
    Band 4: Americas 1, Europe 1, Oceania 1, Oceania 2
    Band 5: Africa 1, Americas 2, Europe/Oceania play-off, Repechage

    Scotland, Georgia,America's 1 and Africa 1 please

    But we will prob get the hardest possible draw like Wales, Argentina


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Probability is that we will fall at the q/f stage. That is assuming we avoid Argies, mighn't get out of the group in such an event unless we get Scots & Argies.

    Why on earth would getting Argentina as a 3rd seed increase our ability of getting out of our group? Are you really thinking Argentina are preferable to Georgia, Japan or Italy?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Rightwing wrote: »
    Probability is that we will fall at the q/f stage. That is assuming we avoid Argies, mighn't get out of the group in such an event unless we get Scots & Argies.

    If we went by probabilities, nobody would watch any sport... Happily rugby matches aren't decided by probability.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Oceania 1&2 from Pot 4 would probably be good ones to avoid as well.
    Likely Samoa, and one of Tonga and Fiji.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Why on earth would getting Argentina as a 3rd seed increase our ability of getting out of our group? Are you really thinking Argentina are preferable to Georgia, Japan or Italy?

    I think he's saying that if we get Argentina from the 3rd pot, we mightn't get out of the group at all, unless we also had Scotland from pot 2. I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    aloooof wrote: »
    I think he's saying that if we get Argentina from the 3rd pot, we mightn't get out of the group at all, unless we also had Scotland from pot 2. I think.

    Ahhh I think you're right. Yes that would make more sense.

    We have the beating of France and Wales for sure and South Africa may be the weakest of all those teams unless they sort their issues out. It may quite a weak group by 2019.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Also from a non Irish pov, I think its wrong that they took the qualifying spot away from Asia just because Japan had qualified automatically.
    So now the rest of the Asian teams can only get in through the repechage spot.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    It is a bit off, but no question the Argies are the team to avoid for all. Japs could also be a handful from Pot 3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Also from a non Irish pov, I think its wrong that they took the qualifying spot away from Asia just because Japan had qualified automatically.
    So now the rest of the Asian teams can only get in through the repechage spot.

    Do you think so? I'm not really sure there's enough quality in the rest of Asia to justify two teams. Maybe I'm wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Scotland, Georgia,America's 1 and Africa 1 please

    But we will prob get the hardest possible draw like Wales, Argentina

    You're hilarious PTH. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Do you think so? I'm not really sure there's enough quality in the rest of Asia to justify two teams. Maybe I'm wrong.

    Fair point. I guess I was thinking a playoff spot, then into the repechage if they lose that. Sort of multiple bites at the cherry (like Europe2 and Oceania3 get) rather than just the one chance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Fair point. I guess I was thinking a playoff spot, then into the repechage if they lose that. Sort of multiple bites at the cherry (like Europe2 and Oceania3 get) rather than just the one chance.

    Yeah maybe a playoff with Americas 2 but I'm not sure if the likes of Korea would be competitive with Canada. I am quite ignorant about Asian rugby though.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,489 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    They should put Australia in the Asia group, like in football.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    They should put Australia in the Asia group, like in football.
    For what reason? Australia are in asia in soccer as its a more competive region. The opposites the case in rugby


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    For what reason? Australia are in asia in soccer as its a more competive region. The opposites the case in rugby

    Whoosh methinks. :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Do you think so? I'm not really sure there's enough quality in the rest of Asia to justify two teams. Maybe I'm wrong.

    I'm pretty sure you're right but it does kind of seem like fudging the rules to suit the situation and get the result they want. I don't even have a clue who the likely Asian qualifier would be though so its hard to argue it would be useful for them to be there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Ah the good old underdog mentality. Plenty of other threads where people are talking about how we are capable of beating any team and highlighting what we've accomplished recently. And yet here we are saying "Oh, I hope we don't get x." I doubt the other Tier 1 nations are...We're Tier 1 for a reason; maybe we should have a bit of belief.

    Regardless of who we get, it's consistency that we need to sort out. And if that doesn't happen we'll prob go out at QF stage again.

    🤪



  • Administrators Posts: 54,090 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's hard to make a call because it's hard to know how good those pot 2 teams will be in 2 years. If the tournament was tomorrow you'd want SA in pot 2 and Georgia or Japan.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,821 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Not long to go now.

    Pool draw being made at 9am Wednesday morning.

    http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/pooldraw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    My group

    Band 1: Ireland
    Band 2: Wales
    Band 3: Argentina
    Band 4: Whoever
    Band 5: Don't care

    Knock either Wales or Argentina out to get back at them for last 2 WC's

    What everyone else would like

    Band 1: Ireland
    Band 2: Scotland
    Band 3: Italy
    Band 4: Whoever
    Band 5: Don't care


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,458 ✭✭✭kuang1


    Give us Wales and Argentina fcuk it.

    Battle harden us for the QF.

    Also hope that the toughest group game we'll play is NOT the last group game we'll play like last time.

    #POCSextonPOM...SOB


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    kuang1 wrote: »
    Give us Wales and Argentina fcuk it.

    Battle harden us for the QF.

    Also hope that the toughest group game we'll play is NOT the last group game we'll play like last time.

    #POCSextonPOM...SOB

    #POCSextonPOM...SOBPayne? I certainly remember we were missing 5 players. Think it was Payne off the top of my head...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,884 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2017/0509/873803-rugby-woi/

    Ireland's ideal group
    Ireland
    Scotland
    Georgia
    Europe 1
    Repechage winner

    Joe Schmidt's worst nightmare
    Ireland
    Wales
    Argentina
    Oceania 1
    Play-off winner


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,265 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think the group that will provide our opponent in a potential quarter final is probably of more importance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,808 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I know this the latest they've done the draw for a World Cup in recent years, but can anyone give me a reason why it's been done almost 2 1/2 years before the tournament starts (better than 3 years I suppose) especially given 40% of the teams haven't even qualified yet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,508 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    bilston wrote: »
    I know this the latest they've done the draw for a World Cup in recent years, but can anyone give me a reason why it's been done almost 2 1/2 years before the tournament starts (better than 3 years I suppose) especially given 40% of the teams haven't even qualified yet!

    You need a decent run in to sell tickets.
    After todays draw they'll spend 4/5 months working on a schedule with the various partners (tv, hosts, sponsors, travel agencies) then announce the fixtures in September-ish. That'll give them ~22 months to sell tickets around the world, not exactly an easy task given they'll be trying to convince people to part with 5K+ to travel over.
    Even England 2015, whilst it was close to a sell-out, and a short trip for five of the participants, had to spend pretty much the full 2 year leadin on a big campaign to ensure that sell-out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,884 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Is the draw on any TV station


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭adelcrowsmel


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Is the draw on any TV station

    Not that I know of - thinks it's just live online


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