Japan 2019 World Cup draw

KBurke85

So New Zealand or South Africa in the Quarters so

thomond2006

England get a horror draw again!

Former Former

Does this mean winning the pool would see us face South Africa or New Zealand in the quarters?

FrKurtFahrt

Grand day now! Lovely start to a glorious day.

Tom.D.BJJ

Yes!!!! Great group

The Lost Sheep

Easiest pool by far. Just depends on how pools are linked and we should make a first semi ever.

sydthebeat

Excellent

gamma001

Does that mean we will play rsa most likely in the quarters?

swiwi_

The textbook definition of "luck of the Irish".

Jammy.

If you don't get out of your pool, you will only have yourselves to blame!

How many friggin times have NZ had Italy in their pool :rolleyes:

MattD

Jaysus even USA and Samoa/Tonga are not easy rides for England... Rough rough group.

dregin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UioCvLN-370

Kanrith

Great pool, but quarter options not great. Need to win the group anyway to avoid NZ.

corny

KBurke85 wrote: »

So New Zealand or South Africa in the Quarters so

Is that certain?

iDave

Good group but is route to final SA and NZ?

Chivito550

Any link to confirm winner of A plays RU of B?

KBurke85

Going on Past world cups its group a v b in quarters and c v d

Buer

A vs B and C vs D has been the way in prevoius tournaments. No reason to think it's any different this time around.

ArmaniJeanss

iDave wrote: »

Good group but is route to final SA and NZ?

It definitely won't be that anyway.
If we're against Group B in quarter finals then it'll be group C or D who provide the opposition in semi finals.

Kanrith

Maybe we will win the group and face Italy? :P

PTH2009

Could be another all blacks vs Australia final

We have a very good chance of topping our pool. Can't take Japan for granted and we get a taste of them next month

techdiver

Quarter Pairing based on favourites would be Ireland v South Africa with the winners playing Australia in the semi.

Quint2010

Yeah Winners/RU Group A V's RU/Winners Group B (if protocols for last WC followed). So basically we have to win our group

Buer

I'm not as cock-a-hoop as some with the draw. Yup, very handy pool and we should top it. If we don't, it's a complete disaster and we're on our way home in the QF by the hands of the Kiwis.

If we top it, as expected, we'll have a bloody tough game against SA in the QF which is arguably more difficult than either or our more recent QF ties. If we go out at the QF stage, the tournament will be seen as a failure given it will boil down to that one game.

The only big plus I can see is that hopefully we won't suffer the injuries that we did in 2015 through a massively physical encounter like we had against France.

irishbucsfan

If you're Conor O'Shea you might be pretty happy with that. You'd prefer someone like Scotland as a 2nd seed but they've beaten South Africa who are in turmoil at the moment.

It gives them a great target to work towards at least. The way the fixtures fall will be absolutely crucial for them.

Buer

Buer wrote: »

The only big plus I can see is that hopefully we won't suffer the injuries that we did in 2015 through a massively physical encounter like we had against France.

The other big plus is that if we win against SA someone gets Bigbok's house!

Former Former

Buer wrote: »

I'm not as cock-a-hoop as some with the draw. Yup, very handy pool and we should top it. If we don't, it's a complete disaster and we're on our way home in the QF by the hands of the Kiwis.

If we top it, as expected, we'll have a bloody tough game against SA in the QF which is arguably more difficult than either or our more recent QF ties. If we go out at the QF stage, the tournament will be seen as a failure given it will boil down to that one game.

The only big plus I can see is that hopefully we won't suffer the injuries that we did in 2015 through a massively physical encounter like we had against France.

I understand the concerns, and no one wants to get ahead of themselves, but that is quite literally the best draw we could have hoped for.

Swap us with any of the other Band 1 countries and it gets a lot worse.

Podge_irl

I'd rather face South Africa then NZ or Aus in the quarter final I think, but I'm not thrilled with that. The reality is that our group is the one everyone would have wanted to face in the Quarters.

wp_rathead

Guessing Romania will be the Euro1 team in our group?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Buer wrote: »

I'm not as cock-a-hoop as some with the draw. Yup, very handy pool and we should top it. If we don't, it's a complete disaster and we're on our way home in the QF by the hands of the Kiwis.

If we top it, as expected, we'll have a bloody tough game against SA in the QF which is arguably more difficult than either or our more recent QF ties. If we go out at the QF stage, the tournament will be seen as a failure given it will boil down to that one game.

Ah will you stop! Any QF we have to play is going to be a massive pain in the arse one way or the other. If we do win the group, SA are no worse a draw than most other draws we'd be likely to get apart from maybe Scotland who we can't get anyway. If we have to play NZ we have ourselves to blame.

Can't find a reason not to be delighted with that draw.

ClanofLams

Buer wrote: »

I'm not as cock-a-hoop as some with the draw. Yup, very handy pool and we should top it. If we don't, it's a complete disaster and we're on our way home in the QF by the hands of the Kiwis.

If we top it, as expected, we'll have a bloody tough game against SA in the QF which is arguably more difficult than either or our more recent QF ties. If we go out at the QF stage, the tournament will be seen as a failure given it will boil down to that one game.

The only big plus I can see is that hopefully we won't suffer the injuries that we did in 2015 through a massively physical encounter like we had against France.

If what I have read is accurate, Ireland's most likeliest opponents in any QF/SF are SA & Aus. Tough games and that but rwc knockout games aren't supposed to be easy.

So Ireland have Scotland & Japan I in the group and can't meet NZ/Eng until a final providing Ireland win their group, which they should do. That is about as good as it gets imo.

Riskymove

Buer wrote: »

I'm not as cock-a-hoop as some with the draw. Yup, very handy pool and we should top it. If we don't, it's a complete disaster and we're on our way home in the QF by the hands of the Kiwis.

really don't understand the attitude

a given that we'll lose to NZ - sure why bother going

irishbucsfan

Former Former wrote: »

I understand the concerns, and no one wants to get ahead of themselves, but that is quite literally the best draw we could have hoped for.

Swap us with any of the other Band 1 countries and it gets a lot worse.

Completely agreed.

If you are to define a "perfect draw" you ideally want the easiest seed 2 and seed 3 teams in your own group and the easiest seed 2 team beside you.

I think we probably got exactly that.

Buer

Former Former wrote: »

I understand the concerns, and no one wants to get ahead of themselves, but that is quite literally the best draw we could have hoped for.

Swap us with any of the other Band 1 countries and it gets a lot worse.

Yup, to get anywhere, you need to beat a good team. Or in this case, South Africa. So I can't really complain.

The weak pool is a double edged sword. We need to make sure we're not undercooked but, with some development work between now and then, we should have 23 guys going into the QF who are very fresh and ready for a big match.

SA could be a completely different beast in 2.5 years than they are now.

lawred2

so what's the Irish group?

irishbucsfan

Cecelia Gorgeous Table wrote: »

SA could be a completely different beast in 2.5 years than they are now.

They could be. Their next coaching appointment is going to be hugely important.

mfceiling

Cecelia Gorgeous Table wrote: »

SA could be a completely different beast in 2.5 years than they are now.

Yeah...they could be worse.

we lost to Scotland not so long ago :pac:

Podge_irl

wp_rathead wrote: »

Guessing Romania will be the Euro1 team in our group?

Aye.

irishbucsfan

Deleted User wrote: »

we lost to Scotland not so long ago :pac:

Scotland are no walkovers for us, but I don't think it's cocky to claim them as the ideal 2nd seed opponents. I think even Scottish fans would agree with that.

Just as I'd say most teams would have wanted us as 1st seeds.

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Scotland are no walkovers for us, but I don't think it's cocky to claim them as the ideal 2nd seed opponents. I think even Scottish fans would agree with that.

Just as I'd say most teams would have wanted us as 1st seeds.

Yeah looking at it on the basis of results and pedigree, Scotland are definitely 4th in that second tier and we're 4th in the first tier (albeit I don't think there is anything between us and Australia at the moment).

How South Africa progress over the next two years is going to be critical to us.

It's interesting.

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Scotland are no walkovers for us, but I don't think it's cocky to claim them as the ideal 2nd seed opponents. I think even Scottish fans would agree with that.

Just as I'd say most teams would have wanted us as 1st seeds.

Yeah but

phog

That's a very good pool to be and topping it should be very achievable.

Chivito550

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Completely agreed.

If you are to define a "perfect draw" you ideally want the easiest seed 2 and seed 3 teams in your own group and the easiest seed 2 team beside you.

I think we probably got exactly that.

Japan are not easier than Georgia and Italy.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah but

the perfect ten

This group should afford us to rotate the entire squad through the group matches and hopefully have close to a full strength fit team for the quarter-final.

wp_rathead

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Completely agreed.

If you are to define a "perfect draw" you ideally want the easiest seed 2 and seed 3 teams in your own group and the easiest seed 2 team beside you.

I think we probably got exactly that.

Georgia minus Gorgodze and Khisvilasci (sp?) are a lot less tame beast. Japan would beat them imo
Plus add in that Japan play that fast, wide rugby game that tends to exploit us at times
I'm really excited about the summer tour now

wp_rathead

wp_rathead wrote: »

Georgia minus Gorgodze and Khisvilasci (sp?) are a lot less tame beast. Japan would beat them imo
Plus add in that Japan play that fast, wide rugby game that tends to exploit us at times
I'm really excited about the summer tour now

Yeah that's all the talk in the office at the moment. This changes the context of the tour a decent bit this summer.

I wonder will this impact Joe's thinking on how to approach this tour now. Will definitely want one close to full strength team to really test their weaknesses and give us some ideas going into the World Cup.

Ciaran-Irl

What's the difference between Repechage qualification and playoff winner, does anyone know? Last world cup Uruguay was the repechage winning team. Who was the playoff winner? Is it Oceania 3 Vs Europe 2 or something?

wp_rathead

Ciaran-Irl wrote: »

What's the difference between Repechage qualification and playoff winner, does anyone know? Last world cup Uruguay was the repechage winning team. Who was the playoff winner? Is it Oceania 3 Vs Europe 2 or something?